Agreed, I saw another clip of one of the Dr.s speaking about the new variants. Couldn't believe he said this new variant was the "real deal". So the original wasn't??
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XII
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I see 64% of the businesses in Peel comply to the sanctions. Better than 63% I guess.
Inspection blitz at distribution centres in Peel Region shows 64.4 compliance rate
Inspection blitz at distribution centres in Peel Region shows 64.4 compliance rate
I went out and did a lot of things last summer. I went to my trailer lots, went to Collingwood for a weekend. I went out to eat as well. No sports for littles didn't big me as my little just turned 1 a few months ago.
You act like we were locked indoors since last March. The only thing that has bothered me is not being able to leave the country as I usually go to the US in the summer to visit amusement parks.
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Cottages were open for renters last year. Kids sports were played, not full blown but they still got to play games.
Restaurants were open with rules, which is fine and how it should be. I have no issue with that, but closing them down completely is unnecessary.
At least there was opportunities to do some things, which is fine. Hopefully we get back to that point or better this summer.
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That’s good, kids should be playing sports and any other event they participate in. Rules on and number of parents allowed and distancing would be determined by the venue.
Losing a year of development is detrimental to some athletes such as a gymnast, for example.
They are, the C average rate of following sanctions indicates how much people are fed up with this.
As was mentioned earlier in the thread, rates of infection are dropping the world over at the same time. Seems like this virus has an internal clock similar to seasonal mating habits of fish and other wild animals. Turns on reaches a peak and declines. Rinse and repeat.
Just look at Mississauga now we have a condo building and an elementary school close by at 10/Burnhamthorpe in big trouble with S African variant ... we had to go into condo and test everyone in building on weekend because one family unit has already passed it around to another 11 units .. we could have well over a hundred cases by now in condo and kids school right by it where those fams go to school ... they were doing rapid tests at school yesterday ... it will be a good barometer for everyone to see what is gonna happen here
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and yet they don’t tell you or make the hospital metrics easy to find....everything is about cases cases cases.
OK I guess I don't understand. Cases are down in hospitals, in ICU's and yes infection rates, outside. What other metrics are there?
The site below posts them daily.
Ontario reports 1,038 new cases of COVID-19, 44 more deaths
There are now 758 COVID-19 patients in hospital, down from 883 last week, provincial data indicates. Intensive care admissions have dropped to 277, a decline of 22 patients from last Thursday.
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All the metrics show there is a decline in number of cases. Look around the world and cases are declining whether there is a lockdown like ours or not. But given the mentality of some of these high profile doctors, do you really think they will advocate opening up in another 2 weeks? Without more widespread vaccination, which isn't going to happen anytime soon, cases aren't going to be in the lower hundreds. If people don't stand up to these dr.s, we will be in this lockdown/stay-at-home till June. Fortunately, I live in York Region and our public health doctor has said we should skip the Grey zone and go directly to the Red. Perhaps we can show that lockdowns for long periods of time are not necessary.
GP's in Ontario have it made now, most of their appointments are phone in or zoom. They can probably squeeze in triple the patients a day they use to for walkin appointments.
Won't be long now and we will be hearing; one case is too many
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That’s what I’m looking for is hospital metric. They are dropping like crazy. I suspect the %od ED visits with CLI is probably down dramatically as well.
Those are the numbers that mean something.
Because people often overreact to things that are unknown. Its been a very long time that we've seen a virus spread so quickly throughout the world and regardless of its actual lethality or danger to the vast majority of the world's population, governments and medical people lost their minds over it. It was only after a few months during the 1st wave did most nations finally calm down abit and regain their sanity to a degree when it was shown that most of the virus deaths were happening among the oldest and the sickest of the world's population.
Outside of a few exceptions perhaps, I don't know if many countries ever actually needed a near full shutdown to control the virus. Most countries including Canada could've probably been largely fine if they had simply did the mask wearing, social distancing where possible and keeping the most vulnerable population isolated from everyone else.
Also if Canada wanted to be extra safe and do a shutdown during the 1st wave because they weren't completely sure how dangerous the virus was even though we were already seeing data from other parts of the world, then that's at least understandable. But after it was well known and documented that the virus wasn't nearly as dangerous as we originally thought, then there's NO EXCUSE to not reopen ASAP and keep things open and largely back to normal and simply protect LTCs and other vulnerable people as they should've done from the beginning.
If we're looking at fighting covid as like fighting a war, in what world does it make sense to sacrifice your entire army to save a few divisions of men? Yes its sad and it sucks that you can't save everyone and a small part of your army is going to be lost in battle, but that's a far better outcome than to throw your entire army into a bad position trying to save those divisions and possibly cost you your whole army and the entire war.
That's where we are with covid. We're damaging our entire population for the sake of POTENTIALLY saving a few seniors and sick people's lives for a little longer. Again I'll repeat these are mostly the same people that in any given year will die to any kind of significant infection or medical issue because they're that fragile and near the end of their lifespan. And also hundreds if not thousands of people die daily in Canada from non-covid causes that we don't give a second thought over because covid trumps everything. Again why do those deaths matter so little because they didn't die by covid?
