Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XIII

[Thissiteisgarbage]

No, its not the same as comparing covid to the flu because there's been nothing to suggest that covid vaccines are any more dangerous than other vaccines

That's why they halted distribution of the AZ vaccine in Europe over fears of dangerous side effects.

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

Well if you target one country while allowing tens of thousands of people to come in from Europe and USA, where we now know the virus explosion in Canada came from, yeah it an uneducated action, xenophobic.

Just. Wow.
People think like that now.
Scary.

 

[Pink Mist]

That's why they halted distribution of the AZ vaccine in Europe over fears of dangerous side effects.

And that's why they've resumed distribution this week because the fears of side effects were unfounded

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Love that you see the point itself as an insult and have no reply. It's a simple statement of fact. The decision to not get a vaccine is not a lifestyle. Facing repercussions for that decision is not discrimination on a protected ground.

What are you goung on about man. You don’t have any rights. Just a bird to flip. I don’t need to fly around the world in a time like this. I don’t need to patronize any establishment or buy anything online if I don’t want to. I can be pretty discriminating myself if I don’t like something. My money doesn’t like certain people

Money talks and B.S walks. Ordering online for instance. Get a cart filled,go to checkout, they have a required field for my birthdate. Won’t proceed without it. I cancel everything. They lose. Not sure if anyone on here is selling product online but that is a very stupid business decision to require personal info to that degree

I have a line. Anyone can cross it. Go for it i say Edit: i forgot my point. They discriminate at will. It is built in. It’s all about the line crossing.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

What part of this are you taking personal? That being anti-vax is objectively wrong or that it's none of
-a lifestyle
-a political view
-a protected creed/religion etc.

I’m not taking it. Do you know why? Don’t answer you don’t know. Objectively speaking.

 

[GoonieFace]

Well considering the doctors in those countries have resumed vaccinating people with them, maybe you should consider listening to them instead as well

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ema-astrazeneca-oxford-vaccine-safety-1.5954427

I don’t think medical professionals are the most trustworthy, just saying. I can absolutely see why some people do not want this particular vaccination.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Hopefully we get enough vaccinated before summer that things can get back to normalish.

Now if too many opt out it just means more restrictions and those that are suffering will continue to do so.

Seems like a strong financial reason to get vaccinated, but not everyone is concerned about people's financial health.

Looking at the straw poll, 59% would take the vaccine, number would be lower when kids included.
So that will not get herd immunity. So strict measures will likely continue.

 

[IPS]

Your desire for complete obedience to the system isn't my problem and neither is your definition of 'lifestyle'. Injecting yourself with virtually untested, rushed to market toxic poisons with yet-to-be known long term side effects is your call. To call it a 'discrete action' is laughable at best and quite insulting at worst.
For the record, you can see my original post where I claimed I wanted to wait a year or so to see what happens to people like you. You want to effectively FORCE me into taking it now or deny me healthcare - even if as a vaccinated person, you gave me the disease.

You know we do actually have a precedent for a hastily developed vaccine and it's not a very favorable one at all. Pandemrix - for the swine flu back in 2009, and it caused several narcolepsy epidemics and led to a lot of lawsuits against vaccine companies.
These types of folks who are out here championing the absolute safety of the covid vaccines don't seem like very strong students of history

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I don’t think medical professionals are the most trustworthy, just saying. I can absolutely see why some people do not want this particular vaccination.

Oh is there a perceived obligation to trust anyone! I didn’t know that i had to trust anyone ha

 

[GoonieFace]

You know we do actually have a precedent for a hastily developed vaccine and it's not a very favorable one at all. Pandemrix - for the swine flu back in 2009, and it caused several narcolepsy epidemics and led to a lot of lawsuits against vaccine companies.
These types of folks who are out here championing the absolute safety of the covid vaccines don't seem like very strong students of history

Guess that’s why these companies get immunity to any potential lawsuits. Scary.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

"Research doesn't back vaccine dose delay for seniors, Canada's chief science adviser says"

Research doesn't back vaccine dose delay for seniors, Canada's chief science adviser says

So Tam and our health minister say waiting 4 months is OK but our chief science advisor says no.

But I was told to listen to the experts and that the science is settled. What gives? My wife's a front line worker by the way and is on the 4 month waiting list for her second shot. Kinda hits close to home.

