Does Mitch seem different since coming back from the 4 Nations?

[Roo]

He looks like the exact same greedy snotty thinks-he's-better-than-everyone-else hockey player to me.

The best thing ML$E could do is let this guy walk. He's a proven playoffs no show loser. That's on top of having the worst attitude of anyone on the team.

Toxic Marner is toxic.

Anyone who says otherwise hasn't been paying attention. The media sound bites and undermining of players like Crosby are just glimpses the public are able to see. O'Rielly and Schenn both saw enough behind the scenes they refused to re-sign.

They'd rather be members of a hockey team than a country club.

As a leader it's up to Marner to set the right tone in the dressing room. This he clearly has not accomplished. A failure to accept personal responsibility while at the same time demanding obnoxious amounts of money to play a game that he doesn't take seriously for a living.

Marner said it best himself "It's just hockey" right Mitch.

LOL, interesting take

 

[francis246]

Matthews trips and falls against Marchand, coincidentally while the puck travels past them?

Below is the sequence in photos. Matthews is closest to puck, but Matthews knows that he won't be able to do anything if he receives the pass because Marchand is too close...so instead he leaves the puck, bodies Marchand and just like that Marner is 2vs1 or 3v2, however you want to see it.

The casual hockey fan would definitely miss this sneaky elite play and think it wasn't intentional. But the pictures don't lie.

Matthews actually does this little move here and there.

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Ahaha, I can’t believe how you’re trying to really spin it.

I’m crying, just say you misremembered, you were wrong and move on.

You said Matthews created a 2 on 1. It wasn’t a 2 on one. Marner took it to the slot himself after JT threw it in the middle, Matthews falls, doesn’t even touch the puck (which Joe Bowen even says). Matthews didn’t even get an assist on the goal, so how did he set up Marner?

Matthews literally falls. You can screen shot as many times as you want. Everyone on this board and watched the game last night knows Matthews completely blew a tire there, nothing intentional about that play.

 

[Antropovsky]

The fact he’s fourth in scoring, despite Matty being off this year, injured, it’s even more impressive to me. Certainly, final dispelled the fiction he’s carried by others.

"Off" Matthews has a better 5v5 points per 60 than "not off" Marner.

 

[Antropovsky]

Ahaha, I can’t believe how you’re trying to really spin it.

I’m crying, just say you misremembered, you were wrong and move on.

You said Matthews created a 2 on 1. It wasn’t a 2 on one. Marner took it to the slot himself after JT threw it in the middle, Matthews falls, doesn’t even touch the puck (which Joe Bowen even says). Matthews didn’t even get an assist on the goal, so how did he set up Marner?

Matthews literally falls. You can screen shot as many times as you want. Everyone on this board and watched the game last night knows Matthews completely blew a tire there, nothing intentional about that play.

You do realize I said Matthews bodies Marchand and "leaves the puck"? You need to touch the puck to be credited for an assist. That's how hockey works.

Below is a video of probably the most famous phantom assist ever, by Mario Lemiuex in the 2002 olympics. Are you gonna say Lemieux just whiffed on this pass? Guess what, Lemieux didn't get and an assist but he's credit for the play that created the goal.

 

[Confucius]

The fact he’s fourth in scoring, despite Matty being off this year, injured, it’s even more impressive to me. Certainly, final dispelled the fiction he’s carried by others.

There were a few posts in the 4 nations that alluded to, don’t expect anything from Mitch look who he is saddled with, Hagel and Cirreli , so some thought he needs players of better quality than those guys, at the least.

 

[Antropovsky]

Ahaha, I can’t believe how you’re trying to really spin it.

I’m crying, just say you misremembered, you were wrong and move on.

You said Matthews created a 2 on 1. It wasn’t a 2 on one. Marner took it to the slot himself after JT threw it in the middle, Matthews falls, doesn’t even touch the puck (which Joe Bowen even says). Matthews didn’t even get an assist on the goal, so how did he set up Marner?

Matthews literally falls. You can screen shot as many times as you want. Everyone on this board and watched the game last night knows Matthews completely blew a tire there, nothing intentional about that play.

#1 Joe Bowen doesnt say anything about Matthews falling. So you clearly don't know your Leaf hockey if you thought that was his voice.

#2 Found a better angle from the Bruins feed.

So this was Matthews tripping and falling and Marchand coincidentally being boxed out from the puck by the falling Matthews? Damn Matthews is a lucky guy.

Lol!

Love getting Matthews the credit he deserves. The OT set up by Matthews was equally as good. It's these plays that go unnoticed that Matthews does that makes him on a different level than Marner.

@francis246 tell me your thoughts on this angle.

 

[thusk]

Matthews trips and falls against Marchand, coincidentally while the puck travels past them?

Below is the sequence in photos. Matthews is closest to puck, but Matthews knows that he won't be able to do anything if he receives the pass because Marchand is too close...so instead he leaves the puck, bodies Marchand and just like that Marner is 2vs1 or 3v2, however you want to see it.

The casual hockey fan would definitely miss this sneaky elite play and think n't intentional. But the pictures don't lie.

Matthews actually does this little move here and there.

