OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part VII - READ THE OP

[Gardner McKay]

1. No it's not. We could be at herd immunity and new variants wouldn't be popping up every couple of months.
2. Yes, we can blame anyone who doesn't take basic precautions.
3. If you honestly think FDA approval will persuade people who think that mask mandates are indicative of fascism, I've got a bridge to sell you.

I've heard complaints of facism from everyone over the last 5 years. Spare me. I'm firmly 10000% pro-vax and anti-mask mandate.

FDA approval is a big step. It appears as if you just want to find reasons to whine and whine at specific groups of people.

 

[Trxjw]

Are you vaxxed? Good, me too, so, no worries. I don't worry about the non-vaxxed. The mortality rate of the vaccinated is extremely low, so, what are you so worried about?

I worry about people who can't get the vaccine contracting it from someone who refused to get it. I worry about non-vaccinated people allowing the virus mutate to a point that the current vaccines are no longer effective. I worry about governments being forced to shut things down again because we're acquiescing to stupid people and suddenly people are without work once again. I worry about infected people tracking the virus to countries where there aren't mass vaccinations underway.

Caring about the safety of others is an actual thing for some of us.

 

[Trxjw]

The fact that you're using anecdotes as your evidence only further solidifies my arguement.

You're not concerned that he knows a doctor that had to look something up one time? Shame on you.

 

[Peltz]

Thanks Dr. Fauci.

What is even your goal here? To discuss facts and have a discussion or to poorly attempt to poke holes in established science and then make ad hominem attacks against other members when those attempts fail?

This is why getting a vaccine or wearing a mask should not be considered a “personal choice”:

Mississippi's Hospital System Could Collapse Within 10 Days Under COVID's Strain

It’s not just a COVID-19 issue. All other things happening in these hospitals are affected dramatically by the resources taken up to treat COVID-9 at such high numbers.

A pandemic is quite literally a global health issue for so many reasons other than just “if I get COVID-19, that’s my choice to make.” It’s not just about your personal exposure and chances of survival.

Not getting a vaccine and wearing a mask is selfish and shortsighted on so many levels right now.

 

[Peltz]

COVID-19, with massive shutdowns, large-scale mask wearing, and countless other precautions, killed more 10x people in the US than the seasonal flu in it's worst year over the last 10. There's no comparison to draw there either.

Health/social complications from kids wearing masks? Really? This is where we're at now? Just more mental gymnastics to avoid the perils of basic human decency.

I wish I could like this post twice lol. Well said.

Basic human decency. And maybe a modicum of critical thinking that we are all capable of.

That’s all we are asking for. It’s such a small hurdle to pass it’s blowing my mind that we still aren’t there yet. Just unfathomable. This is one of the easiest threats for humanity to fight off, and we are incapable of doing so despite knowing and outlining the precise strategy for getting it done in the simplest way possible.

 

[Peltz]

I worry about people who can't get the vaccine contracting it from someone who refused to get it. I worry about non-vaccinated people allowing the virus mutate to a point that the current vaccines are no longer effective. I worry about governments being forced to shut things down again because we're acquiescing to stupid people and suddenly people are without work once again. I worry about infected people tracking the virus to countries where there aren't mass vaccinations underway.

Caring about the safety of others is an actual thing for some of us.

Don’t forget about being able to access medical care at facilities that aren’t overrun by COVID-19 patients.

 

[sbjnyc]

I'd understand the hesitancy much more if so many people weren't being hypocritical about it. How many people don't want to take the vaccine until it's gone through more testing but were all in on hydroxychloroquine?

 

[clmetsfan]

I've heard complaints of facism from everyone over the last 5 years. Spare me. I'm firmly 10000% pro-vax and anti-mask mandate.

FDA approval is a big step. It appears as if you just want to find reasons to whine and whine at specific groups of people.

LOL

Yes, how immature of me to "whine and whine" because our hospitals are still overrun, kids are still at risk, immunocompromised people are being put in unnecessary danger, and new variants -- some of which could eventually be vaccine-resistant -- continue to emerge as we speak because "specific groups of people" won't take basic precautions to put an end to this madness.

Are you f---ing serious with this? See Trxjw's post above for why I continue to whine about this.

 

[nyr2k2]

The people who refuse to get the vaccine really infuriate me. However, I try to remember it's not a monolithic group. The people that have dug their heels in due to overtly political reasons, reasons to do with political influence--who would be getting a shot if someone they agreed with politically was advocating for it? f*** those people with a big, nasty tree branch.

