Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[All Mod Cons]

Look at their cap. How? One person said it. CJ, Friedman etc never confirmed it

I think it’s LA tbh.

Edmonton has 14 million with bouch left to sign. Thats min 7 right there.

They have McDavid coming up. Even if they get rid of Kane it’s tough.

Knowing they're likely to lose McDavid to Toronto, I can see them going after Marner.

I'd do a McDavid for Marner swap.

 

[Legion34]

It's a boring, toxic circle jerk.

I found it interesting that Marner was unfazed last night after all the drama. The fame ended up a mess, but he showed up.

He didn’t appear to be after the game.

I think the kids agent/family did him no favours. I also think all told it’s his call if the pressure of the market and any negative Treatment is too much for him.

Sure. No issue. He is handling this so poorly. He hasn’t learned from his mistakes.

 

[Gary Nylund]

As long as McDavid and Draisaitl are there Canadian born UFA’s will have no issues going there. Hyman went, Skinner went, Kane went. Players have gone.

Hopefully Marner will go do EDM, and then McD will come to Toronto.

I have to be honest, I'm getting sick of Marner by now. If he can shock the world and play like a superstar in the playoffs ( and I mean not just the first 4 games) then I'll be a fan again. More likely though that he continues to disappear when the going gets tough and if that's what happens again, time to say goodbye and bring in some guys that earn their cap hits in the playoffs. Going from ~PPG the first 86 games of the year to ~.4 PPG after game 86, that's not a superstar in my book, it's nothing more than a regular season wonder boy and considering that playoff success is what I want to see, a player like that isn't even worth 8 million, never mind the absurd numbers being bandied about here.

 

[Smif]

Mitch to Carolina in the off season? I can’t see him staying. He might want a quieter market and where he can be more anonymous.

This is exactly what I feel he may be thinking. He's considering a quieter life to begin a family with..In 4 years that baby has to go to school around this atmosphere. I don't blame him one bit for weighing his options.

 

[Gary Nylund]

He didn’t appear to be after the game.

I think the kids agent/family did him no favours. I also think all told it’s his call if the pressure of the market and any negative Treatment is too much for him.

Sure. No issue. He is handling this so poorly. He hasn’t learned from his mistakes.

Not sure "mistakes" is the right word to use here. It's intestinal fortitude - either you have it or you don't.

 

[Zybalto]

On Marner's draft day, who'd have thought this would've gotten so ugly 9 years later. Marner saying "I had a feeling something might happen" regarding being asked to waive for Carolina hints at a strained relationship with the team. I don't blame Mitch for feeling the toll of fan pressure. He had to endure Babcock and likely wanted a lot of cash to handle an ass for his boss. Not sure how he can argue that he deserve more than Rantenan other than taxes, but that's not something I care about. He'd be happier playing for a team like LA, and the Leafs should probably spend less than 24.5M on two wingers

This whole Rantanen/Marner thing is fascinating really.

First Colorado trades Rantanen instead of resigning him showing they would rather break ties than continue on was a pretty big shock. Teams dont generally do that and they have been largely proven right in a short period of time which is crazy. Why would they do that? Im guessing Rantanen was asking for a far bigger number than 12 and the whispers of Rantanens awful numbers away from Mac forced the Avs hand and targeting a player like Necas now looks like the genius trade of the year.

Why did Carolina trade for Rantanen? Because they wanted to sign him and use him for their playoff run of course. The fact he managed to sour that relationship so quickly with a combination of poor play and who knows what behind the scenes and they wanted to cut bait after 13 games makes it one of the craziest trades I've ever scene. The whole thing looks toxic and Rantanens stock fell huge after this. The fact he still got 12 on a good team when he looks like such a huge risk is not a bad end game through all this for him.

The fact Carolina wanted Marner over him shouldnt be a shock. The 4 nations was brilliant and Marner was a huge factor while Rantanen was just another good player. Marner and Stolarz have been the Leaf MVPs this season and watching the game last night, the gap between elite players and non-elite players was evident and Marner was the best Leaf on the ice. A huge factor on both sides of the puck and in all situations. Marner on Carolina would be a massive get for them and I'm a little shocked our managment would have even asked him. No Marner on the Leafs this year would have us struggling to even make the playoffs IMO.

He might be on the way out, he might not but the way he gets treated around here, I wouldnt really blame him. This town is just dying to run him out of town and watch him win a cup somewhere else. Its a Leafs tradition no? Murphy, Kessel, Kadri....Marner? I always find it hilarious that a sold majority wanted those guys gone and its impossible to find anyone who will own up to it years later.

 

[BallardEra]

It's obvious that his camp wants to maximize his AAV by going to free agency. Of course he will say he wants to stay in Toronto because I think he truly does.

If Leafs did offer him $12.5 million per and they turned it down, that will only go up come free agency.

Ultimately it comes down to what Mitch really wants to do when other teams start offering him $13-14 million per.

It allows depends on what happens in the playoffs as well.

