OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part V

[Machinehead]

Opening the economy isn't enough. We need to innovate the economy.

Certain industries are going be dead or frozen because of this. That has nothing to do with restrictions.

In other sectors, we desperately need to ramp up supply. Nobody can get disinfectant. Nobody can get sanitizer. Deliveries have slowed. We're going to need plastics like crazy. We're going to need to distribute treatments. Anybody who can work from home probably will and telecommunications will boom.

There's plenty of demand out there and plenty of opportunity to put people to work fighting the virus. Kill two birds with one stone.

Square peg into round hole isn't going to work.

 

[MyLoveIsBlue]

NY now has more deaths than can fit in MSG. Really spooky.

 

[eco's bones]

We Cannot "Reopen" America - The Bulwark

This makes a lot of sense to me.

Things that go extinct often drag other things into extinction with them.

Whether or not we're actually at war with a virus we're really heading towards a wartime economy at least if you're thinking in terms of let's say WWII---where pretty much our economy is restructured into something different than it was. We didn't see the automakers making cars--we see them making tanks and other vehicles for the troops. Back then they saw shortages of things too.

People are not going to be able to sit and eat a sandwich in their favorite crowded deli anymore. Travel is going to take a massive hit which makes this bailout of airlines and cruise ships not really smart at all. Those entities really aren't going to be functional for a long time and some probably won't survive and to be honest the cruise lines for the most part aren't even American and IMO it's a shit way to try and see the world. As far as the NHL, NBA, MLB and NFL until a vaccine comes along if they're going to play it might have to be before empty arenas and stadiums. Some owners might be okay doing that or at least for a while. I don't think they all will be. Best case scenario for the 20-21 season is a workable vaccine is available by October but that seems pretty unlikely to me. So by November? December? January? when does the NHL decide to pull the plug. It might happen but I'm not counting on a 20-21 season and I'm not sitting down in a restaurant for a meal if I think by doing so that meal might kill me.

When that vaccine gets here and people can be relatively safe again things are going to have to be restructured. Our health care system is going to have to be restructured because it's proven now it simply wasn't good enough for this pandemic and so won't be if there is a next pandemic. Exciting times coming for those who survive this.

 

[Machinehead]

Things that go extinct often drag other things into extinction with them.

Whether or not we're actually at war with a virus we're really heading towards a wartime economy at least if you're thinking in terms of let's say WWII---where pretty much our economy is restructured into something different than it was. We didn't see the automakers making cars--we see them making tanks and other vehicles for the troops. Back then they saw shortages of things too.

People are not going to be able to sit and eat a sandwich in their favorite crowded deli anymore. Travel is going to take a massive hit which makes this bailout of airlines and cruise ships not really smart at all. Those entities really aren't going to be functional for a long time and some probably won't survive and to be honest the cruise lines for the most part aren't even American and IMO it's a shit way to try and see the world. As far as the NHL, NBA, MLB and NFL until a vaccine comes along if they're going to play it might have to be before empty arenas and stadiums. Some owners might be okay doing that or at least for a while. I don't think they all will be. Best case scenario for the 20-21 season is a workable vaccine is available by October but that seems pretty unlikely to me. So by November? December? January? when does the NHL decide to pull the plug. It might happen but I'm not counting on a 20-21 season and I'm not sitting down in a restaurant for a meal if I think by doing so that meal might kill me.

When that vaccine gets here and people can be relatively safe again things are going to have to be restructured. Our health care system is going to have to be restructured because it's proven now it simply wasn't good enough for this pandemic and so won't be if there is a next pandemic. Exciting times coming for those who survive this.

If by exciting, you mean terrifying, because nothing will be done, yes.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

We Cannot "Reopen" America - The Bulwark

This makes a lot of sense to me.

From the f***ing BULWARK.

 

[Machinehead]

From the f***ing BULWARK.

Right?

 

[eco's bones]

If by exciting, you mean terrifying, because nothing will be done, yes.

I think there's not just going to have to be a restructure of our economy but a new politics is going to have to come out of this. By that I mean politicians are going to start to be held to account and no matter what party they belong to. If you look at those in Washington now--most of them are in their 60's, 70's and 80's which isn't all that representative. Blacks, Hispanics and women are also underrepresented. Graft and corruption are all too common--lobbyist's for industries write legislation as much or more than legislators do. So the more people in the shit the more it's going to turn into an us (as in those in the shit) vs. those types (as in those who are only concerned about maintaining their own bank accounts) and it won't necessarily even have to fall along party lines all the time.

