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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XIII

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Will you get the vaccine?

  • Yes - whichever is available

    Votes: 44 49.4%

  • Yes, - mRNA version

    Votes: 8 9.0%

  • Yes - Vector / Protein

    Votes: 5 5.6%

  • No.

    Votes: 25 28.1%

  • Already got it.

    Votes: 7 7.9%
  • Total voters
    89
  • Poll closed .
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justashadowof said:
Please list the published (and reproducible) clinical trial for each vaccine variant that has been completed to demonstrate scientifically the efficacy of each vaccine protecting against the severity of COVID-19 infections. Hint: you won't be able to do this because they don't exist. WE ARE THE CLINICAL TRIAL. And a really, really poorly controlled clinical trial that won't be producing quality data.

P.S. I don't care whether or not anyone decides to take one of these vaccines. I just want to spread knowledge of the circumstances of what you're dutifully following. Unlike you lot I don't think it's my right to force you to do what I think you should do. I'm anti-authoritarian.
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Uhh sure that's easy. The published clinical trials do exist, in fact they're in the public record.

Here's the results from Pfizer's clinical trial: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

Moderna: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389

Astrazeneca: Phase III Double-blind, Placebo-controlled Study of AZD1222 for the Prevention of COVID-19 in Adults - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov
 
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What is going on with the Covid stats for Ontario? One day they test 50,ooo and get 1500 positives. The very next they test 30,000 and get 1500 positives. How can that be? It seems to be consistently like that. How come it doesn't follow if you test almost double you don't get double the positives and vice versa ofcourse.
 
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Future said:
You’re right. I’m not leaving my house for the next 20 years. Thanks for the advice.
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I didn't say that. As simply as I can say it. Vaccines don't work on all people. You don't really know if it didn't work on you until you get sick. The only way to protect yourself is to surround yourself with people who have been vaccinated. Therefore, if everyone gets vaccinated, we will ALL be surrounded by people who have been vaccinated and we will achieve herd immunity and things will go back to normal.
 
Confucius said:
What is going on with the Covid stats for Ontario? One day they test 50,ooo and get 1500 positives. The very next they test 30,000 and get 1500 positives. How can that be? It seems to be consistently like that. How come it doesn't follow if you test almost double you don't get double the positives and vice versa ofcourse.
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It has been like that all along.

Then either a 300 jump or decline.
 
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Confucius said:
What is going on with the Covid stats for Ontario? One day they test 50,ooo and get 1500 positives. The very next they test 30,000 and get 1500 positives. How can that be? It seems to be consistently like that. How come it doesn't follow if you test almost double you don't get double the positives and vice versa ofcourse.
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I think you have to look at an avg 2 day lag ie someone gets tested today and finds out of they are positive or negative 1/2/3 days later ... so testing does not match results ... it will be tomorrow and Friday when you see bump up from yesterday's testing and then you will know what results of 3rd wave is ... but I think that is how its been from day 1
 
JT AM da real deal said:
I think you have to look at an avg 2 day lag ie someone gets tested today and finds out of they are positive or negative 1/2/3 days later ... so testing does not match results ... it will be tomorrow and Friday when you see bump up from yesterday's testing and then you will know what results of 3rd wave is ... but I think that is how its been from day 1
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Well in the beginning it seemed they tested as many as possible and as the weeks went on they tested more and more. Until we hit a peak of lets say 60,000 test performed.

Now it seems there are swings in the number of tests performed one day 50,000 the next day 25,000 the next day 50,000 again the following day 25,000 again. Yet the number of positives never swings like that. We don't get 1500 one day 3,000 the next followed by 1500 then back to 3000 again.

To use an analogy, if I stick my hand into a bucket with different coloured beads and come out with 10 red ones. How come if I stick my hand in twice I still only have 10 red ones in total? shouldn't I get 20?

I know the numbers are never exactly the same but they never halve or double either. They may increase anywhere from 100 to 300 more but never 1500 which I would expect.
 
Confucius said:
Well in the beginning it seemed they tested as many as possible and as the weeks went on they tested more and more. Until we hit a peak of lets say 60,000 test performed.

Now it seems there are swings in the number of tests performed one day 50,000 the next day 25,000 the next day 50,000 again the following day 25,000 again. Yet the number of positives never swings like that. We don't get 1500 one day 3,000 the next followed by 1500 then back to 3000 again.

To use an analogy, if I stick my hand into a bucket with different coloured beads and come out with 10 red ones. How come if I stick my hand in twice I still only have 10 red ones in total? shouldn't I get 20?

