OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) thread

[True Blue]

Once more people get tested with more kits going to available its going to shoot up. The mortality rate will drop substantially.

Of course the numbers are going to shoot up. That doesn’t chNge the fact that the mortality rate for 50 & under is .4%

 

[Anthony5967]

No GDT for today?

 

[True Blue]

why is there such a massive amount of fear, panic and media coverage with the covid 19 virus compared to H1N1. ( swine flu ) from 10 years ago?

Honestly? 1) this is different 2) social media 3) the desire by virtually all media to blow things up in their effort to make Trump look bad (and the last part has nothing to do with being pro or anti Trump)

 

[DFF]

Of course the numbers are going to shoot up. That doesn’t chNge the fact that the mortality rate for 50 & under is .4%

Yes it does..I bet more people walking around with the virus without knowing now and they are not factoring into the calculation

 

[DFF]

Honestly? 1) this is different 2) social media 3) the desire by virtually all media to blow things up in their effort to make Trump look bad (and the last part has nothing to do with being pro or anti Trump)

They want to make him look bad because they are mostly anti Trump?

 

[Ola]

That's an interesting question. I remember that here in Finland people were starting to worry/panic much like now with covid-19, especially with H1N1 being dangerous for kids. But then there was a vaccine and that was that. Many here were still in the "it's just a flu, nothing to worry about" phase when the vaccine came out. With covid-19 we seem to have passed that already.

Maybe the difference in reaction is due to how fast covid-19 has spread to multiple nations and how it has overwhelmed healthcare systems in places like Italy? I think your question might be the basis of multiple books and scientific articles in the coming years.

Remember the Last Global Pandemic? Probably Not

I found this, and it seems like the Covid-19 simply is much more dangerous (about 35x, but that number could definitely be high, but still.

 

[True Blue]

Yes it does..I bet more people walking around with the virus without knowing now and they are not factoring into the calculation

Of course. Again, not expecting the numbers to shoot up when nation wide testing starts is silly

 

[AntNYR]

Honestly? 1) this is different 2) social media 3) the desire by virtually all media to blow things up in their effort to make Trump look bad (and the last part has nothing to do with being pro or anti Trump)

I doubt there would be a massive difference no matter who the US president was. There's only so much people outside of US care about your president, yet the fear, panic and media coverage on covid-19 at least in Finland / europe seems quite similar to US. We have our own politicians to mock and blame after all.

 

[True Blue]

They want to make him look bad because they are mostly anti Trump?

Whether I am or am not a “Trump guy” isn’t for this. But as observing impartially, the answer is “yes”. Most of the media is still interested in reversing 2016. So any chance that they get to add to that, unfortunately that includes the virus, they will not stop at.

One of the guys that works with me, his brother writes for the Times. Essentially told that when it comes to Trunp, sources need not be verified and the print has to be as negative as possible. Woman I know works for CNN, essentially the same thing.

Anyway, this is not pro or anti-Trump. This is however the way that I perceive the media. And the fact that I believe that there is a self serving interest in making the Unites States seem like Italy.

 

[Synergy27]

Here’s a good, long read for anyone who still has their head in the sand:

 

[Gardner McKay]

Honest question here...... can anybody answer this?

why is there such a massive amount of fear, panic and media coverage with the covid 19 virus compared to H1N1. ( swine flu ) from 10 years ago?

H1N1 infected 60-80 million Americans. Killing 15- 20, 000 and sending 300,000+ to the hospital. Why was there no mass hysteria then? What the hell makes this coronavirus any more serious than that? It just doesn’t make sense to me, I mean I have my theories, but it just doesn’t make sense.

How easy it is to spread and the mortality rate. I’m pretty hungover so my math may be fuzzy but if the number of Americans that had swine flu contracted COVID-19, we would be looking at near 750k deaths, and that’s not including an increased mortality rate which would be highly likely as access to care becomes a legitimate scarcity. Just a guess but it would probably have been 2-3 million.

 

[True Blue]

We have our own politicians to mock and blame after all.

Of course. Right on all counts. The amount of yellow journalism that lives today is pretty crazy. I mean, and speaking for US only, ideology aside, there’s no difference between Fox News and MSNBC & CNN.

The hysteria that you are seeing has a lot to do with a media that is not the least bit interested in being fair and impartial

 

[FOD]

Of course the numbers are going to shoot up. That doesn’t chNge the fact that the mortality rate for 50 & under is .4%

If that is accurate it’s still 4 times higher than the overall death rate for the flu. Not to mention the elderly or those with underlying conditions they may have infected where the death rate is much higher.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Latest numbers from CDC concerning 2019-2020 flu season in US:

36 million cases
370,000 people hospitalized
22,000 deaths

Media didn't seem to care much. No panic, no run on essentials in grocery stores, no states of emergency, no businesses or schools closed, no catastrophic economic impacts...