I then remind myself there are other variables with the vaccine resistance as well. Anecdotally, People of Color have been skeptical of vaccinations (for obvious and f***ing horrifying historical reasons, among others), and I see it firsthand. I sent out a mandatory email to my organization requiring that everyone disclose their vaccination status; of the 420 or so that have currently responded, a hair under 400 are vaccinated or fully vaccinated. Of the 20-ish that aren't almost all indicated that they would not be getting a vaccine. Of this group, all but two were PoC--and the two that weren't, both said they wanted a vaccine but had serious health issues preventing it.

So, that's one thing I try to keep in mind--there are a large number of people who refuse to get a vaccine for idiotic reasons, but then there's also a significant amount of people who are refusing based on completely different objections/concerns (which, we can say are not legitimate, but we also have to acknowledge those fears are ingrained in certain cultures for legitimate reasons).

EDIT: To clarify, I understand there are people refusing the vaccine who a) aren't political crazies and b) aren't PoC who grew up leery of vaccines and medical professionals in general. There are plenty of other reason people refuse, many of which are valid, and many of which are f***ing dumb.

 

[Gardner McKay]

LOL

Yes, how immature of me to "whine and whine" because our hospitals are still overrun, kids are still at risk, immunocompromised people are being put in unnecessary danger, and new variants -- some of which could eventually be vaccine-resistant -- continue to emerge as we speak because "specific groups of people" won't take basic precautions to put an end to this madness.

Are you f---ing serious with this? See Trxjw's post above for why I continue to whine about this.

You are playing up faux outrage over concern for someone's "neighbor". Spare me. I watched my father in-law spend over a month on a vent. I watched as he was given less than 1% to live after having pneumonia while on the vent. I'm watching as my wife's cousin, a previously healthy 30 year old, is still on oxygen after battling covid for her 4th week. I've watched my sister, one of the strongest women I know, suffer a complete mental and physical break down because 8 months after covid her parosmia still has not gone away and there is no food or beverage that doesn't taste like rotting meat. I've watched the death and destruction in my own circle of friends and family.

I'm not in the position to make a judgement that one set of beliefs are more important than others when it comes to vaccine refusal. Do I think true anti-vaxxers are some of the dumbest people on the planet. Sure do. But there is a difference between an anti-vaxxer and a skeptic and I think more people fall into the latter category than we would believe. Am I in favor of requiring proof of vaccination to attend concerts, sporting events, flying, etc. I sure am. Do I support employers that want to require the vaccine? Yep. I told my parents if you don't get the vaccine then you are cut off from your grand kids.

From a societal, legal and ethical standpoint, a fully FDA approved vaccine makes all of the above a lot easier to implement. The fact that you cannot comprehend the significance of that means I really have nothing else to discuss with you except what is below...

Your posts are nothing more than dog whistles for blaming a specific group of people when there is a wide range of people across the belief spectrum that refuse the vaccine. And I could not have been more clear about not making this political.

 

[Leonardo87]

I don’t think anyone should be forced to get vaccinated. But they should be restricted and follow the mandates like frequent testing, social distance and wearing masks and etc.

Those that are fully vaccinated should be able to have the freedoms from such mandates like not having to wear a mask or able to travel with no restrictions.

I have no issues showing proof of being vaccinated. Have the app on my phone and the card in my wallet.

 

[The S5]

The fact that you're using anecdotes as your evidence only further solidifies my arguement.

Whatever makes you feel better. I'm good.

 

[The S5]

I worry about people who can't get the vaccine contracting it from someone who refused to get it. I worry about non-vaccinated people allowing the virus mutate to a point that the current vaccines are no longer effective. I worry about governments being forced to shut things down again because we're acquiescing to stupid people and suddenly people are without work once again. I worry about infected people tracking the virus to countries where there aren't mass vaccinations underway.

Caring about the safety of others is an actual thing for some of us.

Well, that is an entirely different topic. I'm sure at some level, you care about other people, but probably not for the reasons you tell yourself.
BTW, the vaxxed can contract and spread Covid, so its not just the unvaxxed. Furthermore, many of the unvaxxed have had Covid and there is evidence that natural immunity is more durable than the vaccine.
Worrying is a pointless activity.

 

[eco's bones]

Personally I think Biden for one needs to step up more. He is not likely going to change some minds but there are still large numbers of people on the fence many of whom are ending up in hospitals or morgues too because they haven't found the time for one reason or another or they're waiting to see how it affects or waiting for FDA approval. There's a bigger role that Biden could play IMO. He's not made a national address that I know of since his inauguration. There also could be more public service announcements. The door to door stuff is not a bad idea either.

