Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XII

[BertCorbeau]

What is this world

Outside of the premise of the idea, I feel like an app on a phone would be a much cheaper idea that more people could buy into.

But the idea itself is just dumb and such a waste of money.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Maybe India's numbers are not accurate.

Are the statistics on death accurate?

The number of coronavirus cases in India may be rising, but the mortality rate is dropping. According to the Health Ministry, deaths per 100 cases went from 4% in April to 2.15% in August, and is now under 2%.
But some experts warn that the data is full of gaps. India has a weak, underfunded public health infrastructure, and for years it has failed to accurately record the deaths of its own citizens.

Even when India isn't facing a pandemic, only 86% of deaths nationwide are even registered in government systems. And only 22% of all registered deaths get an official cause of death, certified by a doctor, said community medicine specialist Dr Hemant Shewade.

There are a few reasons behind this. The majority of people in India die at home or other places, not in a hospital, so doctors usually aren't present to assign a cause of death.

Why India's low Covid-19 mortality rates don't tell the whole story - CNN​

So you want the government to spend hundreds of millions on PPE, ICU beds, ventilators, just to sit around in some warehouse, probably become defective from age.

Some day we are going to have a mass extinction event, comet hits the earth, Tsunami in the Atlantic, the super volcano in the Yellowstone park erupts, you want the government to spend todays money, hundreds of billions of dollars to mitigate events that are guaranteed to happen sometime, it could be one day from now or one million years in the future but we have no way of knowing when, we knew a pandemic was come, we had no idea of when. You have no issues with your tax dollars spiking so much it takes just about every penny you make.

India has been using medications like hydroxychloroquine with zinc and ivermectin in mass distribution which are effective against covid 19.

Africa also has lower infection rates because of their widespread use of anti-parasitic and anti-malarial drugs that have antiviral properties.

With few exceptions none of these medications have been either approved for use or widely distributed in western countries.

There are tons of BS excuses as to why case fatality and infection rates are lower outside the western world but the real reason is the corruption in the west that places a higher priority on corporate profits than human lives.

See once a drug becomes generic it can be mass produced cheaply and sold with only minimal profit. Big Pharma doesn’t like that so they peddle expensive novel drugs that don’t work over proven drugs that do all while lobbying governments to ban alternative medicines.

 

[RoadWarrior]

There’s some rumblings that they won’t even bother with mass vaccinations based on the success of their regiment. Ivermectin and HCQ is very cheap

The expensive vaccines don’t work any better than their cheaply produced meds. Meds which are largely restricted here.

 

[Bluelines]

India has been using medications like hydroxychloroquine with zinc and ivermectin in mass distribution which are effective against covid 19.

Africa also has lower infection rates because of their widespread use of anti-parasitic and anti-malarial drugs that have antiviral properties.

With few exceptions none of these medications have been either approved for use or widely distributed in western countries.

There are tons of BS excuses as to why case fatality and infection rates are lower outside the western world but the real reason is the corruption in the west that places a higher priority on corporate profits than human lives.

See once a drug becomes generic it can be mass produced cheaply and sold with only minimal profit. Big Pharma doesn’t like that so they peddle expensive novel drugs that don’t work over proven drugs that do all while lobbying governments to ban alternative medicines.

Everything you posted in relation to Covid-19 is either unproven or just plain horseshit... IMO intentionally misleading and potentially dangerous. Stop!

Yet another study shows hydroxychloroquine doesn't work against Covid-19 - CNN

 

[RoadWarrior]

Everything you posted in relation to Covid-19 is either unproven or just plain horseshit... IMO intentionally misleading and potentially dangerous. Stop!

Yet another study shows hydroxychloroquine doesn't work against Covid-19 - CNN

There’s 82 studies on HCQ. The infamous Lancet study showing HCQ caused heart problems and increased risk of death used fabricated data. The whole thing was a complete fraud. It was used as an excuse by the WHO to pull support for the drug. Eventually the Lancet retracted the study altogether but the decision to ban or restrict HCQ remained - based on a fraud.

HCQ works considerably better when taken with zinc. Only a handful of studies included the use of zinc supplementation. If the subject is deficient in zinc then it might not work at all. That’s very widely known but almost never reported.

Again countries like India that have used HCQ widely have a lower case fatality rate.

