OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part VII - READ THE OP

[NYSPORTS]

I've heard experts talk about how the seasonal flu has been non existent because of masking and social distancing, so why is Covid running rampant? Both virus' and both transmitted in the same manner.

well, if people were taking Flu tests like Covid tests we would probably find quite a few with the asymptomatic Flu virus. Difference is our bodies are more accustomed to fighting the flu while washing our hands, using hand sanitizer and being more cognizant not to touch our faces is more prevalent.

 

[Irishguy42]

Two weeks is a bit too short logistically speaking, considering the size of the population, but yes if everyone was wearing masks and vaxxed, it would get this over and done with after a month. Vaccines/masks have been proven to be vastly safe and effective, and it's not even a hassle for someone's daily life. Vaccines are widely available now, and getting the correct rating masks is not difficult/expensive.

The issue is that there is still a large enough population against the vaccines/masking that doing a mass-management to get rid of the virus is difficult to do.

Schwarzenegger had it right the other day, describing that population...

 

[NYSPORTS]

Is it strange that people who don’t trust the researchers and/or the medicos and/or the vaccine still run on down to hospitals for help when they get the virus?

lol, many people dismiss God too until they experienced pain. Suddenly they start praying.

 

[Do you want ants]

Two weeks is a bit too short logistically speaking, considering the size of the population, but yes if everyone was wearing masks and vaxxed, it would get this over and done with after a month. Vaccines/masks have been proven to be vastly safe and effective, and it's not even a hassle for someone's daily life. Vaccines are widely available now, and getting the correct rating masks is not difficult/expensive.

The issue is that there is still a large enough population that doing a mass-management to get rid of the virus is difficult to do.

Schwarzenegger had it right the other day, describing that population...

While I agree this would be the best way to go. It’d help get our medical care situation in order. The problem is even if we did it as a country, we’d still be dealing with it to some degree. We’re never going to completely shutdown our borders and ban international travel both ways. We’ll still have to deal with variants. So while I agree getting vaccinated and wearing masks is the best course of action currently. It’s not realistic to think we’ll be done with this even if we do.

 

[Leonardo87]

Been dealing with bad sinusitis and rhinitis for over a month. Confirmed with the specialist on Thursday. People think I have Covid when I’m out and about, lol. Air quality isn’t helping.

 

[will1066]

Well, that is an entirely different topic. I'm sure at some level, you care about other people, but probably not for the reasons you tell yourself.
BTW, the vaxxed can contract and spread Covid, so its not just the unvaxxed. Furthermore, many of the unvaxxed have had Covid and there is evidence that natural immunity is more durable than the vaccine.
Worrying is a pointless activity.

The vaxxed are spreading it because of mutations that the unvaxxed allowed to happen, though im sure it's already been pointed out.

Natural immunity. Sure. For the people who have luckily survived.

 

[will1066]

I've heard complaints of facism from everyone over the last 5 years. Spare me. I'm firmly 10000% pro-vax and anti-mask mandate.

FDA approval is a big step. It appears as if you just want to find reasons to whine and whine at specific groups of people.

FDA approval means little to those who've already dug in their heels. The agency has been politicized beyond point of return and enough distrust has been sowed.

 

[will1066]

I don’t think anyone should be forced to get vaccinated. But they should be restricted and follow the mandates like frequent testing, social distance and wearing masks and etc.

Those that are fully vaccinated should be able to have the freedoms from such mandates like not having to wear a mask or able to travel with no restrictions.

I have no issues showing proof of being vaccinated. Have the app on my phone and the card in my wallet.

I believe this will be widespread and the new normal. I have no problem spending an extra 2 seconds showing proof to get in somewhere. If you don't want to get vaxxed, that's fine. When you go out into the public and interact with society to access public resources, then you follow the rules. What I can't accept is those who feel they get the same benefits like going mask less.

 

[eco's bones]

I kind of remember a Czech Republic doctor coming onto the Rangers board here around March of 2020 just about when everything hit here and the lockdowns were just starting. He’d just come from a big conference that had been held in his hospital. A part of what they told him and others at that conference is that the SARS virus (2003?) had similarities to the covid 19 virus and that before the SARS virus had petered out researchers all over the world had been burning the midnight oil to create vaccine(s) to combat that virus and a lot of that research had been shared around but then shelved after the SARS virus was no longer a viable thing but they already had starting points to work from.

