OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part IV - II

[Barnaby]

it’a going to be so tough to judge which landlords get relief. I doubt many, if any, do.

Not to mention the amount of “illegal apartments.” Are you going to subsidize those renters as well? I’d hope not, but you can make the argument that those landlords depend on that money as well.

 

[Leonardo87]

Big Cat Rescue to the rescue...

Tiger at Bronx Zoo tests positive for COVID-19

 

[Inferno]

Sorry but anyone who doesn’t say Tiger is either insane or insane lol

I remember the 06 PGA... Sunday. Luke Donald leading Tiger. They’re both on the practice green... 1st tee only what... 20 ft away? I’m standing on the green and Tiger walks past me to go tee off... the hair on my arms & neck stood up... the intensity was so palpable. If I had stepped in front of him, he would’ve killed me w his bare hands. I’ve only experienced that feeling, right there, that day. I wasn’t scared but I KNEW nothing was stopping him. Nothing. No one. It was cold, indifferent and as sharp as a razor. If u tried to get in the way u would get cut. Easily. His eyes and that stare... they’re something I’ll never, ever forget.

Powerful.

I wouldn't say tiger

Because golf sucks.

*Ducks*

 

[Chaels Arms]

So assuming NYC has plateaued (HUGE assumption), what are you guys' guesses for how long the stay at home order stays in effect?

Or, in other words, how long from apex to non-essential workers being able to go back to work?

 

[Ola]

So assuming NYC has plateaued (HUGE assumption), what are you guys' guesses for how long the stay at home order stays in effect?

Or, in other words, how long from apex to non-essential workers being able to go back to work?

Super legit question, and I think its talked about very quietly in the main stream media right now.

This is just my understanding of it, my speculation.

But it must of course under and scenario come down to the strategy going forward -- i.e. when will the shut down no longer be needed, then it can be lifted -- which in its turn depends on how big portion of the population have had the decease.

So if the portion of the population that have had the virus is a few percent or lower, the only option to exit the shelter in place is if you successfully can go back to being able to really fast track down and put everyone that have the virus in strict quarantine. This is of course a point we are really far from today. Italy is about a month ahead of everyone, but they are far from it too. This has nothing to do with the apex or peak of the spread. You literary need to go to zero cases in the public domain and then track and shut down every single case that breaks out again. That its what South Korea and China have done.

In this case, as I understand it, we are talking 2-3 more months if we get help from the summer, or 6-12 months if we don't.

If the portion of the population that have had the virus is up towards maybe 30 percent, its possible gradually open up the society the coming 6 months.

This of course don't take into account a miracle vacceine.

How have you guys understood this?

 

[leetch99]

So far so good here in my island Province of PEI Canada...albeit a small one of 155 thousand people. We have 22 cases known and 6 have recovered with none hospitalized so far ...all happened from international travel and no community spread . We have been pretty well shut down for almost 3 weeks now or around there . I usually do my daily drive around the area every day and shop for grub once a week . Toilet paper is no prob here . No masks around though...some Chinese guy bought them all up a month ago going from store to store . I heard this AM that a family of 3 that returned from overseas travel a week or so ago have the Virus and are on the 2nd week of quarantine ....whether it is true or not....I don't know . I won't be visiting anytime soon . There are some huge debates happening locally about whether to open up the trout fishing season in mid April or not....a simple but very popular outing for a lot of people believe it or not . An even bigger issue is for the fishermen that have Millions invested in their livelihood of fishing lobster and crab . It brings in millions of revenue for our area . The big problem is that on account of the Pandemic and no restaurants ...no consumption and thus a surplus still exists from last season for lobster and Oysters . Oysters are really cheap here these days if you want them[YUCK !!!] Anyways...a lot of Snowbirds have come back early from the US to their cottages and to avoid the clusterfuc* in so many cities . I expect many more waterfront homes /residences/cottages to be bought by their friends this year . I sure hope so ...since my own likely will be up for sale . Farmers are dumping milk....never a good sign . Potatoes will be the next produce being dumped around here . Done rambling...stay safe fellow Ranger fans . I'm just bringing a different perspective on things that is not near as bad as to what many of you NY residents are battling through...again , stay safe and wash those hands !!!