How do I know HCQ works? Because in 2020 I contracted COVID 19 and actually treated myself with the drug. It was very effective... when I used it with a zinc supplement.

Why would they go to the trouble of trying to discredit a drug that had 60 years of proven success with an good safety profile? It’s all about the benjamins. See vaccines are way more expensive than HCQ or Ivermectin.

 

[Nineteen67]

What is this world

This is The Onion or Babylon Bee., right?

 

[RoadWarrior]

This is The Onion or Babylon Bee., right?

Forget the science and health care stuff. That’s way too complicated! Clearly the solution to the crisis is to lock down forever and keep people apart forever. Duh!!!

 

[Bluelines]

There’s 82 studies on HCQ. The infamous Lancet study showing HCQ caused heart problems and increased risk of death used fabricated data. The whole thing was a complete fraud. It was used as an excuse by the WHO to pull support for the drug. Eventually the Lancet retracted the study altogether but the decision to ban or restrict HCQ remained - based on a fraud.

HCQ works considerably better when taken with zinc. Only a handful of studies included the use of zinc supplementation. If the subject is deficient in zinc then it might not work at all. That’s very widely known but almost never reported.

Again countries like India that have used HCQ widely have a lower case fatality rate.

How do I know HCQ works? Because in 2020 I contracted COVID 19 and actually treated myself with the drug. It was very effective... when I used it with a zinc supplement.

Why would they go to the trouble of trying to discredit a drug that had 60 years of proven success with an good safety profile? It’s all about the benjamins. See vaccines are way more expensive than HCQ or Ivermectin.

So you treated yourself and that is all the science you need? A one person success story. Ever hear of confirmation bias?

So lets play the greedy billionaire game. Lets take Elon Musk, he's kinda a rich dude, kinda smart, loves to make money. If there is a silver bullet for Covid , then why don't we see him investing in the company that holds the rights to this miracle cure? Furthermore, why isn't Elon marketing a Zinc solution to Covid, 7 billion people in this world, that's a lot of Zinc caplets.

Your logic about its all about the Benjamin's, sure I will agree, Big Pharma is in if for the profit motive but where your logic falls apart is there are millions of other millionaires on this blue rock that are greedy as "F" and will cut their brothers throat to make a dime, why are they not getting into this miracle cure? There are very few products that EVERY person in the world would want. I'm sure a couple of these millionaires are smarter than you, why have they not invested in this clear cut easy fix, why do the richest greediest people in this world have ZERO interest in this miracle cure? See the profit motive goes both ways, for big Pharma and for big investors.

I find it hard to believe that only you and a bunch of fringe right wing media outlets have figured this out and not one single solitary big money investor has stepped up and invested heavily in this cure. India has a billion people, that's a lot of rupees. Big Pharma is in it for the money but there is a gold mine sitting there and no one else is in it for the money? Your argument falls part at debunked right wing conspiracy theory.

Again you are being misleading hydroxychloroquine does not have a good safety profile , "Hydroxychloroquine can cause dangerous effects on your heart, especially if you also use certain other medicines including the antibiotic azithromycin (Z-Pak). Taking hydroxychloroquine long-term or at high doses may cause irreversible damage to the retina of your eye that could progress to permanent vision problems."

 

[Confucius]

This is The Onion or Babylon Bee., right?

Its actually a good idea, we should just pass an emergency order that everybody should wear one from now on. Different beeps for different things. one beep you came in close contact with a disease carrier. 2 beeps you are in the area of a person with past psychological problems, 3 beeps the person next to you has been in prison. etc etc.Afterall it would be safer for society.

 

[Bluelines]

Its actually a good idea, we should just pass an emergency order that everybody should wear one from now on. Different beeps for different things. one beep you came in close contact with a disease carrier. 2 beeps you are in the area of a person with past psychological problems, 3 beeps the person next to you has been in prison. etc etc.Afterall it would be safer for society.

Could we do 4 beeps to tell you that the chick next you you is in to you...? Tell people its a dating app with a side benefit of Covid alerts and they will snap these up in a heart beat... hey I'm gonna get lucky...? Awesome...! It might potentially save my life...? who cares...? I'm gonna get lucky...!!!

 

[Nineteen67]

India has been using medications like hydroxychloroquine with zinc and ivermectin in mass distribution which are effective against covid 19.

Africa also has lower infection rates because of their widespread use of anti-parasitic and anti-malarial drugs that have antiviral properties.

