OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part V

[LORDE]

What's her name? Maybe I know her.

Thirty une... she’s not much to look @ tho

 

[Machinehead]

Define Canadian... I was born in Hamilton w an American mom... grew up in NY

I have a great grandmother from Ontario, around the Niagara area. They moved to New York in the 20's and already knew what hockey was. My grandfather subsequently became one of the first Rangers fans.

 

[Thirty One]

Thirty une... she’s not much to look @ tho

Tip I just found out yesterday: if you're looking for hot Canadian girls, you just need to open up Jake Virtanen's Instagram follows. Guy has a game plan that's for sure.

 

[LORDE]

I have a great grandmother from Ontario, around the Niagara area. They moved to New York in the 20's and already knew what hockey was. My grandfather subsequently became one of the first Rangers fans.

I hope he was around for 94... that would’ve been a treat for sure. I was only a NYR for about 15 years at that time and I measure my life in prior to it or after lol

 

[Machinehead]

Everyone talks about a vaccine but I think treatments are even more important.

We have a flu vaccine. A bunch of them, in fact. The flu isn't wiped off the face of the Earth. We just deal with it without it interrupting our normal lives or the economy, and without it overwhelming the healthcare system.

That's because we can treat it, and otherwise healthy people will survive.

Similarly, a COVID vaccine isn't wiping SARS off the face of the Earth. I don't think the endgame is that this goes away. I think the endgame is that this just becomes a reality like the flu, cancer, and HIV are realities and we get it to a point where we manage that reality.

 

[Machinehead]

I hope he was around for 94... that would’ve been a treat for sure. I was only a NYR for about 15 years at that time and I measure my life in prior to it or after lol

Well he died young, unfortunately, but my dad got to see it after waiting 43 years.

Grandpa got to see two Cups in the olden days at least.

 

[sbjnyc]

In times of crisis, folks rise to the challenge or they are revealed to be who they are. I believe the phrase is ‘leaders aren’t born, they’re created’.

Politics aside, what u see in Cuomo is leadership. Full stop. Made mistakes? U bet. Took criticism and responsibility? Certainly.

What we have elsewhere is a severe lack of leadership ability... replaced by wishcasting, scapegoating, campaigning, flip flopping & outright deception or, and this may be worse, a complete lack of understanding the gravity of what is happening in the world. Not just in this country.

It is a farce and a pathetic one @ that.

There is a line from The Hobbit to this effect. "The Master has a good head for business - especially his own business, but he is no good when anything serious happens!"

 

[Machinehead]

In times of crisis, folks rise to the challenge or they are revealed to be who they are. I believe the phrase is ‘leaders aren’t born, they’re created’.

Politics aside, what u see in Cuomo is leadership. Full stop. Made mistakes? U bet. Took criticism and responsibility? Certainly.

What we have elsewhere is a severe lack of leadership ability... replaced by wishcasting, scapegoating, campaigning, flip flopping & outright deception or, and this may be worse, a complete lack of understanding the gravity of what is happening in the world. Not just in this country.

It is a farce and a pathetic one @ that.

"We're not bailing out blue states" being a great example.

New York is a purple state just like the 49 other purple states.

 

[sbjnyc]

It's kind of like taking a little league coach and making him manager of the Yankees.

Wait, didn't the Yankees effectively do this?

 

[Machinehead]

Wait, didn't the Yankees effectively do this?

Technically, a little league coach would have had more coaching experience than Boone.

 

[True Blue]

Those other businesses are. If they're not safe, people won't go.

To a degree, i disagree. As I have stated many times, I believe that 3 classes of people emerge from this. 1) A new class of permanent shut ins 2) those that insist on waiting until it is safe...ie a vaccine and 3) those that run out like they are breaking out of jail.

This is not talking about professionals, but rather recreational. The first class will be the smallest. Chances are the second is the largest, but I believe that there will be more than enough of choice 3 to start to make businesses work.

 

[Machinehead]

To a degree, i disagree. As I have stated many times, I believe that 3 classes of people emerge from this. 1) A new class of permanent shut ins 2) those that insist on waiting until it is safe...ie a vaccine and 3) those that run out like they are breaking out of jail.

This is not talking about professionals, but rather recreational. The first class will be the smallest. Chances are the second is the largest, but I believe that there will be more than enough of choice 3 to start to make businesses work.

You think there's enough people who don't give a shit about their health to keep businesses alive by themselves?

 

[True Blue]

Almost 2 months ago I discussed how we were facing a recession if not depression and u pushed back.

