OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part III

[broadwayblue]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/26/cuomo-admits-that-quarantine-may-have-backfired-in-some-cases/

The people who got it from being quarantined with infected people likely would have gotten it anyway since they were already likely living together. If we didn't have the quarantine the numbers of infected (and dead) would no doubt be significantly higher.

 

[will1066]

she sounds like a nice lady that just wants to keep you safe so you entertain the rest of us by posting all day...try showing some gratitude LOL

Write your own Onion-style headline about a Ranger related to coronavirus:

"Rangers Goaltender Lundqvist Says He Is Running Low on Hair Products"

"After Disappointing Loss, Tortorella Refuses to Speak with Reporters, Justifying It as, 'Media Distancing'"

"Drury Defiant on Coronavirus: 'Not Going to Ruin My Weekend'"

"Coronavirus Cancels Smith's Wedding Season Plans; 'I'm Looking Forward to Next Summer'"

How did I do?

 

[Levitate]

The people in charge in Sweden have basically not shut down anything. The state epidemiologist is taking so much heat, Sweden is basically the western state taking the fewest quarantine measures despite having a fairly early wide spread outbreak. Everything is basically open, from schools to restaurants and what not. They shut down universities since they can teach online. That is about it, and public gatherings exceeding 500.

Swedes Try Laissez-Faire Model in Controversial Virus Response

The guy in charge could be right or wrong, no matter what, he got to get points for having an extremely strong psych and not just doing what everyone else is doing...

You don't get "points" for being a dumb asshole

There came a point where all choices were bad. Yes the young could infect the old at home.

it would be much much worse if everyone was still riding the subway together. Talk about busy enclosed spaces. One cough from an infected person would spread the virus for hours as people come and go. I do see the hardship coming from the economy. I would prefer to be alive and face a recession than dead and avoid one. But hey, that’s just me.

The virus doesn't linger in the air for hours in real world conditions. The paper about it lasting for 3 hours were in lab conditions assuming some aersolized situation. In the real world it's extremely unlikely if not impossible something like that would happen
That said, coughing in a crowded subway would definitely have the potential to infect a ton of people

The thing is that as bad of an economic impact as we're seeing from telling people to stay at home, thinking we can get away with softening the blow by letting more people die to open some restuarants is probably just gonna result in a lotta dead people and a still severely impacted economy
The chance to come out of this unscathed passed us by long ago when someone in the fed government should have been paying attention and saying "uhhh let's start prepping emergency supplies and shit for this, just in case"

 

[Leetch3]

Write your own Onion-style headline about a Ranger related to coronavirus:

"Rangers Goaltender Lundqvist Says He Is Running Low on Hair Products"

"After Disappointing Loss, Tortorella Refuses to Speak with Reporters, Justifying It as, 'Media Distancing'"

"Drury Defiant on Coronavirus: 'Not Going to Ruin My Weekend'"

"Coronavirus Cancels Smith's Wedding Season Plans; 'I'm Looking Forward to Next Summer'"

How did I do?

the drury one is pure gold...but hank running low on hair products is the one that you could get people on social media to believe and run with

 

[GoAwayGiannone]

If my dad has to end up going back to work while this pandemic hasn't even hit its peak here and its already a shithole, I might just end up in jail.

 

[will1066]

the drury one is pure gold...but hank running low on hair products is the one that you could get people on social media to believe and run with

"Montreal Citizens Still Rank Kreider 'Attack' on Price Worse Than Coronavirus"

Ok I'm done now

 

[Baby Duck Homme]

A close friend of mine who is an ER Doctor in Florida sent me the following. He said it is accurate. I hope it can help everyone understand this virus better.


