Golden_Jet
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I’m thinking the same,
So if I get offered one of the other 2, not sure if I’ll just wait longer, or take it.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XII
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I’m thinking the same,
So if I get offered one of the other 2, not sure if I’ll just wait longer, or take it.
to me I am going to wait ... AstraZeneca multiple deaths in both S Africa and Europe within 2 hours of taking shot bothers me a lot ... for 60% effectiveness ... and again multiple people who still went to hospital with problems with variant in S Africa after vaccine ... and USA not approving it ... da whole thing does not add up to me ... i did a poll of 50 hockey buddies and almost everyone says they will wait ... da health care people on TV are trying to cover up all these issues but reality is da truth
ULF_55
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I'd take the J&J, but will get the Pfizer.
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UK is using AZ, not hearing about deaths there. Are we sure they aren't being sold counterfeit vaccines?
I would take J&J too as no hospitalizations or deaths from variants ... even with 70+ % effectiveness ... but AstraZeneca no thanks I don't want to risk dying taking a shot
They developed vaccine at UK lab at Oxford so it is in their best interest and quite frankly all they have available ... not surprising to me we don't hear of any issues there ... it is SILENCE at its best if you know what I mean
We were told by someone in the field that if we were to decide to take the vaccine, J&J is the best one. Even though its efficacy is lower, it best replicates a traditional vaccine.
Problem is, they expect you to take whichever shot is offered to you as opposed to "shopping" for the one you'd prefer. I totally see people not wanting to take AZ if offered to them.
CDC has Pfizer vaccine at 72% efficacy rate ... why does canada have it at 66% ... another issue why I don't trust some govt reports ...people take data and use it for their best interests ... in Canada we have doses of AstraZeneca now so we manipulate things da way we wantBy taking Pfizer, I think you are lucky. How many people live in Canada again...
The J & J and Zeneca appear to be the same type, given the little info the chart shows. So if one worries you I would think the other should even though no deaths have been reported yet.
ULF_55
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I think people can wait to take their preferred vaccine, but that is likely going to mean waiting 4-5 months rather than getting protection ASAP.
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I think the more important % is death and major illness.
Getting sick isn't a big deal, getting hospitalized is, dying the ultimate.
Bluelines
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The whole, if they are editing mRNA , can it affect me later because it's gene splicing, apparently there is zero risk to your DNA.
I would prefer the one shot solution.
What is the effect of mRNA vaccines on DNA? Is it true that it alters DNA?
The mRNA vaccines like those developed by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna don't use DNA.
RNA is like a temporary photocopy of DNA and is used to make proteins. Proteins are the building blocks that cells use to grow and repair themselves. Once the protein is made, the RNA is degraded.
"In humans, the progression is always DNA to RNA to protein," said Dr. Zain Chagla, an associate professor of medicine at McMaster University and an infectious disease physician in Hamilton, Ont.
"You can't go from RNA back to DNA in human cells. It's not possible because we just don't have the machinery to deal with it. So there should not be concerns about the RNA vaccine somehow getting into the human DNA and transforming it."
There is one kind of microbe that can produce DNA from RNA — retroviruses such as HIV. And the DNA generated by retroviruses can sometimes integrate into cells, Matthew Miller, an associate professor of infectious diseases and immunology at McMaster University, said in an email.
That has led some researchers to propose that infection with a retrovirus might theoretically provide the proteins necessary for integration of mRNA, although that's considered "extremely unlikely."
Miller said that RNA from retroviruses is structurally different from mRNA.
"So even if one was infected with a retrovirus, the mRNA in the vaccine would not alter our DNA."
Jason Kindrachuk, Canada Research Chair in molecular pathogenesis of emerging and re-emerging viruses at the University of Manitoba, also thinks the risk of integration is tiny. The amount of mRNA in the vaccine is far lower than the amount generated in a natural infection, he noted in an email, and trials of either this type of COVID-19 vaccine or mRNA vaccines under development for other diseases have shown no indications that integration could be a risk. He added there are no noted contraindications for people with HIV on the product monograph, and the only thing it says about immunocompromised patients is that they could have a diminished immune response.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-clinical-trial-questions-answers-1.5838512
Yep and Denmark just shut down AstraZeneca for 2 weeks as it investigates ... many essential service providers have gone down with severe blood clots requiring hospitalization and 1 cop died of it within 2 hours of his 1st dose
The Hanging Jowl
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When do they start booking the blood clots? Several countries have halted administering this vaccine now. This is why I'll be waiting a bit before I get vaccinated.
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The Hanging Jowl
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We can watch all da guineas go for it and then assess how bad it is here ... to me when US/CDC does not sign off there is a problem somewhere ... then some Euros and SA and now Denmark ... Canada has been out of the vaccine business completely for over 30 years so we truly don't know what we are getting into here ... i can't stand BS where we buy this vaccine so we will say whatever to force feed people ... completely wrong ... it is like going to your sales VP for accounting advice ... heh for me I will go to a CPA
My opinion the only reason we got these zeneca doses is no other country wanted them.
God i hope that is not true ... we don't need a disaster here ... you can bet if a 60 year old COP or teacher dies within 2 hours from blood clotting it will kill our inoculation efforts ... we have these variants here just like they did in SA
Has anyone eaten a live bat before? Any Ozzy's here? Read WHO lead scientist on China investigation and he says in next few years we will figure out link between bats in south China territories and humans in Wuhan. Do they really eat live bats in China? OMG I can't even think of it without ralphing ...
And they have to be used up ASAP as they expire on April 2nd. Hence the quick and heavy rollout in those 300+ pharmacies.
Similar to how Canada was contemplating or infact did extend the time between doses from the recommended 21 to 28 days, maybe we can just extend the expiry date a week or two.
That is another serious problem when some PHD (pile it higher and deeper) scientist in Cdn govt knows more about a particular vaccine then a company virologist working with vaccines for 50 years day in day out consistently ... like I have said before it was a huge error in judgement to sell Connaught to French in 1989 ... wait til we all see how much is being spent to do this vaccine start up lab in Montreal now (great time to do it because everyone onside now) ... and it will be another 10 years before we start to truly understand vaccines again as we train people and they get experience
COVID-19 case declines have 'stalled;' Ontario model says 6,000 cases a day possible by April
Gee we didn't see this coming...
The modellers suggest the relaxing of restrictions across the province in late February as well as the continued spread of the B.1.1.7 coronavirus variant is to blame for an end to declines, which researchers now believe is more deadly than earlier strains as well as being more transmissible.
Gee we didn't see this coming...
The modellers suggest the relaxing of restrictions across the province in late February as well as the continued spread of the B.1.1.7 coronavirus variant is to blame for an end to declines, which researchers now believe is more deadly than earlier strains as well as being more transmissible.
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