 

[Ciao]

Looking at the straw poll, 59% would take the vaccine, number would be lower when kids included.
So that will not get herd immunity. So strict measures will likely continue.

59% of adults would be a good start.

The variants are so virulent that a substantial number of the anti-vaxxers may gain immunity anyway -- the hard way -- through community transmission.

One way or another, I don't think this train will stop until herd immunity is achieved, one way or another. The only questions are how long that will take, how many people will be infected, and how many mutations will arise while the virus is allowed to continue to thrive.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Guess that’s why these companies get immunity to any potential lawsuits. Scary.

F***** true. Hey man. Conformity is bliss

 

[stealth1]

The last few pages sound like a bunch of bitter old men arguing in here. All I picture is Grandpa Simpson yelling at clouds.

In all honesty things are getting better. They are dropping restrictions everywhere. A few more months and outside of wearing masks possibly things will more back to normal.

As far as media goes, I really only pay attention to my local news and sports news. Mainstream and the underground stuff is all rhetoric. Both trying to sell crap.

 

[Bluelines]

Just. Wow.
People think like that now.
Scary.

Yes, logically is a solid way to think, yes people think like that now.

What is the point in targeting a country that sends approx 500k people here each year (China) vs leaving travel open with a country that sends 22 million people each year and is struggling to manage the spread of the virus?

USA - 22 million
EU - 2 million (approx)
China - 500k.

The only reason why you would target China and not the US and EU, is either lack of education on the subject or political victory points for your poorly educated fan base.

 

[Bluelines]

I’m not taking it. Do you know why? Don’t answer you don’t know. Objectively speaking.

You have a rippling six pack and are worried it will turn into a jelly roll?

 

[Bluelines]

The last few pages sound like a bunch of bitter old men arguing in here. All I picture is Grandpa Simpson yelling at clouds.

In all honesty things are getting better. They are dropping restrictions everywhere. A few more months and outside of wearing masks possibly things will more back to normal.

As far as media goes, I really only pay attention to my local news and sports news. Mainstream and the underground stuff is all rhetoric. Both trying to sell crap.

Well that is the most insul... that is the most condecen... that is... uhhhh... crap... I resemble that comment!!!

 

[PromisedLand]

I got to disagree, some people can’t take the vaccine, others are not confident it’s safe. Both of these reasons have no baring on “voiding” your right to health care imo. Some Ontario motorcycle riders are exempt from wearing helmets for religious reasons, but they’re not having their health care denied in the event of a accident. Those who choose not to be vaccinated should continue with all the protocols now in place to ensure both themselves and others are not exposed to the virus because of irresponsible behaviour.

Thats fair. I did not think it through. That said, folks deciding not to take the vaccine except for the ones who really cannot take the vaccine IMO should bear the consequences. Plenty of countries' medical experts have deemed it to be safe - unless someone has a medical background and they are saying "not safe" fine but if they don't I am not sure I want to take their advice. And if push comes to shove where they decided not take the medicine and there are severe health complications no reason to give them priority over someone that needs medical attention -> ex: cancer patients

Get out man. You tax doesn’t pay for squat. It barely pays for you kid or grand kid to ride the bus to school. Pretty self entitled b.s to me. So as a healthy dude I’m supposed to feel entitled because i never put any monetary expense on the system.

No that is how a society works. Your tax dollars are used not just for "medical help" but also for roads, education, etc... it is a big pool of money that is allocated.

Just because someone is genetically blessed doesn't mean they are also intellectually blessed to make big money unless you are play pro-sports, movie actor etc... More often than not folks require help one way or another. People on purpose deciding not to take the vaccine while they have no pre-existing medical conditions; and then develop severe covid symptoms and burden healthcare are the ones who have to be called out.

Yes, I don’t see how it is any different than heavy smokers or obese over-eaters. Actually, those two groups are much more strenuous to the healthcare system. But tax payers pay for their healthcare every day. Should we refuse them treatment too?

Folks that smoke cigarettes pay "tobacco tax". For the obese population; more often than not the obesity issue is found in the household that cannot afford healthy food because it is too expensive. For the over eaters who indulge I do not have any counter argument. For them may be further digging is required as to why they actually overeat "depression, anxiety"etc...??