This is a post from a colleague. Informative and to the point. Please follow the recommendations of health care professionals. Stay at home it could save lives.
-------------‐---------------------------------------
COVID is not a flu!
The following is a forward written by a dr from our own Upstate Hospital (Syracuse NY):
For anyone who knows that one person who just can’t seem to get on board with this- feel free to share.
Let me introduce myself: I am a practicing ER doctor with a Bachelors degree in cell and molecular biology/genetics and a Masters degree in public health in addition to my doctorate.
COVID is not a flu. Not even a little. Here are reasons why:
1. It is a separate species. It is no more like influenza than you are like a hippo. DIFFERENT SPECIES.
2. It is an airborne virus. This means the tiny droplets can stay in the air for a full 2 hours. So if a person coughed in aisle 4 of Target 1.5 hours ago, they may be home now but their covid cloud is still hanging there just waiting for you to walk by and take a breath. Influenza is not an airborne virus. It is droplet spread- meaning someone has to directly crop dust you with their sneeze to get you sick. Covid is much more contagious.
3. Covid is more virulent. Virulence factor is a measure of how catchy something is. For example, the flu is like beer. It takes a bunch to get you drunk. Covid is more like tequila - A little goes a long way. You need to suck up a lot of flu particles to actually catch the flu; with covid, even a few particles is enough to infect you.
4. Covid has a longer incubation than the flu. When you catch the flu, you typically get sick in the next 1-2 days. This is awesome because it means you stay at home while contagious because you feel like a heap of fried garbage. Covid has a blissful 5-9 days of symptom free time during which you are well enough to head to the movies, gym or mar-a-lago while also being contagious enough to infect everyone you encounter.
5. Covid has a longer duration of illness than flu. With covid, you have a 5-9 days of blissful asymptomatic contagiousness. This then turns into about 1 week of cough and overall feeling like hell but still surviving. Week 2 is when things hit the fan and people end up unable to breathe and on a ventilator. Many stay on the vent for up to 15 days. 5 days incubating+7 kinda sick days + 15 days on a ventilator makes for 27 days of virus spreading illness, (assuming your don’t just die of massive asphyxiation and body-wide collapse from overwhelming infection somewhere in that last week).The flu has an average incubation of 1-2 days and sick time of 7 days for a total of 9 infectious days. In the world of deadly viruses, that 18 extra days might as well be a millennia.
6. Covid is more deadly. A LOT more deadly. The flu has about a 0.2% mortality rate, meaning 2 of every thousand people who get sick with flu will die. On the contrary, the death rate from covid is reportedly 2%, so 10 times more deadly than flu. Ten times more death seems like a lot more death to me. Whats more worrisome is that 2% is actually incorrect because it doesn’t kill kids so that skews the average. With covid, age is a major factor in survival. If we don’t include people under 30, the death rate for adults is on average 4.5%. 9 out of every 200 adults that get this will die from it. Do you know 200 adults? Do you think losing 9 of them is no big deal? Since mortality increases with age in covid, the risk gets worse as you get older so if we put 100 grannies in a room with covid, only 85 would make it out alive to make pies and tell great stories of the old days... and that just sucks.
I hope that helps to clarify is why covid is in no way a flu, why you are in no way a hippo, and why staying home is the only way for non-essential people to do their part while I spend my days at work covered in a plastic poncho, sucking air through a stuffy respirator mask, leaving my scrubs in my driveway, showering the covid off at 4am when I get in, and thinking to myself “now do u still think it was just a flu?” as I risk my own life with my face 2 inches from their highly contagious, gasping mouth while I slide the plastic tube down their throat and start up the ventilator.

 

[KFC]

A close friend of mine who is an ER Doctor in Florida sent me the following. He said it is accurate. I hope it can help everyone understand this virus better.