With few exceptions none of these medications have been either approved for use or widely distributed in western countries.

There are tons of BS excuses as to why case fatality and infection rates are lower outside the western world but the real reason is the corruption in the west that places a higher priority on corporate profits than human lives.

See once a drug becomes generic it can be mass produced cheaply and sold with only minimal profit. Big Pharma doesn’t like that so they peddle expensive novel drugs that don’t work over proven drugs that do all while lobbying governments to ban alternative medicines.

They’ve been writing plaquenil RX for decades for people doing missionary work in certain parts of the world. But, all of sudden in 2020 they changed the formula or something and it surpassed fentanyl as the most dangerous drug in medicine. The good news is the scientific community worked hard studying the drug in the fall of 2020, fixed the problems, and in early 2021 they began removing some of the articles about how dangerous it is..

Unfortunately we don’t need it anymore because we now have viable and expensive vaccines . Also, out of the goodness of their heart some men on the boards of pharmaceutical companies are willing and able to advise our government officials on public health policies. Naturally no good deed should go without reward.

 

[ULF_55]

Its actually a good idea, we should just pass an emergency order that everybody should wear one from now on. Different beeps for different things. one beep you came in close contact with a disease carrier. 2 beeps you are in the area of a person with past psychological problems, 3 beeps the person next to you has been in prison. etc etc.Afterall it would be safer for society.

5 beeps if you are interested.
10 beeps if it was good for you.

Just wear a mask. 'It's garbage': Infectious disease expert debunks 'Facts Not Fear' COVID-19 flyer

FACE MASK EFFICACY
Face masks have been proven to help reduce the risk of coronavirus transmission, particularly in indoor settings, said Bogoch. The flyer suggests they are unnecessary and unhealthy.
“It’s garbage. Face masks help,” he said. “Before COVID-19, people who worked in an operating room have been wearing face masks all day, most of the day, for a century now and they’re doing just fine.”
A wide array of research over the last year (and indeed prior to the COVID-19 pandemic) has emphasized the efficacy of face masks in preventing transmission of disease. Public health guidance, though initially confusing to many, has evolved to follow the science, officials say.

 

[GoonieFace]

They’ve been writing plaquenil RX for decades for people doing missionary work in certain parts of the world. But, all of sudden in 2020 they changed the formula or something and it surpassed fentanyl as the most dangerous drug in medicine. The good news is the scientific community worked hard studying the drug in the fall of 2020, fixed the problems, and in early 2021 they began removing some of the articles about how dangerous it is..

Unfortunately we don’t need it anymore because we now have viable and expensive vaccines . Also, out of the goodness of their heart some men on the boards of pharmaceutical companies are willing and able to advise our government officials on public health policies. Naturally no good deed should go without reward.

It’s amazing that some people don’t realize the money and corruption behind big medicine. Doctors are literally paid to prescribe these drugs, rightly or wrongly. Anyone that speaks out against them is silenced or branded a lunatic.

 

[Confucius]

It’s amazing that some people don’t realize the money and corruption behind big medicine. Doctors are literally paid to prescribe these drugs, rightly or wrongly. Anyone that speaks out against them is silenced or branded a lunatic.

They do prescribe, "better" medications that may not be covered by your drug plan..... And I do notice my Dr. tends to push the private clinics and always adds oh they take ohip as well.

 

[ULF_55]

They’ve been writing plaquenil RX for decades for people doing missionary work in certain parts of the world. But, all of sudden in 2020 they changed the formula or something and it surpassed fentanyl as the most dangerous drug in medicine. The good news is the scientific community worked hard studying the drug in the fall of 2020, fixed the problems, and in early 2021 they began removing some of the articles about how dangerous it is..

Unfortunately we don’t need it anymore because we now have viable and expensive vaccines . Also, out of the goodness of their heart some men on the boards of pharmaceutical companies are willing and able to advise our government officials on public health policies. Naturally no good deed should go without reward.

COVID-19 Vaccine Prices Revealed From Pfizer, Moderna, and AstraZeneca
The EU price list for COVID-19 vaccines was leaked. Will Canada release its prices?
How Much Will It Cost to Get a COVID-19 Vaccine?

Why is Hydroxychloroquine So Expensive? | USA Rx

The vaccines don't seem that expensive, especially if the Astrazeneca is coming in around $3.00.

