Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XII

[ULF_55]

No idea ... just talking to my dad and he thinks it is a complete joke that his buddies death goes down in records as COVID

I posted a website link , that defined the years of life lost due to COVID-19.

Now this gets tricky, but someone who dies of COVID-19 at age 82, would count for many less years than someone who dies of COVID-19 at age 38.

I thought that was a more realistic scenario, if COVID-19 is the cause of death, whether healthy or diminished in health, it can be the overriding factor in those lost years.

I'm greedy/selfish, I want all my years, and looking at genetics, that should be another 23-25. I want as many as I can get.

 

[Crazy Monkey]

My solution is to stop testing. If someone died of a heart attack, why are they testing for covid? It was a heart attack and likely 99% of the reason they died was because of cardiovascular problems.

Just because you stop testing doesn't mean something doesnt exist, though. Doesn't really get to the root of the issue

If someone has COPD, and their infection with COVID is what tips them over, then it is COVID related. Same thing does for MIs. They are not mutually exclusive of each other, which is why it's so hard to categorize

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Just because you stop testing doesn't mean something doesnt exist, though. Doesn't really get to the root of the issue

If someone has COPD, and their infection with COVID is what tips them over, then it is COVID related. Same thing does for MIs. They are not mutually exclusive of each other, which is why it's so hard to categorize

But they aren't testing for a myriad of other diseases when someone has a heart attack or dies of something else. What makes Covid so special in that regard?

 

[Crazy Monkey]

But they aren't testing for a myriad of other diseases when someone has a heart attack or dies of something else. What makes Covid so special in that regard?

Couple of reasons:

1. The viruses that have traditionally caused problems year after year (like influenza and RSV in children) are no where to be found

2. During non-COVID times, hospitalized patients with respiratory symptoms have always been swabbed for a myriad of viruses. The impact of COVID (ie the number of people that it has made really sick) trumps all of these

3. During this past winter, they were testing for influenza on all Covid swabs for hospitalized/ER patients. These two viruses are known to make those with chronic illness (especially those with underlying cardiorespiratory disease) sick. Essentially no influenza and a shit load of COVID has been found

Honestly, I would be really interested to know what is the relative breakdown of covid related deaths (ie what number have died from respiratory failure, clots, etc from COVID and what number died from something secondary like MIs). My guess is that the vast majority of the reported deaths come from primary cardiorespiratory failure directly due to COVID

 

[Bluelines]

You mean related to the unnecessary lockdowns caused by Covid-19. How deadly can something really be if the strong majority of people who test positive don’t even develop symptoms. Take away the vulnerable age group of 80+ and this is not even a story.

Coming up on 3 million dead, with modern medicine helping. That is how deadly. Take away the thousands of teen suicides every year and how deadly can teen suicide be?

Newsflash, last time I checked every life matters, even seniors.

 

[Bluelines]

You mean related to the unnecessary lockdowns caused by Covid-19. How deadly can something really be if the strong majority of people who test positive don’t even develop symptoms. Take away the vulnerable age group of 80+ and this is not even a story.

Unnecessary lockdowns? Ok I'll bite how many fewer people would have died if we didn't have mitigation strategies in place?

All the way from governments are colluding with business to profit, to big pharma started this to increase their profits, to the government is testing lockdowns for some future fascist people/population control measures. There are some real wackadoodles out there that think this thing is more than just a virus that is spreading rapidly through the worlds population.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Sometimes I wonder if some people only talk about COVID all day. Must really put a strain on their friend/family life.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Sometimes I wonder if some people only talk about COVID all day. Must really put a strain on their friend/family life.