This is a post from a colleague. Informative and to the point. Please follow the recommendations of health care professionals. Stay at home it could save lives.
-------------‐---------------------------------------
COVID is not a flu!
The following is a forward written by a dr from our own Upstate Hospital (Syracuse NY):
For anyone who knows that one person who just can’t seem to get on board with this- feel free to share.
Let me introduce myself: I am a practicing ER doctor with a Bachelors degree in cell and molecular biology/genetics and a Masters degree in public health in addition to my doctorate.
COVID is not a flu. Not even a little. Here are reasons why:
1. It is a separate species. It is no more like influenza than you are like a hippo. DIFFERENT SPECIES.
2. It is an airborne virus. This means the tiny droplets can stay in the air for a full 2 hours. So if a person coughed in aisle 4 of Target 1.5 hours ago, they may be home now but their covid cloud is still hanging there just waiting for you to walk by and take a breath. Influenza is not an airborne virus. It is droplet spread- meaning someone has to directly crop dust you with their sneeze to get you sick. Covid is much more contagious.
3. Covid is more virulent. Virulence factor is a measure of how catchy something is. For example, the flu is like beer. It takes a bunch to get you drunk. Covid is more like tequila - A little goes a long way. You need to suck up a lot of flu particles to actually catch the flu; with covid, even a few particles is enough to infect you.
4. Covid has a longer incubation than the flu. When you catch the flu, you typically get sick in the next 1-2 days. This is awesome because it means you stay at home while contagious because you feel like a heap of fried garbage. Covid has a blissful 5-9 days of symptom free time during which you are well enough to head to the movies, gym or mar-a-lago while also being contagious enough to infect everyone you encounter.
5. Covid has a longer duration of illness than flu. With covid, you have a 5-9 days of blissful asymptomatic contagiousness. This then turns into about 1 week of cough and overall feeling like hell but still surviving. Week 2 is when things hit the fan and people end up unable to breathe and on a ventilator. Many stay on the vent for up to 15 days. 5 days incubating+7 kinda sick days + 15 days on a ventilator makes for 27 days of virus spreading illness, (assuming your don’t just die of massive asphyxiation and body-wide collapse from overwhelming infection somewhere in that last week).The flu has an average incubation of 1-2 days and sick time of 7 days for a total of 9 infectious days. In the world of deadly viruses, that 18 extra days might as well be a millennia.
6. Covid is more deadly. A LOT more deadly. The flu has about a 0.2% mortality rate, meaning 2 of every thousand people who get sick with flu will die. On the contrary, the death rate from covid is reportedly 2%, so 10 times more deadly than flu. Ten times more death seems like a lot more death to me. Whats more worrisome is that 2% is actually incorrect because it doesn’t kill kids so that skews the average. With covid, age is a major factor in survival. If we don’t include people under 30, the death rate for adults is on average 4.5%. 9 out of every 200 adults that get this will die from it. Do you know 200 adults? Do you think losing 9 of them is no big deal? Since mortality increases with age in covid, the risk gets worse as you get older so if we put 100 grannies in a room with covid, only 85 would make it out alive to make pies and tell great stories of the old days... and that just sucks.
I hope that helps to clarify is why covid is in no way a flu, why you are in no way a hippo, and why staying home is the only way for non-essential people to do their part while I spend my days at work covered in a plastic poncho, sucking air through a stuffy respirator mask, leaving my scrubs in my driveway, showering the covid off at 4am when I get in, and thinking to myself “now do u still think it was just a flu?” as I risk my own life with my face 2 inches from their highly contagious, gasping mouth while I slide the plastic tube down their throat and start up the ventilator.

In regards to #2 It is not airborne unless a person is on high flow nasal cannula or receiving non-invasive mechanical ventilation, so you won't get it breathing in ambient air in target. This virus is droplet spread as well under most circumstances. Correction** it can potentially remain in the air for a little while but there isn't any evidence that is how this is spreading. In regards to #6 the 1-2% mortality rate accounts for children as well so there is no evidence of a 4.5% mortality.

 

[Khelvan]

A close friend of mine who is an ER Doctor in Florida sent me the following. He said it is accurate. I hope it can help everyone understand this virus better.