This is dated. There are already reports that show that vaccines not only prevent illness and death in the vaccine receiver, they are slowing down spread. Health systems are recommending that public messaging reflect that.

But that is thing I had argued in my post to which you replied. Vaccinations are "not" going to help slow the spread. Vaccinations are shown to reduce severe covid symptoms if you get covid it hasn't shown (to my knowledge) yet to reduce the spread

 

[Bluelines]

Guess that’s why these companies get immunity to any potential lawsuits. Scary.

The government is welcoming lawsuits for taking away peoples civil liberties. In democratic states, there is a concept no one is above the law. By giving these companies blanket immunity they are essentially saying you could put bleach in those viles and no one can be held accountable. That is plain wrong.

Country says hey its safe no reason why you shouldn't take it. They are giving their stamp of approval and taking the liability. A good lawyer would think if I can't sue the company, I'm gonna sue the country.

 

[stealth1]

Well that is the most insul... that is the most condecen... that is... uhhhh... crap... I resemble that comment!!!

When this all started I did get all worked up about all the restrictions in place. I missed out on visiting amusement parks and travel but since then I have tried my best to live with the rules in place. It's not worth getting all worked up about.

With the vaccine rollout getting better as each day goes by we are getting close to the end.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Bluelines]

When this all started I did get all worked up about all the restrictions in place. I missed out on visiting amusement parks and travel but since then I have tried my best to live with the rules in place. It's not worth getting all worked up about.

With the vaccine rollout getting better as each day goes by we are getting close to the end.

I would agree, it's a lot of bitchn' and moanin' for no reason. I live in the country so I can kind of do my own thing. Outside of wearing a mask in public my life has changed zero % since this thing hit last year. If I want to see friends we hop on the ATV trails and go for a rip.

We live in a time where everyone is angry and outraged for some reason or another. Everyone has their own special interest and they get offended when you are not outraged about their issue as much as they are. It's almost like if you are not angry about something, you are invisible.

 

[rumman]

You know we do actually have a precedent for a hastily developed vaccine and it's not a very favorable one at all. Pandemrix - for the swine flu back in 2009, and it caused several narcolepsy epidemics and led to a lot of lawsuits against vaccine companies.
These types of folks who are out here championing the absolute safety of the covid vaccines don't seem like very strong students of history

Well no one will be able to sue for adverse reactions on this vaccine, big pharma made sure they got a worldwide hall pass, if they’re so safe why the need for said hall pass? Enquiring mind would like to know..........

 

[Bluelines]

Well no one will be able to sue for adverse reactions on this vaccine, big pharma made sure they got a worldwide hall pass, if they’re so safe why the need for said hall pass? Enquiring mind would like to know..........

They wouldn't speed up the development if they didn't get a Get out of jail free card. I still think the government is opening itself up to lawsuits by not following proper protocol.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Thats fair. I did not think it through. That said, folks deciding not to take the vaccine except for the ones who really cannot take the vaccine IMO should bear the consequences. Plenty of countries' medical experts have deemed it to be safe - unless someone has a medical background and they are saying "not safe" fine but if they don't I am not sure I want to take their advice. And if push comes to shove where they decided not take the medicine and there are severe health complications no reason to give them priority over someone that needs medical attention -> ex: cancer patients




No that is how a society works. Your tax dollars are used not just for "medical help" but also for roads, education, etc... it is a big pool of money that is allocated.

Just because someone is genetically blessed doesn't mean they are also intellectually blessed to make big money unless you are play pro-sports, movie actor etc... More often than not folks require help one way or another. People on purpose deciding not to take the vaccine while they have no pre-existing medical conditions; and then develop severe covid symptoms and burden healthcare are the ones who have to be called out.




Folks that smoke cigarettes pay "tobacco tax". For the obese population; more often than not the obesity issue is found in the household that cannot afford healthy food because it is too expensive. For the over eaters who indulge I do not have any counter argument. For them may be further digging is required as to why they actually overeat "depression, anxiety"etc...??



But that is thing I had argued in my post to which you replied. Vaccinations are "not" going to help slow the spread. Vaccinations are shown to reduce severe covid symptoms if you get covid it hasn't shown (to my knowledge) yet to reduce the spread

The over reaction is not justification of a person who would deny medical attention to any living creature. Karma is a treat enjoy it