Have you checked into the price of the shingles or pneumonia vaccines?

 

[Confucius]

COVID-19 Vaccine Prices Revealed From Pfizer, Moderna, and AstraZeneca
The EU price list for COVID-19 vaccines was leaked. Will Canada release its prices?
How Much Will It Cost to Get a COVID-19 Vaccine?

Why is Hydroxychloroquine So Expensive? | USA Rx

The vaccines don't seem that expensive, especially if the Astrazeneca is coming in around $3.00.

Have you checked into the price of the shingles or pneumonia vaccines?

three hundred, I got the better kind. lol

 

[ULF_55]

They do prescribe, "better" medications that may not be covered by your drug plan..... And I do notice my Dr. tends to push the private clinics and always adds oh they take ohip as well.

Our family doctor always looks for the best price options.
But then she knows we would look at her sideways if she tried to pull any crap on us.

 

[GoonieFace]

They do prescribe, "better" medications that may not be covered by your drug plan..... And I do notice my Dr. tends to push the private clinics and always adds oh they take ohip as well.

I loved when my doctor tried to prescribe me Zantac recently, i had to tell her it was discontinued because it was causing cancer.

 

[ULF_55]

three hundred, I got the better kind. lol

Yeah, so I'd easily pay $30.00 for a vaccine. Expensive? About the price of an okay bottle of red. I'll only pay over $30 for special occasions unless in restaurant where the price is near double the shelf price.

Oh, and yes I got the shingles and pneumonia vaccines, and still haven't grown a 3rd. head.

 

[Nineteen67]

It’s amazing that some people don’t realize the money and corruption behind big medicine. Doctors are literally paid to prescribe these drugs, rightly or wrongly. Anyone that speaks out against them is silenced or branded a lunatic.

It’s certainly going to get a lot better for pharm and insurance companies over the next four years.
Almost 20 yrs ago, now, they put the clamps on what pharm companies can give providers. Limited to lunches and such. Long gone are the trips and expensive gifts. ...can’t even get pens unless i go to a convention.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Yeah, so I'd easily pay $30.00 for a vaccine. Expensive? About the price of an okay bottle of red. I'll only pay over $30 for special occasions unless in restaurant where the price is near double the shelf price.

Oh, and yes I got the shingles and pneumonia vaccines, and still haven't grown a 3rd. head.

A full round of treatment for COVID 19 using Ivermectin costs about $5. I realize the difference doesn't seem very large but if you're a pharmaceutical company selling millions of doses every penny counts. That $25 difference is huge when multiplied in the millions.

 

[Nineteen67]

They do prescribe, "better" medications that may not be covered by your drug plan..... And I do notice my Dr. tends to push the private clinics and always adds oh they take ohip as well.

Are you not in Canada? What’s this drug plan?

 

[Confucius]

Are you not in Canada? What’s this drug plan?

Yes there is a list of meds that the gov plan covers but as you know there are other meds that may not be covered. The Shinles pneumonia vaccine are two that are covered but for close to 3 hundred you can get better ones....

Same with cortisone injections it's either free or 25 bucks but for $500 there is a better option... I got the better option of that as well and I forget the name. Needed a replacement hip anyway after two injections that cost me a grand.

Edit to add: Synvisc was the name of the better injection. Apparently cort. has side effects and softens the joint. The max number of shots you can get is 2. Synvisc has no side effects it doesn't soften your bone you can just keep getting them every 6 months.

 

[ULF_55]

Are you not in Canada? What’s this drug plan?

We don't have a national drug program, although there is supposed to be one on the way.

There are private plans, and most employers of any size will usually have health care plans that do drugs and dental.

Hospital drugs are free (at least here in Alberta, can't speak for all provinces), and if you're lucky there are drugs-to-go, after leaving the hospital, and of course there are support groups that will cover some drugs for people who don't have drug plans.

What is lacking in health care, is dental care. Kind of silly, about the only part of the body that isn't covered is the mouth, unless it is by accident and then (in Alberta) we have dentists in the hospitals.

 

[gnr25]

Are you not in Canada? What’s this drug plan?

Canadians have to pay for medications (prescriptions) unless a hospital gives it to you or your doctor gives you a sample.

Employers that have benefits usually cover 80% of prescription costs. But if you don’t have benefits, you have to pay the full cost. You can deduct it on your income tax filings though.