 

[NYSPORTS]

So assuming NYC has plateaued (HUGE assumption), what are you guys' guesses for how long the stay at home order stays in effect?

Or, in other words, how long from apex to non-essential workers being able to go back to work?

i’m not sure if it has plateaued. So many were wandering around NY I’m wondering if the next wave is going to be just as heavy.

stay home in effect? IDK. Imagine NY flooding both the streets and subways shortly. Tough to imagine although it would be nice.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Stay safe everyone, next 2 weeks will be mentally tough, hang in there

 

[419forever]

Sorry but anyone who doesn’t say Tiger is either insane or insane lol

I remember the 06 PGA... Sunday. Luke Donald leading Tiger. They’re both on the practice green... 1st tee only what... 20 ft away? I’m standing on the green and Tiger walks past me to go tee off... the hair on my arms & neck stood up... the intensity was so palpable. If I had stepped in front of him, he would’ve killed me w his bare hands. I’ve only experienced that feeling, right there, that day. I wasn’t scared but I KNEW nothing was stopping him. Nothing. No one. It was cold, indifferent and as sharp as a razor. If u tried to get in the way u would get cut. Easily. His eyes and that stare... they’re something I’ll never, ever forget.

Powerful.

I saw it at the '05 PGA; we took shelter underneath some trees while a brief 45-minute rainstorm halted play, probably about halfway through the final round. At the conclusion of the rain delay, out of the corner of my eye, I saw the familiar red shirt approaching us to walk back towards the course...as he got closer, it was like he had electricity popping off of every part of his body. The stare was insane, and there was a hint of a smile on his face, like he knew he was going out there for blood. I've never seen anything like it.

 

[jniklast]

Super legit question, and I think its talked about very quietly in the main stream media right now.

This is just my understanding of it, my speculation.

But it must of course under and scenario come down to the strategy going forward -- i.e. when will the shut down no longer be needed, then it can be lifted -- which in its turn depends on how big portion of the population have had the decease.

So if the portion of the population that have had the virus is a few percent or lower, the only option to exit the shelter in place is if you successfully can go back to being able to really fast track down and put everyone that have the virus in strict quarantine. This is of course a point we are really far from today. Italy is about a month ahead of everyone, but they are far from it too. This has nothing to do with the apex or peak of the spread. You literary need to go to zero cases in the public domain and then track and shut down every single case that breaks out again. That its what South Korea and China have done.

In this case, as I understand it, we are talking 2-3 more months if we get help from the summer, or 6-12 months if we don't.

If the portion of the population that have had the virus is up towards maybe 30 percent, its possible gradually open up the society the coming 6 months.

This of course don't take into account a miracle vacceine.

How have you guys understood this?

Today the strategy in Germany leaked how it is imagined to at least partly return to normal. The goal needs to be that the infection rate per infected person remains below 1 until a vaccine is available.

For this the proposed measures are:
- increasing test availability to 500k daily (currently in Germany at around 60k)
- find 80-100% of contacts of an infected person within one day and test them immediately
- quarantine people in "quarantine-hotels"
- strictly isolate Covid-19 patients from all other patients in hospitals
- wearing a face mask in public will become mandatory
- protect and isolate risk groups (ie. retirement homes and hospital visits might be restricted)
- all mass gatherings, parties (private or public) and so on will remain forbidden until a vaccine is available

If this can be done (and especially the increased testing will be very challenging), then the opinion is, that the hospitals will be able to manage the situation. And lockdown measures will be gradually lifted.
As Austria just announced starting to lift restrictions from April, 14th onwards, I would expect Germany to follow slowly on April, 20th when the current orders are set to expire as of now.