What a difference in your tone these days.

There was no recession two months ago. I am certainly not trying to be insulting, but I am not sure how I can state this any more clearly. The very definition is two quarters of negative growth. I am not sure how you can even start to debate that.

Things needed to have started to get horrific and economy needed to start to tank. There was no recession at the end of February or beginning of March. Had you said that the country was going to head into a recession due to what happened, then that would be an accurate statement.

 

[True Blue]

There is without a doubt a measure of not knowing what to do here. How can he? Which is why I don't think him not coming out with a plan publicly is a bad thing. Over the next couple weeks he will be able to add this into the decision making process:
-Updated current new case count
-Initial information on spread once other places re-opened
-Potential additional information on the virus and treatments
-Updated information on testing capability and how to best deploy them

All of that information could really alter the landscape in a few weeks. So why not hold off announcing anything until you have the best information possible?

I understand that, but I believe that he needs to have a plan or at least the idea of a plan now. Now, of course that plan is subject to change as more data is gleaned. It is not written in stone and is fluid. I believe that he needs to give people the confidence that he has a plan.

You keep bringing up Hooverville, but if you open up without a way of containing things you are looking at potentially hundreds of thousands of deaths in nyc alone. Hundreds of thousands. People complaining about working at the risk of that many lives can go suck it Hoover style for all I care.

And I say that as a proponent of other places being able to start opening up.

Possibly. That's the debate here, isn't it? Would there be hundreds of thousands more deaths or is this virus not as deadly as originally thought? One can certainly say that the reason that the models have been constantly revised down is due to the measures that were taken. But one can also say that the inputs were faulty and while awful, this is not nearly as deadly as originally thought.

Remember, originally the so-called experts thought that a path to herd immunity was the right answer. We do not know. And we cannot definitively state that the curve began to flatten because of draconian measures or because a) it is not as deadly as originally thought and b) this has been floating around here since December and many people already had it and had no idea.

And I get your sentiment about telling them to suck it, but all those people want to do is put food on the table. I know people like that. Right now they are collecting unemployment checks. That is not the same thing as being employed. Nowhere near it. Maybe telling people who just want to be able to put food on the table to suck it, is not the right answer?

 

[True Blue]

You think there's enough people who don't give a shit about their health to keep businesses alive by themselves?

I think that there are people that will run out. They are not anti-sciencers or some sort of Trump mobs. It is humanity re-establishing social equilibrium.

 

[GordonGecko]

MTA: "Metropolitan Transmission Authority"
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/23/coronavirus-new-york-city-subways-conductors/

 

[eco's bones]

I do not know much about him, but just like a CEO can be hired without having to need prior experience with that product, so too can this be done. You do not know his qualifications. No matter of your level of hatred for Trump, I am sure that this guy was vetted. Sometimes leaders are those that keep the ball moving.

Whatever you think, I am not sure that this is an example of butting in or interfering.

I'm sure Reuters where the story first came out of is part of the 'fake news' out to get Trump media network. Don't know the last time I watched Fox news or sourced Breitbart or the National Enquirer for data or information. Maybe if I did I'd have a better idea of where you're coming from. But anyway 'has little significant public health experience or education' IMO should ring some alarm bells.

 

[mrmovies779]

Opening up schools is tough to do because it puts a lot of older high risk teachers in serious danger.Its a damned if you do,damned if you dont situation

 

[Fireonk]

I understand that, but I believe that he needs to have a plan or at least the idea of a plan now. Now, of course that plan is subject to change as more data is gleaned. It is not written in stone and is fluid. I believe that he needs to give people the confidence that he has a plan.

Possibly. That's the debate here, isn't it? Would there be hundreds of thousands more deaths or is this virus not as deadly as originally thought? One can certainly say that the reason that the models have been constantly revised down is due to the measures that were taken. But one can also say that the inputs were faulty and while awful, this is not nearly as deadly as originally thought.

Remember, originally the so-called experts thought that a path to herd immunity was the right answer. We do not know. And we cannot definitively state that the curve began to flatten because of draconian measures or because a) it is not as deadly as originally thought and b) this has been floating around here since December and many people already had it and had no idea.

And I get your sentiment about telling them to suck it, but all those people want to do is put food on the table. I know people like that. Right now they are collecting unemployment checks. That is not the same thing as being employed. Nowhere near it. Maybe telling people who just want to be able to put food on the table to suck it, is not the right answer?

