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True Blue said:
But it is the local governors that decide the type of shut down they are having anyway. Arizona does not look like NY. Nor does Florida.
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Yes, and I think that's a mistake. There are plenty of small businesses, like the one I work for, that provide services on a national level. It's great that I might be able to send my kids to daycare in a month, but I might not be able to pay for it if a bunch of states are still peaking. We provide services for the hospitality industry, if a bunch of states are constantly flaring with cases, at different times, hotels will never recover because travel will never be properly flowing.
 
GoAwayStaal said:
I cannot fathom how anyone could do any worse than Trump.

The infection, spread of said infection and significant amount of fatalities in the US was unavoidable, but the volume at which they have occurred is 10000000000% on his complete negligence and arrogance.
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Yeah but if we talk about how Biden’s response *might* have been bad then we can avoid talking about how Trumps response *has* been bad.
 
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Fireonk said:
Yes, and I think that's a mistake. There are plenty of small businesses, like the one I work for, that provide services on a national level. It's great that I might be able to send my kids to daycare in a month, but I might not be able to pay for it if a bunch of states are still peaking. We provide services for the hospitality industry, if a bunch of states are constantly flaring with cases, at different times, hotels will never recover because travel will never be properly flowing.
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I understand and am not debating whether it is right or wrong. I am just speculating on what I believe will happen given all that is going on.
 
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McRanger said:
Yeah but if we talk about how Biden’s response *might* have been bad then we can avoid talking about how Trumps response *has* been bad.
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For real.

What Donny did is basically watch a tidal wave coming from thousands of miles away and assured his people that not only will they not drown when it touches down, they won't even get wet.

I mean other than sitting back and doing nothing while hoping for this to go away, I can't see anyway someone could handle this whole situation worse than he did. Remember he was gung ho on lifting the quarantine a few weeks ago before he was talked off of that ledge.

Think of how f***ed we would have been had he gotten his way?
 
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I fail to see how the lockdown can persist past May. I really don't. You have to figure in the next month to month and a half they will have had more time to perfect treatments that will help to alleviate symptoms and that in turn can make average length of hospital visits shorter and in effect increase hospital capacity that way. Isn't this the whole gist of the lockdown? To buy time for the hospitals to not be overburdened? another thing I have been reading about is a possible shift in treatment modalities. Some are saying the ventilators are not the correct treatment, but rather pure oxygen is and a large concentration of it. They say that the patients are not actually getting a pneumonia, but are basically having their bodies starved of oxygen by what the virus is doing. The virus is inhibiting the bodys ability to transport oxygen throughout the body and that in turn is why their o2 levels are so low. My friend's uncle who is 84 was admitted and was given oxygen only as his treatment with no ventilator and he was able to leave in 2 days. Anecdotal at best, but encouraging.

buy time for more testing and the antibody testing to identify who has it already. eventually as time goes on, there will be more tests and more people getting tested so they can be isolated. I am very intrigued by the hydroxychloroquine treatments. I would not hesitate to take it myself if I needed to.

Now, they can't let us go back to normal next month, but I can't see how certain small business can reopen. Masks may have to be mandatory. A couple of examples I can think of off the top of my head are hair dressers/barbers and dog grooming places. Very easy to control foot traffic into and out of the store. Only people being serviced allowed in the store, everyone else waits in their cars. not the best way to go about things but something that could work to get things going. Im not sure about restaurants, but perhaps they rearrange their floor plans if they can to maximize space between the tables. Set limits to the maximum amount of people in the restaurant at one time. School will most definitely be out until the fall, as much as I think it would be a great thing for the kids to go back even if just for the month of June, I'm not sure I see it, and getting all the students to wear masks won't work. Maybe the movies can reopen with major space between the seats.

I think the big question is would you willing to wear a mask to be able to go out and resume some semblance of your normal lives? I think I would.
 
Interesting write up but it wouldn't post. So I broke it up. You'll have to type it into one address yourself to read. I don't know if it's 100% accurate(and it says so at the top of the article) but it states that the lung and oxygen problem isn't from the virus per se but from the fact blood loses it's hemoglobin and therefore cannot get oxygenated. And the free flowing iron screws up organs.

http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/

https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb
 
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True Blue said:
At that point, I think that they are biting the proverbial bullet and riding things out. Right now, there are people are still employed even though they are not working. And some are furloughed. Were that to change. people are emerging from hiding with an unemployment rate that is over 25%. And that is spread out nationally. Some states will have it closer to 50 or higher. As was pointed out, at some point the band aid simply gets ripped off.
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We may have to bite the bullet at some point but you do it at a point where you won't infect most of the workforce. That will have the same effect on the economy.
 
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Yes, we would have been significantly better with Biden or Sanders when they didn't want to ban travel from China in January.

Could things be handled better? Absolutely. Would things have been worse with both of them, yes it would be.
 
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Hell, we'd have been better off with the mayor of San Francisco around than what we have here.

 
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GoAwayStaal said:
Think of how f***ed we would have been had he gotten his way?
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3 days before closing everything down, Di Blasio urged everyone to go and eat at their favorite restaurants. On February 24th, Nancy Pelosi urged people to patron San Francisco's Chinatown and said that she herself was going to dine there. In March, the highly intellectual AOC called people who were staying away from Chinese restaurants racists.

“Honestly, it sounds almost so silly to say” she said, “but there’s a lot of restaurants that are feeling the pain of racism, where people are literally not patronizing Chinese restaurants, they’re not patronizing Asian restaurants because of just straight-up racism around the coronavirus.”

Think of how f***ed we would have been if these three had gotten their way?

This are not my politics, but you guys are really going to have a tough time accepting Trump's next 4 years.

 
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Machinehead said:
We may have to bite the bullet at some point but you do it at a point where you won't infect most of the workforce. That will have the same effect on the economy.
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We shall see. But I believe that neither the governors nor the president will sacrifice the long term well being of the state and national economy over the short term of the horrific virus. Just my view. I think that whether people like it or not, you will begin to see things open up in May. And not at the end of May.
 
JimmyG89 said:
Yes, we would have been significantly better with Biden or Sanders when they didn't want to ban travel from China in January.

Could things be handled better? Absolutely. Would things have been worse with both of them, yes it would be.
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The ban on travel from China (and again, I have said this was a good idea and have given Trump his credit here) ultimately didn't do anything to mitigate what we are going through now because nothing else was done to follow up.

It is impossible to backup your hypothetical conclusion. And it is impossible for me to say the opposite with any certainty.

We can only judge what the current leaders have done.
 
JimmyG89 said:
Hell, we'd have been better off with the mayor of San Francisco around than what we have here.

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Correct. And it is important for everyone to remember who led well and who didn't, doesn't matter what party they are a part of.
 
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