It will be interesting if this containment can then be achieved as it seems to be possible in South Korea.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Big Cat Rescue to the rescue...

Tiger at Bronx Zoo tests positive for COVID-19

wonderful, was thinking of getting kids a puppy yet concerned a dog could be a carrier. If a Tiger can, why can’t a dog be?

 

[jniklast]

wonderful, was thinking of getting kids a puppy yet concerned a dog could be a carrier. If a Tiger can, why can’t a dog be?

I think Chinese scientists did a study recently and found that while cats can under certain circumstances catch Covid-19, dogs cannot. Also infections from cat to cat seem very unlikely from first results, so if at all a cat will catch it, it will probably be from its owners.

 

[OverTheCap]

So assuming NYC has plateaued (HUGE assumption), what are you guys' guesses for how long the stay at home order stays in effect?

Or, in other words, how long from apex to non-essential workers being able to go back to work?

Even if it has plateaued in NYC, cases are still increasing on Long Island and NJ still hasn't hit the apex.

I don't think the stay at home order will be lifted until we see evidence of the curve bending downward for the entire tristate area and not just NYC.

My company keeps on saying we will return to the office in early May, but that seems very optimistic. I think sometime in June seems more realistic, but with workers coming in on a staggered schedule.

Personally, I am hesitant to go to back to the office until we have antibody tests that can tell us if we have immunity, but who knows when that will be.

 

[Krams]

Convinced my boss to let me come into the office a couple days this week, I'm going crazy. Got me a homemade mask from a camo bandanna, think it looks pretty badass

 

[True Blue]

So assuming NYC has plateaued (HUGE assumption), what are you guys' guesses for how long the stay at home order stays in effect?

Or, in other words, how long from apex to non-essential workers being able to go back to work?

I do not think that there will be much of a choice but to begin to allow things to reopen within May and continue to trickle in through June. That will come in stages (office jobs, dellis, gyms, etc.) and may well come in stages of people (high risk stay home longer). And there will also be people who choose to continue to work from home, if they can. But overall, the self isolation will need to be reversing within May.

 

[True Blue]

My company keeps on saying we will return to the office in early May, but that seems very optimistic. I think sometime in June seems more realistic, but with workers coming in on a staggered schedule.

Personally, I am hesitant to go to back to the office until we have antibody tests that can tell us if we have immunity, but who knows when that will be.

I do not believe that they have a choice but to start opening up in May. I have outlined the effects of prolonged period of isolation on both the human person as well as the economy. There will be some people that scream about it, but the gradual re-opening will probably commence in May. That has nothing to do with optimism, that has everything to do with the damaged that isolation can inflict on the long term.

But there will also be people that choose to continue to work from home, and to the extend that their company allows for it, that is fine.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm watching Cuomo now and piecing the numbers together.

All the numbers tell me we're slowly beating this thing. That's the good news.

That said, we're beating it because of how hard we've worked. We can't let up now. Everyone keep it up.

 

[Machinehead]

wonderful, was thinking of getting kids a puppy yet concerned a dog could be a carrier. If a Tiger can, why can’t a dog be?

A couple of dogs have already tested positive.

That said, it's extremely rare at this point, so I wouldn't worry.

 

[Fireonk]

I do not believe that they have a choice but to start opening up in May. I have outlined the effects of prolonged period of isolation on both the human person as well as the economy. There will be some people that scream about it, but the gradual re-opening will probably commence in May. That has nothing to do with optimism, that has everything to do with the damaged that isolation can inflict on the long term.

But there will also be people that choose to continue to work from home, and to the extend that their company allows for it, that is fine.

There is also damage on a person if you are essentially forcing them to go to work for a non-essential business with the very real risk of hitting a 2nd wave of this as soon as restrictions are loosened. Going to cause a lot of anxiety and fear and lead to a lot of confrontations when people accidentally get too close to each other.

Definitely no easy decision here.

