OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part VII - READ THE OP

[Machinehead]

Looked at some data from Israel, the effectiveness of the vaccine really drops off at 6 months post. We're gonna have boosters in our life soon and for a while to come.

I'm not even going to address that second point because you yelled too loud, but the vaccine is still highly effective.

https://www.covid-datascience.com/p...strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

The "time since vaccination" data is heavily skewed by the fact that 80+ people, immunocompromised people, and healthcare workers almost exclusively got the vaccine first. Those populations are way more prone to covid and severe illness.

 

[JimmyG89]

With the Pfizer vaccine being approved, NYC has now made it a requirement that all school employees have at least 1 dose of the vaccine prior to September 27th. This is also the case for hospital workers and anyone within the medical field. There is no COVID testing option.

For those that have withheld from getting the vaccine, your job is likely next to make you do it. Of course, there is no information on those that cannot get it due to medical reasons, but I am sure a doctor note with the medical condition and reason why should suffice.

My concern is those that do currently have natural immunity after having COVID recently and have been advised they need to wait before being vaccinated. Hopefully it goes the same way for them as those with a medical reason for not being able to take it.

Either way, I'd expect by the end of the year, if you haven't been vaccinated, you're not going to be able to do anything in NYC.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

There are a few restaurants in NJ where I live that have decided to require vaccinations to dine.

A few people are upset by that but its the owner's right to do so. If you dont agree with it, just dont dine there.

But it got me thinking about what Peltz said earlier regarding smoking. There were quite a few restaurants that decided to be non-smoking establishments before it was put into law. I don't see this being that different honestly.

No one is saying you shouldnt have the freedom to smoke, but goddamn - its unhealthy for you and the rest of us. Same goes for anti-vaxers. You have the right not to get the shot but goddamn - its unhealthy for you and the rest of us.

 

[Peltz]

There are a few restaurants in NJ where I live that have decided to require vaccinations to dine.

A few people are upset by that but its the owner's right to do so. If you dont agree with it, just dont dine there.

But it got me thinking about what Peltz said earlier regarding smoking. There were quite a few restaurants that decided to be non-smoking establishments before it was put into law. I don't see this being that different honestly.

No one is saying you shouldnt have the freedom to smoke, but goddamn - its unhealthy for you and the rest of us. Same goes for anti-vaxers. You have the right not to get the shot but goddamn - its unhealthy for you and the rest of us.

Exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if it did become law in many states.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Ehem. I think someone here was going on and on about the importance of full FDA approval in relation to getting more of the country vaccinated and others were doubting it. Can't remember who though...

FDA's approval of Pfizer vaccine already paving the way for mandates

When Pfizer and BioNTech’s (PFE) COVID-19 vaccine on Monday became the first to receive full Food and Drug Administration approval for people 16 and older, several vaccine mandates came down just that day.
The uptick shows that legal experts and the nation's top infectious disease expert were on target by predicting that approval would embolden businesses, governments, and schools to mandate vaccines.

 

[will1066]

Ehem. I think someone here was going on and on about the importance of full FDA approval in relation to getting more of the country vaccinated and others were doubting it. Can't remember who though...

FDA's approval of Pfizer vaccine already paving the way for mandates

It was me. I said that FDA approval wasn't going to change those who have dug in their heels against vaccination. Of course, when you legally make people get vaccinated, most(?) will do it to save their livelihoods. I'm sure some of the extremists will rather quit their jobs still. It doesn't mean that FDA approval will miraculously change many people's minds about the vaccines, which was my point.

 

[JimmyG89]

It was me. I said that FDA approval wasn't going to change those who have dug in their heels against vaccination. Of course, when you legally make people get vaccinated, most(?) will do it to save their livelihoods. I'm sure some of the extremists will rather quit their jobs still. It doesn't mean that FDA approval will miraculously change many people's minds about the vaccines, which was my point.

Exactly what is happening. Talked to a co-worker this morning and they were holding out from getting the vaccine, but signed up and is getting their 1st shot today. If the mandate was not in place, they likely would not have gotten it. So, there is a catch-22 when it comes to the vaccination rate going up. It's changed from being optional and is now you have to get it in order to make a living and have a life outside of your own home. Of course that will alter whether or not someone will get it. Not because the FDA approved it, but because approving it will allow places to force you to have it.

The biggest question out of this mandate is will the 18-44 group see a large spike. That is basically who is left to vaccinate out of adults. The city's website has some good info on this. 18-24 year old has an 11% disparity from 1 dose to fully vaccinated. That is from colleges and universities mandating it. 25-34 is at a 7% disparity. 35-44 is at 8% disparity. Now that the workforce will be required to have it, the hope is that number jumps to the 11% disparity or maybe even higher over the next few weeks. Getting to 75% of the 18-44 group being fully vaccinated by the end of September should be the goal.

If the general workforce can get to around 85% by the holidays, I think we will be able to see a lot of the restrictions come off and you will not need to require proof of vaccination for entering a restaurant or other establishments. Maybe a business will mandate it, but it wouldn't be coming from the city. That is of course if this is the last of the waves to hit.

 

[Gardner McKay]

It was me. I said that FDA approval wasn't going to change those who have dug in their heels against vaccination. Of course, when you legally make people get vaccinated, most(?) will do it to save their livelihoods. I'm sure some of the extremists will rather quit their jobs still. It doesn't mean that FDA approval will miraculously change many people's minds about the vaccines, which was my point.

Well, if you can't earn income or function in every day life, then they can suffer the consequences. This is an absolutely huge step. I am glad the FDA finally did it.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

If you look at the direction of latest wave (cases per 100K), the shape of where it is heading - in areas with lower vaccination and mask regulations (AL, LA, FL, MS, AR, TN, etc.) its heading in the same or worse direction than the "2nd" big wave last year.

Compare it to the same data from (NJ, NY, CT, MA, PA, etc.) states with higher vax rates and accepted mask restrictions and it's a stark difference. The curve is much more gentle and "flattening".

Look at the graph.

This is what we were hoping to see around the country had the vaccination roll out been more successful, consistent and more widely accepted.

Half the country failed. The Delta variant is running rampant in the areas that refused to accept science. The vaccines were there, held to cold or freezing temperatures and waiting for an arm.

Meanwhile smaller countries around the world who are begging for them are still unable to get shots.

The damage has been done and it will continue to get worse because of lack of education and incompetence, nothing else.

 

[sbjnyc]

Is it even a variant anymore? Delta is like 95% of the cases now.

Oh and big pharma has always been bad at branding their products except maybe Viagra. Comirnaty? Sounds like the name of a dog in welsh.

 

[Leonardo87]

So just got back from Florida, apparently there is no Covid-19 down there, same with state taxes, or NHL cap for that matter lol.

Just very care free with no mandates.

 

[sbjnyc]

Delta will charge unvaccinated employees more for health insurance - CNN

 

[Gardner McKay]

This has become a catch-all political thread. It isn't like there aren't enough outlets to have those discussions. Rather than making good on our promise to drop the hammer on those who engaged in political discussion, I'm just going to be a softy and close the thread.

As per the suggestion from site admins, we can consider having a COVID thread if it becomes relevant to the Rangers, like it is the Oilers where they are requiring vaccination.