But yeah some of this might be terrifying too and I think for the immediate future they will try as much as possible to keep it all contained. You can't multiply a homeless problem by 10 or 20 times though. I don't think most people in the center or on the left and even a lot of people on the right will stand for that. So to keep things together there is going to have to be an extraordinary amount of give by those with wealth and political power.

 

[LORDE]

There was no recession two months ago. I am certainly not trying to be insulting, but I am not sure how I can state this any more clearly. The very definition is two quarters of negative growth. I am not sure how you can even start to debate that.

Things needed to have started to get horrific and economy needed to start to tank. There was no recession at the end of February or beginning of March. Had you said that the country was going to head into a recession due to what happened, then that would be an accurate statement.

I believe I said we were on the verge... maybe I was just looking down the road more than u because I saw it clearly coming as did many others but I guess it’s semantics at this point in time.

 

[eco's bones]

Not really a fan of Jimmy Dore but I really like Mark Blyth--'once you've proven that the Federal Reserve can find 2 trillion hiding down the back of the sofa for whatever reason'.

 

[Machinehead]

Just got an urgent email from the union.

Apparently, administration is already calling for preemptive cuts based on projected shortfalls in the 2021 state budget.

The problem with that is twofold: 1) it's f***ing 2020 2) Apparently, according to union leadership, $100 million was already allocated to New York State public universities in the most recent stimulus package that passed.

Here's what's happening -- administration is trying to sell us on "boohoo we have to make cuts because of the virus" and then if a number of factors come into play including: a) stimulus money we've already received b) additional stimulus money coming down the pike c) a state bailout that alleviates the shortfalls which I'm sure New York will fight for d) enrollment goes up because students can't travel out of state and New York is a big ass state, that additional money stays at the top and the executives get fat raises.

They think they can run a university without teachers. Personally, I think we could run a university without executives.

 

[Synergy27]

Just got an urgent email from the union.

Apparently, administration is already calling for preemptive cuts based on projected shortfalls in the 2021 state budget.

The problem with that is twofold: 1) it's f***ing 2020 2) Apparently, according to union leadership, $100 million was already allocated to New York State public universities in the most recent stimulus package that passed.

Here's what's happening -- administration is trying to sell us on "boohoo we have to make cuts because of the virus" and then if a number of factors come into play including: a) stimulus money we've already received b) additional stimulus money coming down the pike c) a state bailout that alleviates the shortfalls which I'm sure New York will fight for d) enrollment goes up because students can't travel out of state and New York is a big ass state, that additional money stays at the top and the executives get fat raises.

They think they can run a university without teachers. Personally, I think we could run a university without executives.

College administrators and their multiplication are a significant, under the radar problem in this country. Relics of the centralized past. Hopefully going the way of the dodo in a decentralized future.

 

[Machinehead]

College administrators and their multiplication are a significant, under the radar problem in this country. Relics of the centralized past. Hopefully going the way of the dodo in a decentralized future.

People in my department run curriculum, hiring, payroll, HR, scheduling, advising, tutoring. We do all the logistics ourselves. I could tell you exactly who does what and where their office is. They're all professors. We run it ourselves.

Meanwhile, college executives make $724,000 a year. If we do all that, what do they do?

Here's a perfect example: due to a scheduling conflict, our front desk secretary at the department couldn't work for an hour on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. I happened to be sitting around drinking coffee between classes during those hours, so they offered it to me to pick up extra pay. That's nice.

Somebody in my department who I know personally recommended me for that position, somebody in my department who I know personally hired me and put me on payroll for that position, and somebody in my department who I know personally trained me for that position.

Administration was so privy to what was going on, that when that assignment ended, they sent me a termination letter...even though I still f***ing work there! It said "best of luck in your future endeavors." Buddy, my future endeavors are a lecture on Thrusday morning, come the f*** by and say hi BECAUSE I STILL WORK HERE!!

The person who signed that letter makes $724,000 a year.

 

[LORDE]

People in my department run curriculum, hiring, payroll, HR, scheduling, advising, tutoring. We do all the logistics ourselves. I could tell you exactly who does what and where their office is. They're all professors. We run it ourselves.

Meanwhile, college executives make $724,000 a year. If we do all that, what do they do?

Here's a perfect example: due to a scheduling conflict, our front desk secretary at the department couldn't work for an hour on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. I happened to be sitting around drinking coffee between classes during those hours, so they offered it to me to pick up extra pay. That's nice.

Somebody in my department who I know personally recommended me for that position, somebody in my department who I know personally hired me and put me on payroll for that position, and somebody in my department who I know personally trained me for that position.

