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OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part IV - II

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I agree. There is no way I'm going to show up in November if this virus is still running rampant. First off I detest Trump but I really don't like Biden very much either and I'm certainly not going to stand in a line and risk my life to vote for someone I'm not sure I want to vote for anyway. By mail--it makes sense--at least you can do that internally struggling between the options in your head and go forward from there. There's also the poll workers--many of whom are kind of old and will see hundreds/thousands that day. That seems pretty risky to me and I would think there are going to be a lot of no shows and not too many new volunteers. That will slow shit down---so Biden's suggestion that voters will all keep 6' apart and poll works will continually be spraying down machines seems way too rosy and far fetched to me. Things don't usually go that cleanly even in a normal year.
 
Gardner McKay said:
Being bored has reached new heights today. I am researching how to make sourdough bread from scratch. :dunno:
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That’s cool. Was going to make some homemade pizza for Friday, but my oven just broke on me. Gonna be hard to get someone out here to fix now.

Looks like I will be entering the Yogi Bear phase to survive.
 
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If we can't figure out mail-in ballots ahead of Election Day with a seven month head start, then I have some questions.
 
Crease said:
If we can't figure out mail-in ballots ahead of Election Day with a seven month head start, then I have some questions.
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I mean...we couldn't figure out how to get the ACA website working with ages to go before it launched. We couldn't get an app to figure out how to record votes in Iowa. We couldn't figure out a lot of things on the other side of the aisle too. I'd say on the whole.. were really good at f***ing up easy things lol
 
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We can't just hide forever. I get that part of it and so do the people in charge. I do think we need to ride out this curve. Not doing so will just cause more flare-ups and send us inside for longer. When this curve subsides depends on where in the country you are (which is going to be a challenge since it's a global economy) but I think by June 1 we could see this curve gone in New York.
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I am going to be honest. While we as a people may survive until 6/1. I am not so sure that the local economy will. You are talking about entire industries like restaurants, local delis, bars, a lot of gyms will never, boutique stores will never come back. When people emerge, they need something to be able to emerge to. There is already talk that the SBA loans that are a part of the stimulus are not enough.
 
Fireonk said:
It could be May 1st. I just dont think having a specific date right now makes sense. Need to see the numbers drastically come down and have a plan on how we are going to prevent the 2nd wave from happening at all.

If we get to June and nothing has changed, yeah we will probably just have to rip the band-aid at some point.
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I am not saying that it needs to be May 1st or 8th. I just believe that it will happen sometime in May.

The amount of domestic violence cases has already spiked up. You WILL see people that become shut ins for the rest of their lives. Just having conversations with people, you can see depression begin to set in.

Sooner rather than latter, there is going to be a "It's morning in America" moment.
 
Irishguy42 said:
This is why voting by mail, especially during a pandemic like this, needs to be more prevalent in the US voting system. Along with other measures to give eligible voters an easier time with longer voting windows (should be a week leading up to Election Day), making Election Day a federal holiday, easier registration (should be automatic registration, restoring rights to formerly incarcerated people, etc. Especially for primaries.
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While logical, that also opens itself up so to much fraud and improprieties. Unfortunately, the world is not a utopia.
 
True Blue said:
I am not saying that it needs to be May 1st or 8th. I just believe that it will happen sometime in May.

The amount of domestic violence cases has already spiked up. You WILL see people that become shut ins for the rest of their lives. Just having conversations with people, you can see depression begin to set in.

Sooner rather than latter, there is going to be a "It's morning in America" moment.
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Not disagreeing that we are looking at some form of re-opening at some point in May. I think the long term effects of opening back up and then having to close again would be way worse than extending the current closing a little bit longer though.

Unfortunately, since we have this random lockdown staggering going on state by state it makes it a lot tougher to figure out a date that would help ensure that. Can't just have different parts of the country randomly opening and closing at different times as waves come in. People would go even more nuts if we have to lock down NY again because Florida is being Florida.

What happens if you have to do a 2nd wave for only certain areas? Do you provide a new stimulus just for New York so they stay home again? Do you then have to do it again for Florida a month or two later when they start flaring up again?

Don't see how this works unless its an across the board plan and everyone is in this together. Need to wait until the first wave is knocked out (as much as it can be) across the entire country before re-opening any place in my opinion. And then you need to have a set plan in place on how we handle a potential hotspot in the future.
 
Cuomo's latest press conference had some details about when we can reopen the economy.

Cuomo is coordinating with NJ and CT to restart the economy, and he said we can't begin transitioning to normal life until we have widespread, accurate antibody testing and rapid tests for the coronavirus.

They only have 50,000 testing capacity, which isn't nearly enough for the tristate area, so he's asking the private sector to contribute so testing can be brought up to scale.
 
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Fireonk said:
What happens if you have to do a 2nd wave for only certain areas? Do you provide a new stimulus just for New York so they stay home again? Do you then have to do it again for Florida a month or two later when they start flaring up again?

Don't see how this works unless its an across the board plan and everyone is in this together. Need to wait until the first wave is knocked out (as much as it can be) across the entire country before re-opening any place in my opinion. And then you need to have a set plan in place on how we handle a potential hotspot in the future.
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See and I am not sure how you can necessarily avoid having other states being in different stages. It is like a roller coaster. As a state like NY starts to get in the clear (we all hope), you will see other states get affected. Louisiana is getting hit now. It will run it self through others as well. But can the country afford to keep a state like NY & CA shut down while this makes it's way through others? I think there will be guidelines and timelines.
 
True Blue said:
See and I am not sure how you can necessarily avoid having other states being in different stages. It is like a roller coaster. As a state like NY starts to get in the clear (we all hope), you will see other states get affected. Louisiana is getting hit now. It will run it self through others as well. But can the country afford to keep a state like NY & CA shut down while this makes it's way through others? I think there will be guidelines and timelines.
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I think you need to put the United part in United States in action. Each state shouldn't be deciding their own plans without consideration for other states and how it will affect them. Seems like the only way to best keep this to one wave and to properly allow a re-opening going forward without false starts.
 
True Blue said:
I am going to be honest. While we as a people may survive until 6/1. I am not so sure that the local economy will. You are talking about entire industries like restaurants, local delis, bars, a lot of gyms will never, boutique stores will never come back. When people emerge, they need something to be able to emerge to. There is already talk that the SBA loans that are a part of the stimulus are not enough.
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There's not much of an alternative. If the numbers elevate again it ends up being longer than 6/1.
 
Fireonk said:
I think you need to put the United part in United States in action. Each state shouldn't be deciding their own plans without consideration for other states and how it will affect them. Seems like the only way to best keep this to one wave and to properly allow a re-opening going forward without false starts.
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But it is the local governors that decide the type of shut down they are having anyway. Arizona does not look like NY. Nor does Florida.
 
Machinehead said:
There's not much of an alternative. If the numbers elevate again it ends up being longer than 6/1.
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At that point, I think that they are biting the proverbial bullet and riding things out. Right now, there are people are still employed even though they are not working. And some are furloughed. Were that to change. people are emerging from hiding with an unemployment rate that is over 25%. And that is spread out nationally. Some states will have it closer to 50 or higher. As was pointed out, at some point the band aid simply gets ripped off.
 
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