 

[eco's bones]

Well, that is an entirely different topic. I'm sure at some level, you care about other people, but probably not for the reasons you tell yourself.
BTW, the vaxxed can contract and spread Covid, so its not just the unvaxxed. Furthermore, many of the unvaxxed have had Covid and there is evidence that natural immunity is more durable than the vaccine.
Worrying is a pointless activity.

The vaccinated who get the Delta variant very rarely end up in the hospital or at the cemetery. The unvaccinated often do. As someone who's spent 25 days in the hospital this year I can tell you that is not a lot of fun. T---i----m---e i---n a h---o---s---p---i---t---a---l m---o---v---e---s v---e---r---y s---l---0---w---l---y. The food isn't great either that's if you'll be able to stomach eating at all. If in the area you live there is a major outbreak don't expect the hospital to allow you any visitors either. You'll likely be there on your own. If you end up on a breathing machine that's even more fun. Fighting for air with every breath might make it more exciting though. In Southern states they're running out of beds and most importantly running out of ICU beds. Covid patients are overwhelming hospitals and people who do need help for other conditions are often being turned away.

 

[chosen]

When I first got into the workforce after college, I was scared that everyone would be incredibly smart. It didn't take long to figure out how wrong I was.

These last couple of years have shown me that I never understood just how stupid so many people are.

 

[eco's bones]

Is it strange that people who don’t trust the researchers and/or the medicos and/or the vaccine still run on down to hospitals for help when they get the virus?

 

[Peltz]

Well, that is an entirely different topic. I'm sure at some level, you care about other people, but probably not for the reasons you tell yourself.
BTW, the vaxxed can contract and spread Covid, so its not just the unvaxxed. Furthermore, many of the unvaxxed have had Covid and there is evidence that natural immunity is more durable than the vaccine.
Worrying is a pointless activity.

Worrying is a pointless activity. Sure.

'Your Child Will Wait For Another Child To Die': Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins Addresses Shortage Of Pediatric ICU Beds

As long as no one worries about it, all is well.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Do you know what they call the guy who finished last in his class at his medical school in Grenada? Doctor.

I know many doctors who I wouldn't trust to cut my finger nail. We should cool it with the doctor god complex.

The doctor that finished last in medical school still knows more than random dude on the internet.

 

[The S5]

The doctor that finished last in medical school still knows more than random dude on the internet.

Okay, but who is listening to some random dude on the internet?

 

[NYSPORTS]

It’s not just space in hospitals - respirators are also in limited supply for COVID patients themselves.

so many great points in throughout your post. Great job. For quoting purposes i stopped at the limited supply of respirators. All i’ll add is the other very limited supply is blood. In preparation of a surge of Covid patients being admitted to hospitals there are many surgeries being put on hold b/c the blood supply low to begin with.

Great post again btw.

 

[Irishguy42]

Okay, but who is listening to some random dude on the internet?

Just looking on social media....a lot of people are listening to random dudes/dudettes on the internet.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Okay, but who is listening to some random dude on the internet?

bud, you’re 100% correct. There are a ton of hacks out there with the title of Doctor and even the solid docs need to be educated on this Covid. Practically none are Covid experts.

To also put your position into context, it’s like a football fan who can’t catch a football yet knows more about the game than a player who has better hands so becomes the NFL player . . . just as the doctor with ton of knowledge and terrible hands takes a back seat to a doc with lesser knowledge and better hands who becomes the surgeon.

 

[The S5]

Just looking on social media....a lot of people are listening to random dudes/dudettes on the internet.

I'm sure, but that's on both sides of every argument. For every person who thinks the virus is fake there is a person who believes everything the media/government tells them.

FWIW, I just listened to Walensky say that we can tamp the virus out in two weeks if we just get everyone vaxxed and wear masks. Does anyone believe that? We've been doing this now for well over a year. Are we going to do this every time a new variant is detected?
I've heard experts talk about how the seasonal flu has been non existent because of masking and social distancing, so why is Covid running rampant? Both virus' and both transmitted in the same manner.

 

[chosen]

FWIW, I just listened to Walensky say that we can tamp the virus out in two weeks if we just get everyone vaxxed and wear masks. Does anyone believe that? We've been doing this now for well over a year. Are we going to do this every time a new variant is detected?

We've gotten everyone vaxxed and wearing masks? We've been doing this for well over a year?

On what planet?