I think tomorrow's numbers will be very important in seeing if we are really on the way out of this in NY or if it was just a slowdown in weekend reporting over the last 2 days.

 

[ecemleafs]

I'm watching Cuomo now and piecing the numbers together.

All the numbers tell me we're slowly beating this thing. That's the good news.

That said, we're beating it because of how hard we've worked. We can't let up now. Everyone keep it up.

did u see what the new cases and total tests were for today?

 

[True Blue]

There is also damage on a person if you are essentially forcing them to go to work for a non-essential business with the very real risk of hitting a 2nd wave of this as soon as restrictions are loosened. Going to cause a lot of anxiety and fear and lead to a lot of confrontations when people accidentally get too close to each other.

Definitely no easy decision here.

I think tomorrow's numbers will be very important in seeing if we are really on the way out of this in NY or if it was just a slowdown in weekend reporting over the last 2 days.

I think that we are still in the belly of the bell curve here.

I agree that there is no easy decision. But ultimately people are all going to have to make choices. As will the government. And I do not think that they latter can allow the cure to inflict more harm in the long term than the disease does in the short. This is just how I think things are going to go. Prolonged effects of isolation will include a spike in divorce rate, obesity, depression, suicide rate and an overall health decline. Then go to the economical and see entire industries wiped out. You are talking bread lines and worse at that point. I do not think that any federal or local government will be risking to take chances.

They will reopen gradually and yes some people will continue to work at home. And some non-essential business owners will have decisions to make. As will the people working for them. People need to eat and self-preservation takes over at that point, I believe. The workers at the deli that has people from the local Big 4 accounting firm getting lunches there have not been earning income. That is just a stark reality. Neither has the dry cleaners that supports them or the food truck that always parks itself at the corner.

 

[Leonardo87]

Isolation isn’t all that bad...

 

[Machinehead]

did u see what the new cases and total tests were for today?

A little over 8,000 new cases which is down even though testing is at an all-time high.

Hospitalizations way down. ICU way down. Intubations way down. Deaths flattening.

Cuomo was harsh, though. Spent most of the conference yelling at people to stay home. He doesn't want anyone to think the progress means we can start f***ing off.

 

[Fireonk]

I think that we are still in the belly of the bell curve here.

I agree that there is no easy decision. But ultimately people are all going to have to make choices. As will the government. And I do not think that they latter can allow the cure to inflict more harm in the long term than the disease does in the short. This is just how I think things are going to go. Prolonged effects of isolation will include a spike in divorce rate, obesity, depression, suicide rate and an overall health decline. Then go to the economical and see entire industries wiped out. You are talking bread lines and worse at that point. I do not think that any federal or local government will be risking to take chances.

They will reopen gradually and yes some people will continue to work at home. And some non-essential business owners will have decisions to make. As will the people working for them. People need to eat and self-preservation takes over at that point, I believe. The workers at the deli that has people from the local Big 4 accounting firm getting lunches there have not been earning income. That is just a stark reality. Neither has the dry cleaners that supports them or the food truck that always parks itself at the corner.

I am just not sure I see a solution until there is either mass testing in place for everyone or antibody testing available, that would allow us to come up with some reasonable guidelines that wouldn't lead to a massive 2nd wave. At least in NYC with its high reliance on mass transit.

Other than mass gatherings, if you are opening things back up every single business is going to start opening and expecting their workers to come in. No business can legitimately stay alive if others are back to making money and there is nothing else coming in the way of a stimulus (which there wont be if others are opening up.) So how do you legitimately stop the hospitals from being overwhelmed again in a month?

And if you do get a 2nd wave then we just need to close up shop again for another month. And then back in the same spot to worry about stopping a 3rd wave.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Most forecasts for 2nd quarter GDP are -15% to -25% which is catastrophic. The unemployment numbers are a disaster too. We have never had a health and economic crisis at the same time. It's going to take a long time for this country to get back on it's feet.