This is a post from a colleague. Informative and to the point. Please follow the recommendations of health care professionals. Stay at home it could save lives.
-------------‐---------------------------------------
COVID is not a flu!
The following is a forward written by a dr from our own Upstate Hospital (Syracuse NY):
For anyone who knows that one person who just can’t seem to get on board with this- feel free to share.
Let me introduce myself: I am a practicing ER doctor with a Bachelors degree in cell and molecular biology/genetics and a Masters degree in public health in addition to my doctorate.
COVID is not a flu. Not even a little. Here are reasons why:
1. It is a separate species. It is no more like influenza than you are like a hippo. DIFFERENT SPECIES.
2. It is an airborne virus. This means the tiny droplets can stay in the air for a full 2 hours. So if a person coughed in aisle 4 of Target 1.5 hours ago, they may be home now but their covid cloud is still hanging there just waiting for you to walk by and take a breath. Influenza is not an airborne virus. It is droplet spread- meaning someone has to directly crop dust you with their sneeze to get you sick. Covid is much more contagious.
3. Covid is more virulent. Virulence factor is a measure of how catchy something is. For example, the flu is like beer. It takes a bunch to get you drunk. Covid is more like tequila - A little goes a long way. You need to suck up a lot of flu particles to actually catch the flu; with covid, even a few particles is enough to infect you.
4. Covid has a longer incubation than the flu. When you catch the flu, you typically get sick in the next 1-2 days. This is awesome because it means you stay at home while contagious because you feel like a heap of fried garbage. Covid has a blissful 5-9 days of symptom free time during which you are well enough to head to the movies, gym or mar-a-lago while also being contagious enough to infect everyone you encounter.
5. Covid has a longer duration of illness than flu. With covid, you have a 5-9 days of blissful asymptomatic contagiousness. This then turns into about 1 week of cough and overall feeling like hell but still surviving. Week 2 is when things hit the fan and people end up unable to breathe and on a ventilator. Many stay on the vent for up to 15 days. 5 days incubating+7 kinda sick days + 15 days on a ventilator makes for 27 days of virus spreading illness, (assuming your don’t just die of massive asphyxiation and body-wide collapse from overwhelming infection somewhere in that last week).The flu has an average incubation of 1-2 days and sick time of 7 days for a total of 9 infectious days. In the world of deadly viruses, that 18 extra days might as well be a millennia.
6. Covid is more deadly. A LOT more deadly. The flu has about a 0.2% mortality rate, meaning 2 of every thousand people who get sick with flu will die. On the contrary, the death rate from covid is reportedly 2%, so 10 times more deadly than flu. Ten times more death seems like a lot more death to me. Whats more worrisome is that 2% is actually incorrect because it doesn’t kill kids so that skews the average. With covid, age is a major factor in survival. If we don’t include people under 30, the death rate for adults is on average 4.5%. 9 out of every 200 adults that get this will die from it. Do you know 200 adults? Do you think losing 9 of them is no big deal? Since mortality increases with age in covid, the risk gets worse as you get older so if we put 100 grannies in a room with covid, only 85 would make it out alive to make pies and tell great stories of the old days... and that just sucks.
I hope that helps to clarify is why covid is in no way a flu, why you are in no way a hippo, and why staying home is the only way for non-essential people to do their part while I spend my days at work covered in a plastic poncho, sucking air through a stuffy respirator mask, leaving my scrubs in my driveway, showering the covid off at 4am when I get in, and thinking to myself “now do u still think it was just a flu?” as I risk my own life with my face 2 inches from their highly contagious, gasping mouth while I slide the plastic tube down their throat and start up the ventilator.

Airborne is a really tricky term. While controlled studies have suggested that COVID-19 could exist as an aerosol, no real world studies have yet supported the idea that the virus is airborne. Hypothetically, if that were true COVID-19 would be far more virulent than its estimated R2.0-R3.0.

 

[Khelvan]

In addition to the completely justified anxiety that I, like everyone else, am experiencing, it feels surreal to be a participating witness in an event that will be discussed as part of human history for centuries.

 

[Chaels Arms]

In addition to the completely justified anxiety that I, like everyone else, am experiencing, it feels surreal to be a participating witness in an event that will be discussed as part of human history for centuries.

And that number is only going to get higher and higher.

 

[eco's bones]

Personally as far as the NHL and pro sports I think this is the way it's going to play out--MLB and NFL seasons will cancel. If there are seasons for the NBA or NHL they'll be shortened and start at the earliest in December and at the latest in early February. To me it's all going to depend on a vaccine that actually works. For a fan who wants to attend he/she are going to have to provide proof they've had the vaccine and are clean. You can't put people in arenas or stadiums in close proximity to each other without real assurance. You don't want players sharing locker rooms in close proximity to each other without assurance either. If the vaccine is several months to a year away then all this will be too.