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Matthews just made a basic play player doing dozen of time in a game, let a pass goes when you know you can't touch or do anything with it... Its pretty basic, sorry. . He didn't set up the play, he just let the puck goes behind him and marner in a 2v2 ( not 2v1) decked and using Boston D as a screen. Its not Matthews who did the biggest part of this goal, it's marner. Just inverse marner and matthews on this play and you would be the 1st person to say marner did nothing and Matthews did all the job on the goal

On 3v3 yeah rielly and Matthews battled pretty hard to win puck battle and set the breakaway but he still convert it

Couple of second later of his 1st goal, he set up Timmins with Matthews shooting wide of the net on rebound. You're probably gonna say it's matthews who set up this by missing the empty net goal.



or later after pastrnak goal, this play who gave up a great scoring chance to Matthews who didn't concerted it Matthews. Yeah Matthews made a good dangle but its Marner little play who gave matthews speed and the edge to attack the bruins D but again for sure you will never talk about those play

 

[Antropovsky]

Matthews just made a basic play player doing dozen of time in a game, let a pass goes when you know you can't touch or do anything with it... Its pretty basic, sorry. . He didn't set up the play, he just let the puck goes behind him and marner in a 2v2 ( not 2v1) decked and using Boston D as a screen. Its not Matthews who did the biggest part of this goal, it's marner. Just inverse marner and matthews on this play and you would be the 1st person to say marner did nothing and Matthews did all the job on the goal

On 3v3 yeah rielly and Matthews battled pretty hard to win puck battle and set the breakaway but he still convert it

Couple of second later of his 1st goal, he set up Timmins with Matthews shooting wide of the net on rebound. You're probably gonna say it's matthews who set up this by missing the empty net goal.

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or later after pastrnak goal, this play who gave up a great scoring chance to Matthews who didn't concerted it Matthews. Yeah Matthews made a good dangle but its Marner little play who gave matthews speed and the edge to attack the bruins D but again for sure you will never talk about those play
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I quit reading after you said the play by Matthews other players do dozens times in a game.

You clearly don't know anything about NHL hockey and are just throwing $%%* at the wall at this point.

 

[notbias]

"Off" Matthews has a better 5v5 points per 60 than "not off" Marner.

Just so everyone knows... there is a 0.01 difference.

Also, Tavares > Nylander based on this metric.

You agree?

 

[francis246]

I quit reading after you said the play by Matthews other players do dozens times in a game.

You clearly don't know anything about NHL hockey and are just throwing $%%* at the wall at this point.

Lmfao the irony of this post. What a treat.

 

[Antropovsky]

Just so everyone knows... there is a 0.01 difference.

Also, Tavares > Nylander based on this metric.

You agree?

This year, Tavares "is" probably better than Nylander 5v5. Though Nylanders incredible goal scoring rate 5v5 makes it a close race.

Tavares is having an excellent under the radar season. It's his second best statistical season as a Leaf. While also starting only 49% of the time in the Ozone, which is significantly lower than any prior years in his career. In past years as a leaf he was 54% at lowest and as high as 64%. For the Islanders he was as high as 81% Ozone starts.

 

[leafs in five]

it was a nice play by Matthews to get in front of Marchand on a play that could have easily gone the other way, and a nice move and decision and finish by our Mitch on the goal (imo)

 

[Dekes For Days]

Marner has 0 5v5 point in his last 5 games. And only 1 in his past 9 games if you include 4nations. By comparison, Mackinnon has 9 5v5 points in his past 5 games lol.

5v5 P/60, 2024-2025
Marner: 2.45
Mackinnon: 2.33

 

[thewave]

5v5 P/60, 2024-2025
Marner: 2.45
Mackinnon: 2.33

This is why I stick to the playoffs. It's all I really care about. Very different story

 

[thusk]

I quit reading after you said the play by Matthews other players do dozens times in a game.

You clearly don't know anything about NHL hockey and are just throwing $%%* at the wall at this point.

You're probably need hockey 101 lesson here

I will give you an exemple where we see that play a lot during game. Player X in the the corner with the puck, a player Y come around thd board too closer to him with a defender on his back , player X made a pass in his direction but player Y let the puck pass intentionnally to the D to clear space for D. So yes Its a pretty basic play to clear space happening dozen of time during game, the only difference here it was Matthews did it on middle ice knowing marner was right behind him and not around the board, but it was the same exact thing.

 

[Nineteen67]

He looked like a player coming off a high intensity tournament, to me. Last weekend was tough on the guys that played in the 4N and the fans that watched.

 

[leafs in five]

the Matthews play on Marchand was actually pretty similar to the one Marner made on Bratt in OT vs Finland!

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I quit reading after you said the play by Matthews other players do dozens times in a game.

You clearly don't know anything about NHL hockey and are just throwing $%%* at the wall at this point.

You're probably need hockey 101 lesson here

I will give you an exemple where we see that play a lot during game. Player X in the the corner with the puck, a player Y come around thd board too closer to him with a defender on his back , player X made a pass in his direction but player Y let the puck pass intentionnally to the D to clear space for D. So yes Its a pretty basic play to clear space happening dozen of time during game, the only difference here it was Matthews did it on middle ice knowing marner was right behind him and not around the board, but it was the same exact thing.

I think you're both wrong.

You don't actually see a whole lot of these plays because if the other player isn't in control of the puck, which Marchand was not, it's interference. Thiis isn't football or basketball, this is hockey, and running a pick is a penalty every time. That's why Matthews sold it as falling over his own two feet.

He still could have taken a penalty from an overzealous referee who has it in for the Leafs.

 

[Antropovsky]

I think you're both wrong.

You don't actually see a whole lot of these plays because if the other player isn't in control of the puck, which Marchand was not, it's interference. Thiis isn't football or basketball, this is hockey, and running a pick is a penalty every time. That's why Matthews sold it as falling over his own two feet.

He still could have taken a penalty from an overzealous referee who has it in for the Leafs.

I agree, I thought the reason Matthews fell was an attempt to sell that it was accidentally contact. However, they both were reaching for the puck, so I think it wasn't likely to be a interference call.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I agree, I thought the reason Matthews fell was an attempt to sell that it was accidentally contact. However, they both were reaching for the puck, so I think it wasn't likely to be a interference call.

If that's what he was intending it was a good play by him for sure.