I know the numbers are never exactly the same but they never halve or double either. They may increase anywhere from 100 to 300 more but never 1500 which I would expect.
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Yes Monday and Tuesday few tests ... hospitals ramp up employee testing on Wednesdays so it goes up through Sunday ... then drops again on Mondays and Tuesdays
 
JT AM da real deal said:
Yes Monday and Tuesday few tests ... hospitals ramp up employee testing on Wednesdays so it goes up through Sunday ... then drops again on Mondays and Tuesdays
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Yep but the results for positive tests never are that extreme from day to day.
Today ........52,000 tests...... 1571 positives
Yesterday ..32,000 tests ... 1546 positives

It is always like that number of tests could be a big swing from day to day. But the results always about the same. I find it weird. lol!
 
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Confucius said:
What is going on with the Covid stats for Ontario? One day they test 50,ooo and get 1500 positives. The very next they test 30,000 and get 1500 positives. How can that be? It seems to be consistently like that. How come it doesn't follow if you test almost double you don't get double the positives and vice versa ofcourse.
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It's rapid tests vs PCR tests.

You end up with a higher positivity rate pretty well 100% of the time with PCR depending on where the cycle threshold is used at. Loads of false positives in there of course.
 
Confucius said:
Yep but the results for positive tests never are that extreme from day to day.
Today ........52,000 tests...... 1571 positives
Yesterday ..32,000 tests ... 1546 positives

It is always like that number of tests could be a big swing from day to day. But the results always about the same. I find it weird. lol!
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Must be the new double mutant variant
 
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Yep but the results for positive tests never are that extreme from day to day.
Today ........52,000 tests...... 1571 positives
Yesterday ..32,000 tests ... 1546 positives

It is always like that number of tests could be a big swing from day to day. But the results always about the same. I find it weird. lol!
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There are a lot of weird anomalies in the test data.



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Mostly I find the following curious:

- Why does the testing volume so consistently swing back and forth? And if you check the exact dates, the valleys are all mid week. I assume this is one of two things: a) People get tested more on the weekend or b) People get tested less on the weekend and there's a lag in when the data's reported.

- Why does the positivity rate go up when the testing volume goes up? This I have no explanation for and it seems a little suspect. There should be no correlation between testing volume and positivity rate and there is no reason I can think of for the positivity rate to fluctuate in such a consistent pattern.
 
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They speak with authority and lecture on subject matter they clearly know little about, parroting phrasing they've heard elsewhere.

666 said:
I didn't say that. As simply as I can say it. Vaccines don't work on all people. You don't really know if it didn't work on you until you get sick. The only way to protect yourself is to surround yourself with people who have been vaccinated. Therefore, if everyone gets vaccinated, we will ALL be surrounded by people who have been vaccinated and we will achieve herd immunity and things will go back to normal.
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The Hanging Jowl said:
There are a lot of weird anomalies in the test data.



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Mostly I find the following curious:

- Why does the testing volume so consistently swing back and forth? And if you check the exact dates, the valleys are all mid week. I assume this is one of two things: a) People get tested more on the weekend or b) People get tested less on the weekend and there's a lag in when the data's reported.

- Why does the positivity rate go up when the testing volume goes up? This I have no explanation for and it seems a little suspect. There should be no correlation between testing volume and positivity rate and there is no reason I can think of for the positivity rate to fluctuate in such a consistent pattern.
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Trust the government at your own risk.
 
The Hanging Jowl said:
There are a lot of weird anomalies in the test data.



View attachment 412214 View attachment 412215



Mostly I find the following curious:

- Why does the testing volume so consistently swing back and forth? And if you check the exact dates, the valleys are all mid week. I assume this is one of two things: a) People get tested more on the weekend or b) People get tested less on the weekend and there's a lag in when the data's reported.

- Why does the positivity rate go up when the testing volume goes up? This I have no explanation for and it seems a little suspect. There should be no correlation between testing volume and positivity rate and there is no reason I can think of for the positivity rate to fluctuate in such a consistent pattern.
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I thought that too ... asked my doc buddy and he said hospitals do their testing Wednesday - Friday in Peel/Toronto and testing volumes at hospitals make up da lions share of results so it creates this mid week bump ... clinics and pharmacies are pretty much same every day volumes ... get ready to ride da wave baby ... here we come ... likely 5,000 cases/day in greater Toronto area late April ... there will likely be a push to vaccinate Peel and Toronto 1st as really so very few cases around rest of province of Ontario ... and very likely it will eliminate da spread in schools and condos where most of us live
 
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