In that respect the quickness in which these vaccines were developed is a lot more explainable.

 

[The S5]

well, if people were taking Flu tests like Covid tests we would probably find quite a few with the asymptomatic Flu virus. Difference is our bodies are more accustomed to fighting the flu while washing our hands, using hand sanitizer and being more cognizant not to touch our faces is more prevalent.

That doesn't nearly account for the discrepancy though.
IMO, and its an opinion, masks that the majority of people wear don't work. They wear them improperly, don't clean them enough and are not anywhere near n95. Plus, if we are talking about children in school, the problem is even worse. They are constantly touching their face and mask.

 

[The S5]

The vaxxed are spreading it because of mutations that the unvaxxed allowed to happen, though im sure it's already been pointed out.

Natural immunity. Sure. For the people who have luckily survived.

You do realize that well over 99% of people who get covid survive. I'm sure even the current death numbers are affected with death while having covid. Of course, any death is tragic

 

[eco's bones]

You do realize that well over 99% of people who get covid survive. I'm sure even the current death numbers are affected with death while having covid. Of course, any death is tragic

if you’re going by confirmed cases you’re wrong. There have been 36+ million confirmed cases in the United States and 616,000+ confirmed deaths. That’s about 1.6/1.7 % of the confirmed.

 

[will1066]

You do realize that well over 99% of people who get covid survive. I'm sure even the current death numbers are affected with death while having covid. Of course, any death is tragic

You can throw any sample size that suits your taste on the wall and make it stick. But your missing the point no matter what that sample size is. Because it can be lower. Because not everything that can be done is being done.

Someone can choose not to get vaccinated for whatever reason. Those who choose not to as well as not masking up on the account of personal freedom are riding on the backs of those who have sacrificed themselves doing masks and vaccinations for themselves, the people they care about, and the greater good. That's selfishness. Better you than me. When things return to normal, you're the schmucks who did all the things yet I didn't need to do a thing and am still reaping the benefits. Amirite?

Ever heard of a team that won a Cup that had players who wanted to do play their own way? Those who wanted to do it that way would've been scratched. That is, moved aside. Too bad we just can't go ahead and scratch those people from continuing to go out and drag things down.

 

[The S5]

if you’re going by confirmed cases you’re wrong. There have been 36+ million confirmed cases in the United States and 616,000+ confirmed deaths. That’s about 1.6/1.7 % of the confirmed.

And there have been millions of cases where the person had mild symptoms, not requiring a visit to their doctor. Add to that the vast majority of deaths have been in the over 65 age group, most with pre existing conditions.
Not denying that Covid sucks, but I am trying to retain perspective.

 

[The S5]

You can throw any sample size that suits your taste on the wall and make it stick. But your missing the point no matter what that sample size is. Because it can be lower. Because not everything that can be done is being done.

Someone can choose not to get vaccinated for whatever reason. Those who choose not to as well as not masking up on the account of personal freedom are riding on the backs of those who have sacrificed themselves doing masks and vaccinations for themselves, the people they care about, and the greater good. That's selfishness. Better you than me. When things return to normal, you're the schmucks who did all the things yet I didn't need to do a thing and am still reaping the benefits. Amirite?

Ever heard of a team that won a Cup that had players who wanted to do play their own way? Those who wanted to do it that way would've been scratched. That is, moved aside. Too bad we just can't go ahead and scratch those people from continuing to go out and drag things down.

Well I'm glad someone finally said it. You motivation for others to get the vax is primarily based on the fact that you got it, so now they have to as well.
Also, the team analogy doesn't work.

 

[will1066]

Well I'm glad someone finally said it. You motivation for others to get the vax is primarily based on the fact that you got it, so now they have to as well.
Also, the team analogy doesn't work.

Because it takes cooperation. Because it's for the greater good of society. Not about the individual.