It's, you know, kind of a big deal right now.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Couple of reasons:

1. The viruses that have traditionally caused problems year after year (like influenza and RSV in children) are no where to be found

2. During non-COVID times, hospitalized patients with respiratory symptoms have always been swabbed for a myriad of viruses. The impact of COVID (ie the number of people that it has made really sick) trumps all of these

3. During this past winter, they were testing for influenza on all Covid swabs for hospitalized/ER patients. These two viruses are known to make those with chronic illness (especially those with underlying cardiorespiratory disease) sick. Essentially no influenza and a shit load of COVID has been found

TBH, none of these address the point I was making. Someone that died of a car accident in past years wasn't tested for the flu. They're testing people in that situation for covid now though and marking it down as a covid death in many if not all jurisdictions. I'm not calling it a conspiracy or something, I'm just saying that makes it difficult to compare covid deaths to flu deaths (for example) apples to apples.

Honestly, I would be really interested to know what is the relative breakdown of covid related deaths (ie what number have died from respiratory failure, clots, etc from COVID and what number died from something secondary like MIs). My guess is that the vast majority of the reported deaths come from primary cardiorespiratory failure directly due to COVID

Well that's probably inarguable.

 

[Confucius]

Sometimes I wonder if some people only talk about COVID all day. Must really put a strain on their friend/family life.

Friends what friends, I've been locked down for 3 months. I'm all dressedup and nowhere to go. As for family they've had enough of me, I could be a statistic on the crime blotter soon. I just best stay out of their way and annoy internet strangers. It's how I cope. LOL!

 

[Pink Mist]

TBH, none of these address the point I was making. Someone that died of a car accident in past years wasn't tested for the flu. They're testing people in that situation for covid now though and marking it down as a covid death in many if not all jurisdictions. I'm not calling it a conspiracy or something, I'm just saying that makes it difficult to compare covid deaths to flu deaths (for example) apples to apples.



Well that's probably inarguable.

This commonly cited Covid death car accident is because the guy crashed his car while having a coughing fit lmao. And he didn't die from injuries sustained in the accident but from respiratory failure while at the hospital

John Hopkins COVID study: Car crash deaths not reported as COVID | wusa9.com

 

[GoonieFace]

Coming up on 3 million dead, with modern medicine helping. That is how deadly. Take away the thousands of teen suicides every year and how deadly can teen suicide be?

Newsflash, last time I checked every life matters, even seniors.

I agree, every life does matter, I’m not a psychopath. Let’s put it this way. Costco and Walmart have been open this whole time, letting hundreds of people in the store. Odds are most of those morons will not adhere to social distancing. But I can’t go visit a few friends, can’t watch kids play sports in a large field the size of Walmart with 10 kids spread out. Can’t get a haircut while wearing a mask. Travel stayed open for some reason, if they were serious they would have completely shut it down day one. Lockdowns do not work if people can still gather at stores etc. They are all just forced to the same stores instead of spreading it out. This is why it’s a joke.

 

[Pink Mist]

Speaking of Covid-19 deaths, here's a first...

COVID-19 patient dies after rare 3-hour erection in hospital - National | Globalnews.ca

 

[Confucius]

Speaking of Covid-19 deaths, here's a first...

COVID-19 patient dies after rare 3-hour erection in hospital - National | Globalnews.ca

Well the guy died Happy.
R I P

 

[Bluelines]

Speaking of Covid-19 deaths, here's a first...

COVID-19 patient dies after rare 3-hour erection in hospital - National | Globalnews.ca

I knew my wife was not at Bingo last Thursday night!!!!

 

[Bluelines]

Well the guy died Happy.
R I P

Jesus now a boner can kill you!!!??? So how did they close the coffin lid?

 

[Crazy Monkey]

TBH, none of these address the point I was making. Someone that died of a car accident in past years wasn't tested for the flu. They're testing people in that situation for covid now though and marking it down as a covid death in many if not all jurisdictions. I'm not calling it a conspiracy or something, I'm just saying that makes it difficult to compare covid deaths to flu deaths (for example) apples to apples.



Well that's probably inarguable.

I thought I did

I don't disagree that we are testing for COVID more than the flu. Don't agree though that we are classifying car accidents as COVID deaths (and even if we are, this is a drop of water in the sea of COVID cases/deaths).