Ultimately, we've had 21k deaths in NY and counting and its still a large majority of people that haven't gotten it yet. You are likely talking about a minimum of 100k deaths if you were to open things up today. And that's only accounting for the people that live in NY and nothing about the rest of the tri-state area commuters. We obviously don't know the exact number, but that number is going to be higher if it spreads quickly now versus spreading it out as best as possible later. Both from overwhelming the healthcare system and because in the future we will likely know more about treating it.

Again, we are still getting around 8k new cases a day in NY even while everything is locked down. How can you possibly expect that not to explode while the numbers are still that high?

As for my suck it comment, it is referring to the people who are protesting and taking to the streets. Your friends collecting unemployment, while not ideal by any measure, are still able to put food on the table for the short term. That is the whole point of the stimulus with the expanded UE benefits. I am sure there are still some people falling through the cracks, and not getting the financial support they need. But to me, that is an issue with holes in the stimulus package and not the idea of staying the hell home until this is at a manageable level. The solution would be how do we help these people until things can open again, not risk everyone else's health to get these people back to work.

And for the record, my company provides services to the hospitality industry. Not so hot right now. We were approved for the PPP but never got funding because they ran out of money. Hopefully that gets rectified soon but for now, I didn't get a paycheck last week. I am lucky enough to be in a position where my wife works (in the pandemic recession proof position of nurse) and we have an emergency fund so I am less stressed than others might be, but we've still been affected financially. It isn't just the people collecting paychecks that want to make sure things are done right (as right as possible, I think everyone understands there is no such thing as perfection here.)

 

[Leetch3]

 

[Machinehead]

Opening up schools is tough to do because it puts a lot of older high risk teachers in serious danger.Its a damned if you do,damned if you dont situation

It's damned if you do because you have to.

The economy doesn't work without public school. Most kids literally have nowhere else to go. Nobody else goes back to work without it.

Our society shouldn't be set up that way, but it is.

 

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[Leetch3]

they aren't going to re-open schools for 3 weeks...shift the focus on what happens to kids when parents go back to work to camps, day care or wherever they would go over the summer when school is closed

 

[True Blue]

I'm sure Reuters where the story first came out of is part of the 'fake news' out to get Trump media network. Don't know the last time I watched Fox news or sourced Breitbart or the National Enquirer for data or information. Maybe if I did I'd have a better idea of where you're coming from. But anyway 'has little significant public health experience or education' IMO should ring some alarm bells.

As an FYI, I do not watch Fox News, CNN or MSNBC. And certainly source anything from Breitbart. But my sentiments stand.

 

[True Blue]

Ultimately, we've had 21k deaths in NY and counting and its still a large majority of people that haven't gotten it yet. You are likely talking about a minimum of 100k deaths if you were to open things up today. And that's only accounting for the people that live in NY and nothing about the rest of the tri-state area commuters. We obviously don't know the exact number, but that number is going to be higher if it spreads quickly now versus spreading it out as best as possible later. Both from overwhelming the healthcare system and because in the future we will likely know more about treating it.

Again, we are still getting around 8k new cases a day in NY even while everything is locked down. How can you possibly expect that not to explode while the numbers are still that high?

I would expect it to go up, but again, as of today your theory is that the flattening has occurred because of the lockdown. I understand the sentiment. Another theory is that this is simply not as deadly as originally thought. I realize that such a thought might be outrageous to some, but it is a thought. I will be candid and say that I do not know.

There is 1) contracting the virus 2) getting sick from the virus 3) dying from the virus. The amount of people that are 1 may well be a lot more than we think.

As for my suck it comment, it is referring to the people who are protesting and taking to the streets. Your friends collecting unemployment, while not ideal by any measure, are still able to put food on the table for the short term. That is the whole point of the stimulus with the expanded UE benefits. I am sure there are still some people falling through the cracks, and not getting the financial support they need. But to me, that is an issue with holes in the stimulus package and not the idea of staying the hell home until this is at a manageable level. The solution would be how do we help these people until things can open again, not risk everyone else's health to get these people back to work.

They are worried about never working again.

And for the record, my company provides services to the hospitality industry. Not so hot right now. We were approved for the PPP but never got funding because they ran out of money. Hopefully that gets rectified soon but for now, I didn't get a paycheck last week. I am lucky enough to be in a position where my wife works (in the pandemic recession proof position of nurse) and we have an emergency fund so I am less stressed than others might be, but we've still been affected financially. It isn't just the people collecting paychecks that want to make sure things are done right (as right as possible, I think everyone understands there is no such thing as perfection here.)

Hoping that all works out for you