 

[Peltz]

And there have been millions of cases where the person had mild symptoms, not requiring a visit to their doctor. Add to that the vast majority of deaths have been in the over 65 age group, most with pre existing conditions.
Not denying that Covid sucks, but I am trying to retain perspective.

You have no perspective on the subject though. These things are not the issue. Overrun hospitals are. The likely future failure of vaccines if the virus is allowed to persist is. The fact that we cannot treat even COVID 19 patients if things continue at this rate is.

My wife watched as perfectly healthy people in their 30s died from COVID-19 before a vaccine was available.

Quite frankly, unless you’re living the life of actually treating patients, how could you possibly claim to have any accurate perspective on this? You can’t.

That’s why we should be listening to those that DO have this perspective. This is literally their life for 40 to 80 hours per week. Society is making it far too burdensome on them. They aren’t magicians and have limits. How many people do they need to intubate? Entire ICUs are taken over by this virus. What are you not getting about that?

your perspective seems to be limited to yourself and your own personal risk. But even that is short sighted. Because if you find out your sick or are in an emergency in an area overrun, it will be your personal problem when a hospital can’t treat you. Even if it’s not COVID 19 that you’re afflicted with.

 

[bl02]

Has anyone tried the N-95 masks? are they one size fits all? Are they ok if one has to wear them 6-10 hours with no breaks?
I've been using surgical masks from the beginning and sometimes changing them 2-3 times a day depending on what i'm doing, how much i'm perspiring, etc. Are N-95's a little more durable (i.e better quality?).

 

[eco's bones]

Has anyone tried the N-95 masks? are they one size fits all? Are they ok if one has to wear them 6-10 hours with no breaks?
I've been using surgical masks from the beginning and sometimes changing them 2-3 times a day depending on what i'm doing, how much i'm perspiring, etc. Are N-95's a little more durable (i.e better quality?).

i have an N-95. A firefighter friend of mine gave it to me after he learned I had myeloma. They’re very effective but I don’t use it very often but I haven’t been in a store or a place of business since November. I go to doctors, rehab and hospitals. I don’t put myself in situations where just anybody can be around me. My time is organized on getting better and I’ve been making good progress at that. It’s not just my time and effort though—my wife and kids, the doctors, nurses etc. have invested their time and energy in my getting better too and I appreciate that and I feel like I’m being given another shot at life so I don’t want to f*** that up.

But back to the N-95. It’s very effective but not nearly as nice as wearing just a cloth mask. It pretty much shuts everything out though…….and if I felt I needed it that’s an excellent way to go and it might take a little time but you’d get use to it if you had too.

 

[The S5]

You have no perspective on the subject though. These things are not the issue. Overrun hospitals are. The likely future failure of vaccines if the virus is allowed to persist is. The fact that we cannot treat even COVID 19 patients if things continue at this rate is.

My wife watched as perfectly healthy people in their 30s died from COVID-19 before a vaccine was available.

Quite frankly, unless you’re living the life of actually treating patients, how could you possibly claim to have any accurate perspective on this? You can’t.

That’s why we should be listening to those that DO have this perspective. This is literally their life for 40 to 80 hours per week. Society is making it far too burdensome on them. They aren’t magicians and have limits. How many people do they need to intubate? Entire ICUs are taken over by this virus. What are you not getting about that?

your perspective seems to be limited to yourself and your own personal risk. But even that is short sighted. Because if you find out your sick or are in an emergency in an area overrun, it will be your personal problem when a hospital can’t treat you. Even if it’s not COVID 19 that you’re afflicted with.

I personally know nurses and docs that tell varying stories of the pre vaccine covid atmosphere. One of my friends said that their hospital was not anywhere close to capacity. All stories, including yours, are anecdotal. The actual death numbers tell the story. Yes, way too many died, many because they were not being treated properly. Many because of pre existing conditions that made them more susceptible to this virus.

Again, I think we should all get the vax, but I also think that this virus is also being used for political gain and that's sickening. I just don't put anything past these cretins in Washington.