To me, you just need to walk into an ICU and look at the people with respiratory failure and on vents. These type of patients would have also been screened for influenza in the pre-COVID era. Currently, the proportion of patients who are sick with COVID in the ICU far exceeds the number with influenza in past years. Influenza can make people really sick, but COVID trumps that (except in children)

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I thought I did

I'm probably just misunderstanding then.

I don't disagree that we are testing for COVID more than the flu. Don't agree though that we are classifying car accidents as COVID deaths (and even if we are, this is a drop of water in the sea of COVID cases/deaths).

I posted two sources yesterday that show some place absolutely are.

To me, you just need to walk into an ICU and look at the people with respiratory failure and on vents. These type of patients would have also been screened for influenza in the pre-COVID era. Currently, the proportion of patients who are sick with COVID in the ICU far exceeds the number with influenza in past years. Influenza can make people really sick, but COVID trumps that (except in children)

Understood, not comparing the two, in fact, I was saying it's impossible to compare the two based on how the health officials are treating them.

 

[justashadowof]

"The vaccine" is the most misleading short form in decades. There are more than a half dozen types of COVID vaccine methodologies and dozens of unique vaccine products throughout the globe.

 

[Carltons Cup]

Can someone put Freddie in quarantine for say, the next 3 months?

Just because...

 

[Bluelines]

Looks like we all assumed to be true, how has a study to support it.

 

[Pink Mist]

Very profound rebuttal bro!

Actually though, everything iv said in in fact true but you wouldnt know by blinding believing the mainstream news without questioning a single aspect of what you are told to believe. Heres another fact for you: The average age for "covid related deaths" is higher than the average age for...death, and of those exists an average of 2.6 preexisting medical conditions. I implore you to fact check what I've just told you and report back. I trust you wont though, and come back with some weak ass "conspiracy" related reply to skirt around confronting reality. Worth a shot

Gladly.

And not a single one more effective than a persons own immune system.

There's nothing to suggest that natural immunity is more effective than the covid vaccine, in fact because we don't know how effective our natural immunity is the vaccine is a much safer bet because we know the strength of the vaccine's immunity.

Many of these never before approved MRNA "vaccines" have proven to cause negative symptoms and are basically a ticking time bomb that will cause the body of an innoculated person to attack its own defences when exposed to a wild coronavirus strain down the line

You're going to provide evidence for this claim because there's no proof that mRNA vaccines are a ticking time bomb for future strains of covid-19. In fact the benefit of the mRNA vaccine is that they can easily modif the vaccine to protect against future strains.

Quite sad that most people will blindy line up for this rushed big pharma concoction thinking if they take it things will go back to "normal" (weve been told many times the vaccine doesnt stop the spread of the virus and we will not be "liberated" from social distancing and masks lol)

The Covid vaccines were not rushed and went through all the appropriate clinical trials prior to approval. We do not know how effective it is a preventing transmission yet so that's why there's hesitation to open things back up completely before everyone is vaccinated. Once everyone is vaccinated and there's herd immunity, things will open.

People do more research into buying a new toaster than the experimental shot they will gleefully get injected into their blood.

The vaccine gets injected into your muscle not your blood.


You should stop blindly following whatever you read about on your far-right websites

 

[Pink Mist]

There is something to be said for a leaky vaccine letting the virus evolve to become more deadly to non-vaccinated people than it would have been capable of doing on its own without needing to go full Q-boomer. Overcorrecting to blindly defending all vaccines at all costs isn't the move.

Sure, but its better than the alternative of waiting for a perfect vaccine to emerge (which may never happen) and persisting with the status quo which people are already antsy about (or saying screw it and accepting that millions more will die) and potentially having the virus mutate into something more deadly naturally.

 

[Pink Mist]

Why do we need a vaccine for a virus that has an over 99.9% recovery rate?

Especially one that was RUSHED through trials via emergency declaration via an initiative labelled operation WARP speed..its comical at this point how many people are brainwashed enough to sign up to be a human lab rat.

The recovery rate for Covid-19 is not 99.9%. You can't even get the basic facts right, so what's the point in debating this with you?

 

[Confucius]

Deaths should be way down from here on in, after all the long-term care homes have gotten their vaccines.