It is what it is and we'll all have to deal with it but safety is paramount and you don't want to reignite a situation if you can avoid it. It would be irresponsible for MLB, NFL, NBA or NHL commissioners to put their players and fans at risk and I don't think they will.

 

[Ola]

You don't get "points" for being a dumb asshole



The virus doesn't linger in the air for hours in real world conditions. The paper about it lasting for 3 hours were in lab conditions assuming some aersolized situation. In the real world it's extremely unlikely if not impossible something like that would happen
That said, coughing in a crowded subway would definitely have the potential to infect a ton of people

The thing is that as bad of an economic impact as we're seeing from telling people to stay at home, thinking we can get away with softening the blow by letting more people die to open some restuarants is probably just gonna result in a lotta dead people and a still severely impacted economy
The chance to come out of this unscathed passed us by long ago when someone in the fed government should have been paying attention and saying "uhhh let's start prepping emergency supplies and shit for this, just in case"

Yeah for sure, but at the same time, all countries are different. I think the conclusion will be that some countries like in Northern Europe “shut down” a bit to early.

It’s a really hard balance act and the stakes are unimaginable high. I know that this guy, or the authority he represents, try’s to follow the scientific data they have.

What is so scary is that when everything is said and done — you will have very clear data showing who did what and how well it works. That data can easily end up pointing a finger at that dude in Sweden who did a poor job which ended up costing x,000 more lives than a comparable country.

 

[Leonardo87]

 

[NYSPORTS]

The people who got it from being quarantined with infected people likely would have gotten it anyway since they were already likely living together. If we didn't have the quarantine the numbers of infected (and dead) would no doubt be significantly higher.

Scary part if if you’re a small group and everybody gets it at the same time. If everybody is gasping and weak simultaneously, my gosh.

 

[NYSPORTS]

(1) currently has over half the Covid-19 cases in the United States. The federal govt. has 12,000 ventilators in reserve. There is a need in NYS with over 35,000 cases and the federal govt. sends NYS only 400.

(2) Cuomo complains and the above comments is what he tells Hannity.....and basically it's 'I don't give a shit' and more people are going to die because of Trump's attitude here.

(3) That he continues to comment that he wants 'to open up the country to business again' while this virus is ramping up would be f***ing insane coming from any other POTUS--from him it's par for his course and IMO opening up at this point in time is going to lead to a lot more death and dying. This is annoying for him not because people are getting sick and dying--it's annoying because on the one hand it has the potential to bite him in the ass in November's upcoming election and on the other because it's costing him money.

is anybody else confused? Can somebody explain what’s real and what’s not?

The number change hourly so can’t hold me to

1 - NYC has approx 23K people with the virus. Do we have any idea how many need ventilators? Cuomo wants 35K of ventilators. Now that might be as this continues but what about today? I keep reading multiple hospitals are both being selective as to who gets a ventilator and hospitals rejecting those with symptoms b/c they have no ventilators.

what is true? How many ventilators do we need today, how many people are being rejected at the door?

out of the 23,000 people with the Virus, how many need ventilators today? All I hear is “we need 35K” .

2- can we get the actual number? If you need 4,000 today, tell us. If multiple companies are now making ventilators then we can get likely get to 35K ventilators as you need them. What’s the point of sending 35K ventilators to Ny when 15Kplus will just sit there waiting and others need the devices elsewhere?

3- So many parts of the country have few cases. Yes, it’s going to spread. Until we get a vaccine or nature cuts us a break it’s not safe anywhere. Juggling the opening of the economy and close it is an impossible thing to manage both economically and emotionally b/c people need both their health and money.

Thoughts? Especially #1 and #2 please

 

[Ola]

Airborne is a really tricky term. While controlled studies have suggested that COVID-19 could exist as an aerosol, no real world studies have yet supported the idea that the virus is airborne. Hypothetically, if that were true COVID-19 would be far more virulent than its estimated R2.0-R3.0.