Administration was so privy to what was going on, that when that assignment ended, they sent me a termination letter...even though I still f***ing work there! It said "best of luck in your future endeavors." Buddy, my future endeavors are a lecture on Thrusday morning, come the f*** by and say hi BECAUSE I STILL WORK HERE!!

The person who signed that letter makes $724,000 a year.

I hate to say it but I think you’ll find leadership in every industry has major flaws at this point.

I can certainly sympathize

 

[Machinehead]

I hate to say it but I think you’ll find leadership in every industry has major flaws at this point.

I can certainly sympathize

Oh for sure, this is not unique. We live in a society of middle men who have convinced us all that they do the hardest job and deserve the most.

 

[Off Sides]

I may be crazy, in fact at times I think I am. Yet if this economy goes to the point negative interest rates...

I am not that smart, I mostly read a ton and think/pretend I've gained knowledge, but that has to be a bad signal.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I see some people are realizing it may not be so great to keep the whole Country closed down long term. People's lives and families will be destroyed.

 

[LORDE]

I see some people are realizing it may not be so great to keep the whole Country closed down long term. People's lives and families will be destroyed.

Any pseudo knowledgeable person would understand that. But it’s the timing and weighing the potential (if not certain) loss of LIFE that is the main issue.

U don’t think we all wanna stay @ home forever right? I mean I don’t have kids but the neighbors kids are enough (get off my lawn!!!!)

Yesterday I volunteered to be the first one to go back to my specific job knowing some would be hesitant and say something, some wouldn’t say anything but be just as worried. We all don’t want small family businesses to go under, or mid sized ones or giant ones. We all want normalcy but we also don’t want to have family and friends or ourselves to die because we let up.

 

[bl02]

Just got an urgent email from the union.

Apparently, administration is already calling for preemptive cuts based on projected shortfalls in the 2021 state budget.

The problem with that is twofold: 1) it's f***ing 2020 2) Apparently, according to union leadership, $100 million was already allocated to New York State public universities in the most recent stimulus package that passed.

Here's what's happening -- administration is trying to sell us on "boohoo we have to make cuts because of the virus" and then if a number of factors come into play including: a) stimulus money we've already received b) additional stimulus money coming down the pike c) a state bailout that alleviates the shortfalls which I'm sure New York will fight for d) enrollment goes up because students can't travel out of state and New York is a big ass state, that additional money stays at the top and the executives get fat raises.

They think they can run a university without teachers. Personally, I think we could run a university without executives.

I honestly don’t think you can. I dated an administrator for a major New Jersey university and she literally worked 14 hours a day and weekends too. The shit she dealt with was nonstop from all angles. Of course Someone making 700k plus is probably overpaid but what do I know. All I know is you need people making decisions and dealing with management type stuff.

 

[Machinehead]

I honestly don’t think you can. I dated an administrator for a major New Jersey university and she literally worked 14 hours a day and weekends too. The shit she dealt with was nonstop from all angles. Of course Someone making 700k plus is probably overpaid but what do I know. All I know is you need people making decisions and dealing with management type stuff.

We already do.

 

[bl02]

We already do.

You run an entire college?

 

[Machinehead]

You run an entire college?

Our department runs our entire department, yes.

I don't think an executive has ever been in our building.

I think you're conflating an actual "administrator" role, a salaried employee who makes about 48k, with the real higher ups who preside over the school.

 

[Machinehead]

I know it's confusing, but we call the executive body of the school "administration" because "guys that make several hundred thousand dollars to put their names on letterheads" just doesn't roll of the tongue.

"Administrator" is different.

 

[bl02]

Our department runs our entire department, yes.

I don't think an executive has ever been in our building.

I think you're conflating an actual "administrator" role, a salaried employee who makes about 48k, with the real higher ups who preside over the school.

You stayed you can run a university without executives. That’s what I was referring to. Who are these executives you you’re referencing then? My bad if I’m getting it mixed up. Watching 6 hours of the draft will do that

 

[bl02]

I know it's confusing, but we call the executive body of the school "administration" because "guys that make several hundred thousand dollars to put their names on letterheads" just doesn't roll of the tongue.

"Administrator" is different.

Can you give an example of job titles of these individuals? Maybe I can forget my business and do what they do lol. I would like to twiddle my thumbs and make 6 figures the easy way

 

[Off Sides]

I see some people are realizing it may not be so great to keep the whole Country closed down long term. People's lives and families will be destroyed.

I hope your comment has nothing to do with mine above. The average person(s) can not effect what I was referring to.