 

[bl02]

i have an N-95. A firefighter friend of mine gave it to me after he learned I had myeloma. They’re very effective but I don’t use it very often but I haven’t been in a store or a place of business since November. I go to doctors, rehab and hospitals. I don’t put myself in situations where just anybody can be around me. My time is organized on getting better and I’ve been making good progress at that. It’s not just my time and effort though—my wife and kids, the doctors, nurses etc. have invested their time and energy in my getting better too and I appreciate that and I feel like I’m being given another shot at life so I don’t want to f*** that up.

But back to the N-95. It’s very effective but not nearly as nice as wearing just a cloth mask. It pretty much shuts everything out though…….and if I felt I needed it that’s an excellent way to go and it might take a little time but you’d get use to it if you had too.

Thanks and all the best with your health.
I will definitely give them a shot. I used a cloth mask (Rangers of course lol) and unless they are being cleaned frequently they get pretty nasty. In fact I hope whoever wears cloth masks clean them frequently. I think the surgical masks are much better of course if you don't use it one too many times before tossing it. Probably should be changed every single day if not more depending on level of use.

 

[Peltz]

I personally know nurses and docs that tell varying stories of the pre vaccine covid atmosphere. One of my friends said that their hospital was not anywhere close to capacity. All stories, including yours, are anecdotal. The actual death numbers tell the story. Yes, way too many died, many because they were not being treated properly. Many because of pre existing conditions that made them more susceptible to this virus.

Again, I think we should all get the vax, but I also think that this virus is also being used for political gain and that's sickening. I just don't put anything past these cretins in Washington.

Wtf. It’s not an anecdote to say that many areas the tri state region and throughout the country ran out of ICU beds. Are you f***ing serious right now?

I don’t care about who you vote for. This isn’t a political issue. You can vote republican but still think everyone should get the vaccine because it’s the truth. Objectively.

Even Mitch Mconnel is encouraging people to get it now. Mitch.

!

 

[The S5]

Wtf. It’s not an anecdote to say that many areas the tri state region and throughout the country ran out of ICU beds. Are you f***ing serious right now?

I don’t care about who you vote for. This isn’t a political issue. You can vote republican but still think everyone should get the vaccine because it’s the truth. Objectively.

Even Mitch Mconnel is encouraging people to get it now. Mitch.

!

If you look at my posts, I said that we should all get the vax.
Let's be clear though, even in NYC, they were never in danger of running out of beds. There were overflow facilities that were barely used.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I personally know nurses and docs that tell varying stories of the pre vaccine covid atmosphere. One of my friends said that their hospital was not anywhere close to capacity. All stories, including yours, are anecdotal. The actual death numbers tell the story. Yes, way too many died, many because they were not being treated properly. Many because of pre existing conditions that made them more susceptible to this virus.

Again, I think we should all get the vax, but I also think that this virus is also being used for political gain and that's sickening. I just don't put anything past these cretins in Washington.

lot of truth in this post. Imo though, overrun and capacity are two different things. When it hit NY like a bomb the staff was overcapacity in urgent patient care. Sure there were beds, but the influx of patients was so furious many couldn’t keep up. Agree though, they didn’t exceed capacity in beds. Sadly, many lives may have been saved had we known simply sitting a patient upright rather than flat on their backs.

Let’s hope we don’t have to stress the system again.

 

[Irishguy42]

When the virus first hit the country HARD, my wife was in her final few months of med school and basically got told to stay home just so the attendings/residents/nurses could work the pandemic, as they had no time to train students who were still doing rotations pre-matching.

Her father, who was working in the ED at a hospital near where we lived, had to stop by our apartment to pick up our surplus mask storage (since we were both in lockdown) because every doctor at his hospital (in a main Queens hospital, mind you), had to FREAKIN' AUTOCLAVE their masks daily, and their beds were always backlogged.

I hope NYC never reaches that point again, and I know that the NYC threshold is far above what other states would even dream of, yet other states are beyond their thresholds as it is. Beds were indeed backlogged, like there are now. Fortunately, the NYC area does seem on the right track with vaccinations/masking, but with the likes of Nassau/Suffolk counties and the travelers from NJ to the beaches (side note: why are these people going to south shore beaches anyway when they literally have the entire Jersey Shore right down the parkway to begin with...), who knows...