Yeah, and I think a crucial destinction is that you can get infected by breading air from a virus that is not “airborne”.

That is the big difference the weather have on viruses. If it’s cold they stay in the air a bit longer before dropping than if it is warm.

But it won’t stay in the air or spread through ventilation etc like a true airborne virus does.

 

[LORDE]

is anybody else confused? Can somebody explain what’s real and what’s not?

The number change hourly so can’t hold me to

1 - NYC has approx 23K people with the virus. Do we have any idea how many need ventilators? Cuomo wants 35K of ventilators. Now that might be as this continues but what about today? I keep reading multiple hospitals are both being selective as to who gets a ventilator and hospitals rejecting those with symptoms b/c they have no ventilators.

what is true? How many ventilators do we need today, how many people are being rejected at the door?

out of the 23,000 people with the Virus, how many need ventilators today? All I hear is “we need 35K” .

2- can we get the actual number? If you need 4,000 today, tell us. If multiple companies are now making ventilators then we can get likely get to 35K ventilators as you need them. What’s the point of sending 35K ventilators to Ny when 15Kplus will just sit there waiting and other need the devices elsewhere?

3- So many parts of the country have few cases. Yes, it’s going to spread. Until we get a vaccine or nature cuts us a break it’s not safe anywhere. Juggling the opening of the economy and close it is an impossible thing to manage both economically and emotionally b/c people need both their health and money.

Thoughts? Especially #1 and #2 please

Not trying to be a dick here but are u confusing NYC w the State of NY?

I realize NYC is the worst hit but Cuomo in the Gov of NY State... these #s double each day as well.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Not trying to be a dick here but are u confusing NYC w the State of NY?

I realize NYC is the worst hit but Cuomo in the Gov of NY State... these #s double each day as well.

the state of ny has approx 37K cases. How many are on or need ventilators today?

If the run rate calls for 35K, ok. But what if the run rate calls for 60K in a week?

 

[NYR Viper]

It's insane to me that people think this has run its course in any way at this point. Even in the hot spots they aren't testing enough people to have data

 

[Fireonk]

Spoke to my good friend who is an ICU doctor in NY. He currently has 3 times the amount of his normal patient load, getting extra shifted, and the shifts were changed to 12 hours (guessing normally 8 but I didn't ask.) Says we are months away from having this truly under control.

My wife, a nurse, is now getting patients and coworkers testing positive and she is really shaken.

Not trying to scare anyone, just trying to give some inside anecdotal information. Opening things back up by Easter seems like a crazy pipe dream to me and it doesn't make sense to put a time limit on things until the numbers start trending back down instead of continuing its exponential growth. If Trump tries to force the economy before the health care system starts easing its burden there will be a lot of blood on his hands.

 

[Baby Duck Homme]

is anybody else confused? Can somebody explain what’s real and what’s not?

The number change hourly so can’t hold me to

1 - NYC has approx 23K people with the virus. Do we have any idea how many need ventilators? Cuomo wants 35K of ventilators. Now that might be as this continues but what about today? I keep reading multiple hospitals are both being selective as to who gets a ventilator and hospitals rejecting those with symptoms b/c they have no ventilators.

what is true? How many ventilators do we need today, how many people are being rejected at the door?

out of the 23,000 people with the Virus, how many need ventilators today? All I hear is “we need 35K” .

2- can we get the actual number? If you need 4,000 today, tell us. If multiple companies are now making ventilators then we can get likely get to 35K ventilators as you need them. What’s the point of sending 35K ventilators to Ny when 15Kplus will just sit there waiting and others need the devices elsewhere?

3- So many parts of the country have few cases. Yes, it’s going to spread. Until we get a vaccine or nature cuts us a break it’s not safe anywhere. Juggling the opening of the economy and close it is an impossible thing to manage both economically and emotionally b/c people need both their health and money.