Time to end this madness and reopen most everything and let people live again. Stop listening to our idiot fearmongering 'medical experts' who if they had their way wouldn't allow anyone to live normally again until everyone was vaccinated and covid cases were near zero. That isn't going to happen anytime soon. Time to recognize that living with covid like the Japanese have the whole time is the smartest and least harmful option to cope with the pandemic instead of constantly keeping people in fear of a largely non-lethal virus.
Look at our resident IDIOT 'experts' and mayor who even now are calling for another extension in restrictions for Toronto and surrounding areas even as the numbers are going down. Back in mid December they wanted a shutdown that would last 'only' till the beginning of January and now OVER A MONTH AFTER that deadline they want YET ANOTHER extension? Yeah they can all go F**K themselves.
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Because people often overreact to things that are unknown. Its been a very long time that we've seen a virus spread so quickly throughout the world and regardless of its actual lethality or danger to the vast majority of the world's population, governments and medical people lost their minds over it. It was only after a few months during the 1st wave did most nations finally calm down abit and regain their sanity to a degree when it was shown that most of the virus deaths were happening among the oldest and the sickest of the world's population.
Outside of a few exceptions perhaps, I don't know if many countries ever actually needed a near full shutdown to control the virus. Most countries including Canada could've probably been largely fine if they had simply did the mask wearing, social distancing where possible and keeping the most vulnerable population isolated from everyone else.
Also if Canada wanted to be extra safe and do a shutdown during the 1st wave because they weren't completely sure how dangerous the virus was even though we were already seeing data from other parts of the world, then that's at least understandable. But after it was well known and documented that the virus wasn't nearly as dangerous as we originally thought, then there's NO EXCUSE to not reopen ASAP and keep things open and largely back to normal and simply protect LTCs and other vulnerable people as they should've done from the beginning.
If we're looking at fighting covid as like fighting a war, in what world does it make sense to sacrifice your entire army to save a few divisions of men? Yes its sad and it sucks that you can't save everyone and a small part of your army is going to be lost in battle, but that's a far better outcome than to throw your entire army into a bad position trying to save those divisions and possibly cost you your whole army and the entire war.
That's where we are with covid. We're damaging our entire population for the sake of POTENTIALLY saving a few seniors and sick people's lives for a little longer. Again I'll repeat these are mostly the same people that in any given year will die to any kind of significant infection or medical issue because they're that fragile and near the end of their lifespan. And also hundreds if not thousands of people die daily in Canada from non-covid causes that we don't give a second thought over because covid trumps everything. Again why do those deaths matter so little because they didn't die by covid?
Time to end this madness and reopen most everything and let people live again. Stop listening to our idiot fearmongering 'medical experts' who if they had their way wouldn't allow anyone to live normally again until everyone was vaccinated and covid cases were near zero. That isn't going to happen anytime soon. Time to recognize that living with covid like the Japanese have the whole time is the smartest and least harmful option to cope with the pandemic instead of constantly keeping people in fear of a largely non-lethal virus.
Look at our resident IDIOT 'experts' and mayor who even now are calling for another extension in restrictions for Toronto and surrounding areas even as the numbers are going down. Back in mid December they wanted a shutdown that would last 'only' till the beginning of January and now OVER A MONTH AFTER that deadline they want YET ANOTHER extension? Yeah they can all go F**K themselves.
As I suspected, rabbit hole resident confirmed.
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Opinion | We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April
I don’t know if we’ll reach HI, but if the administration doesn’t interfere with the vaccine rollout we should enough vulnerable people vaccinated to open things up in March/April
Apparently, at least for today, even Mr Fauci thinks the vaccine will stop the spread and protect the unvaccinated.
I don’t know if we’ll reach HI, but if the administration doesn’t interfere with the vaccine rollout we should enough vulnerable people vaccinated to open things up in March/April
Apparently, at least for today, even Mr Fauci thinks the vaccine will stop the spread and protect the unvaccinated.
Hopefully it works on all the variants. We have secured 400 million doses. Apparently we must be vaccinating our dogs and cats as well. When we get them is another matter.
This is good to hear. Although I take whatever Dr. Fauci says with a grain of salt. He's been all over the map with his suggestions throughout this whole thing -- he sounds like a real blowhard almost every time he opens his mouth now.
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No reason to believe they wouldn’t. Ever since they said the variants are a game changer we’ve seen nothing but a steep decline, even in the places where the variants were discovered
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I’ll give Jim a pass because there’s a good chance he has no idea what Covid is and just reading a screen.
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Mr. Fauci had to suffer working for a syphilitic imbecile. I'm surprised he's still sane after that experience.
Ontario and Canada are saying the same thing regarding the new strains. Only time will tell if they will do what the models say. Apparently 20K cases a day in 2-3 weeks
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