 

[NYSPORTS]

Latest numbers from CDC concerning 2019-2020 flu season in US:

36 million cases
370,000 people hospitalized
22,000 deaths

Media didn't seem to care much. No panic, no run on essentials in grocery stores, no states of emergency, no businesses or schools closed, no catastrophic economic impacts...

respectfully, we know what the Flu is. We don’t have our arms around this virus.

Flu - here is a vaccine (hit or miss), take Tamiflu, take mucinex and here is an anti-biotic in case bacteria forms in your lungs. Drink liquids, gets sleep and ride it out

Corona - no vaccine, no tamiflu, mucinex doesn’t work and I don’t believe they get bacteria in lungs so anti-biotic is worthless. Drink liquids, get sleep and ride it out is all we have

 

[Doctyl]

Latest numbers from CDC concerning 2019-2020 flu season in US:

36 million cases
370,000 people hospitalized
22,000 deaths

Media didn't seem to care much. No panic, no run on essentials in grocery stores, no states of emergency, no businesses or schools closed, no catastrophic economic impacts...

 

[True Blue]

If that is accurate it’s still 4 times higher than the overall death rate for the flu. Not to mention the elderly or those with underlying conditions they may have infected where the death rate is much higher.

I am not saying that’s not high for elderly and those with respiratory issues. I am just quoting stats for what is. For 50 & under the mortality rate is the same from virus as it is for regular mortality rate for those that are 45-54

 

[PuckLuck3043]

 

[noupf]

while this is ok to view when comparing to the seasonal flu ( bc I know a lot of people are drawing parallels of covid 19 to the flu ) ......how about comparing to H1N1 from 10 years ago. H1N1 was highly contagious and spreadable, no cure at the time, millions infected, tens of thousands died, hundred of thousands hospitalized yet no mass media hype and public panic.....

 

[leetch99]

Not sure if this was posted already...it is a start at least . Canadian research team isolates novel coronavirus behind COVID-19

 

[duhmetreE]

This is not accurate.

The 'most accurate' would be South Korea since they went to the private sector to ramp up test production. If EVERYONE was tested, the numbers would plummet.

This is hysteria and panic

 

[Irishguy42]

If EVERYONE was tested, the numbers would plummet.

Yes, but unfortunately the US is lead by a moron who won't do anything useful, so the panic is kinda justified.

The medical situation right now is A LOT bleaker because of unfulfilled needs for hospitals and whatnot.

 

[Doctyl]

while this is ok to view when comparing to the seasonal flu ( bc I know a lot of people are drawing parallels of covid 19 to the flu ) ......how about comparing to H1N1 from 10 years ago. H1N1 was highly contagious and spreadable, no cure at the time, millions infected, tens of thousands died, hundred of thousands hospitalized yet no mass media hype and public panic.....

H1N1 did get media hype, not quite to this extent but it absolutely did. H1N1 infected probably a quarter of the global population, but only had a mortality rate around .02.

Over the 2 years from 2008-2010 in total H1N1 killed ~18,000 by the end of the pandemic.

Since November, we are already over 5,500 deaths from COVID-19’s first case in China.


We also know what the flu is. H1N1 was responsible for the 1918 spanish flu. We had a much better response to it 90 years later. COVID-19 is closely related to one of the scariest viruses we’ve ever seen, and while it doesn’t act as deadly as SARS it still has no treatment and no vaccine. There is no real reason to believe this will get better with the summer months. Quarantine is the only effective measure we have against the spread of the family of coronaviruses.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yes, but unfortunately the US is lead by a moron who won't do anything useful, so the panic is kinda justified.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

H1N1 did get media hype, not quite to this extent but it absolutely did. H1N1 infected probably a quarter of the global population, but only had a mortality rate around .02.

Over the 2 years from 2008-2010 in total H1N1 killed ~18,000 by the end of the pandemic.

Since November, we are already over 5,500 deaths from COVID-19’s first case in China.


We also know what the flu is. H1N1 was responsible for the 1918 spanish flu. We had a much better response to it 90 years later. COVID-19 is closely related to one of the scariest viruses we’ve ever seen, and while it doesn’t act as deadly as SARS it still has no treatment and no vaccine. There is no real reason to believe this will get better with the summer months. Quarantine is the only effective measure we have against the spread of the family of coronaviruses.

We don’t now the real death rate yet, calm down and stop spreading your own opinion as facts.