Thoughts? Especially #1 and #2 please

Here is how the infection is spreading in the US:


Total confirmed U.S. coronavirus cases at end of each Tuesday:
• Jan. 14 — 0
• Jan. 21 — 1
• Jan. 28 — 5
• Feb. 4 — 11
• Feb. 11 — 14
• Feb. 18 — 25
• Feb. 25 — 59
• Mar. 3 — 125
• Mar. 10 — 1,004
• Mar. 17 — 5,902
• Mar. 24 — 53,478

as you can see the infection rate is exploding. A certain percentage will need ventilators but those that need them have them for 15 days. As you can see demand for respirators will surpass supply especially in hot spots.

Our government is capable of using the DPA to order factories to start making respirators like we had car factories make tanks during WWII. That is NOT being done.

Our government seems to think that providing respirators is some sort of reward to states. It is not. It is a necessity. I am very alarmed at this and everyone else n or around a hotspot such as NYC should be too.

 

[Leetch3]

It's insane to me that people think this has run its course in any way at this point. Even in the hot spots they aren't testing enough people to have data

i'm not sure that anyone thinks that...I think that there are people that don't care

 

[Irishguy42]

My fiancee's father works EM in a local hospital by us.

From texts we've gotten, they've been told that due to the shortage of proper N95 masks and whatnot, they need to take their used ones and put them in the oven for 30 minutes before they use them again. Disgusting and horrible medical protection. But our president* thinks that Cuomo is wrong and NYC/NYS doesn't need 30k ventilators* (they do). Hospitals need these supplies produced on an emergency level. Not on the level of "oh, these companies are doing what they can out of the kindness of their hearts/what we'll buy from them to distribute later."

We're going to bed each night worried that he or her sister, who is immuno-comprimised, will contract the virus and die.

 

[Khelvan]

is anybody else confused? Can somebody explain what’s real and what’s not?

The number change hourly so can’t hold me to

1 - NYC has approx 23K people with the virus. Do we have any idea how many need ventilators? Cuomo wants 35K of ventilators. Now that might be as this continues but what about today? I keep reading multiple hospitals are both being selective as to who gets a ventilator and hospitals rejecting those with symptoms b/c they have no ventilators.

what is true? How many ventilators do we need today, how many people are being rejected at the door?

out of the 23,000 people with the Virus, how many need ventilators today? All I hear is “we need 35K” .

2- can we get the actual number? If you need 4,000 today, tell us. If multiple companies are now making ventilators then we can get likely get to 35K ventilators as you need them. What’s the point of sending 35K ventilators to Ny when 15Kplus will just sit there waiting and others need the devices elsewhere?

3- So many parts of the country have few cases. Yes, it’s going to spread. Until we get a vaccine or nature cuts us a break it’s not safe anywhere. Juggling the opening of the economy and close it is an impossible thing to manage both economically and emotionally b/c people need both their health and money.

Thoughts? Especially #1 and #2 please

My thoughts are this: Ventilators NEED to be present before they are required to be in use, because a patient will die if they aren't provided a ventilator the moment it is required. 35K is the number of ventilators that will be in use within two weeks according to Cuomo's medical experts. You can't just say "we only need x amount today" because x amount is the number of people who will die if they don't have ventilators today.

New York hospitals are literally sharing ventilators, which is bad for patients, because the other option is death. For some reason formatting isn't working, so I'll direct link the article here:
‘The Other Option Is Death’: New York Starts Sharing of Ventilators

That's a New York Times quote. I will repeat: New York hospitals are having to share ventilators between patients, sub-optimal care for two patients, because the other option is death.

New York needs 35k ventilators NOW because every moment people are dying without them. Listen to your governor, he clearly listens to his medical experts.

2) Companies need to be paid to, or directed to by the government, make those ventilators and distribute them. Without direction from the federal government, this doesn't happen, or states are left on their own to try and figure this out (see the deal the state of California made with Elon Musk/Tesla to get ventilators). This should be happening at the federal level. It is not.

People are dying because of it.

3) If millions of people are infected, people will not have both their health and money regardless. Shut the country down before people or dying, or shut it down with far, far more deaths happening. Those are your only choices.