 

[francis246]

1- Absolutly nobody really know what Marner 100 % really want but they're some thing we can see

1- Marner had no need to say he still wanted to resign and stay Toronto but he did so i don't know why we should think he want to change city next summer

2- nobody know wich kind of contract he's really want, everything are just speculations even from insider. Rantanen was considerate like aguy who wanted 14M contract. Finally been traded and he said he was agree to take a discount to stay there and was shocked to finally sign a 12M

3- A good chance Marner will just do exemple what Stamkos did couple of years ago when everyone was hoping to see Stamkos signing in Toronto, he just watched what's market was looking without any interest to sign anywhere else than Tampa before winning cup they're and finishing to resign late in June. I personally expect the same thing here

I would say #3 was possible up until yesterday. The leafs leaking they asked him if he would go to Carolina may have allowed them to win the PR battle but I think it may have been the nail in the coffin. I just don’t understand why they would put that out there, if they wanted to sign him. I think it fractures the relationship. Don’t see a comeback from this personally.. man looked distraught after the game

 

[DarkKnight]

He didn’t appear to be after the game.

I think the kids agent/family did him no favours. I also think all told it’s his call if the pressure of the market and any negative Treatment is too much for him.

Sure. No issue. He is handling this so poorly. He hasn’t learned from his mistakes.

He was fine after the game lol.

 

[GoonieFace]

This whole Rantanen/Marner thing is fascinating really.

First Colorado trades Rantanen instead of resigning him showing they would rather break ties than continue on was a pretty big shock. Teams dont generally do that and they have been largely proven right in a short period of time which is crazy. Why would they do that? Im guessing Rantanen was asking for a far bigger number than 12 and the whispers of Rantanens awful numbers away from Mac forced the Avs hand and targeting a player like Necas now looks like the genius trade of the year.

Why did Carolina trade for Rantanen? Because they wanted to sign him and use him for their playoff run of course. The fact he managed to sour that relationship so quickly with a combination of poor play and who knows what behind the scenes and they wanted to cut bait after 13 games makes it one of the craziest trades I've ever scene. The whole thing looks toxic and Rantanens stock fell huge after this. The fact he still got 12 on a good team when he looks like such a huge risk is not a bad end game through all this for him.

The fact Carolina wanted Marner over him shouldnt be a shock. The 4 nations was brilliant and Marner was a huge factor while Rantanen was just another good player. Marner and Stolarz have been the Leaf MVPs this season and watching the game last night, the gap between elite players and non-elite players was evident and Marner was the best Leaf on the ice. A huge factor on both sides of the puck and in all situations. Marner on Carolina would be a massive get for them and I'm a little shocked our managment would have even asked him. No Marner on the Leafs this year would have us struggling to even make the playoffs IMO.

He might be on the way out, he might not but the way he gets treated around here, I wouldnt really blame him. This town is just dying to run him out of town and watch him win a cup somewhere else. Its a Leafs tradition no? Murphy, Kessel, Kadri....Marner? I always find it hilarious that a sold majority wanted those guys gone and its impossible to find anyone who will own up to it years later.

You’re comparing Marner and Rantanens performance at the 4 nations? One played for a stacked team, the other team was invited because they needed a 4th team. lol, you really are a troll who just throws out useless expected stats.

Rantanen was an absolute beast last night for Dallas. The guy is huge, fast, has a great shot and is a great playmaker. And if you watch him in general you can see how much better he is than Marner. But I’m sure his playoff stats are just a mirage.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Yeah, management leaking that we tried to acquire Rantenan but Marner wouldn't waive is a shiv job. That's gotta hurt seeing that become a story. Not sure why they'd want that story public unless it provides reasoning for something

 

[Legion34]

It's obvious that his camp wants to maximize his AAV by going to free agency. Of course he will say he wants to stay in Toronto because I think he truly does.

If Leafs did offer him $12.5 million per and they turned it down, that will only go up come free agency.

Ultimately it comes down to what Mitch really wants to do when other teams start offering him $13-14 million per.

It allows depends on what happens in the playoffs as well.

Then he loses money. The 8th year on a 12 plus deal is massive

 

[GoonieFace]

I would say #3 was possible up until yesterday. The leafs leaking they asked him if he would go to Carolina may have allowed them to win the PR battle but I think it may have been the nail in the coffin. I just don’t understand why they would put that out there, if they wanted to sign him. I think it fractures the relationship. Don’t see a comeback from this personally.. man looked distraught after the game

To be honest, I kind of feel bad for Marner. People want to ride him for contract stuff, but I’m pretty sure that’s his agent and dad leading the charge. But he is an adult and could tell them to F off. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[Gary Nylund]

This whole Rantanen/Marner thing is fascinating really.

First Colorado trades Rantanen instead of resigning him showing they would rather break ties than continue on was a pretty big shock. Teams dont generally do that and they have been largely proven right in a short period of time which is crazy. Why would they do that? Im guessing Rantanen was asking for a far bigger number than 12 and the whispers of Rantanens awful numbers away from Mac forced the Avs hand and targeting a player like Necas now looks like the genius trade of the year.

Why did Carolina trade for Rantanen? Because they wanted to sign him and use him for their playoff run of course. The fact he managed to sour that relationship so quickly with a combination of poor play and who knows what behind the scenes and they wanted to cut bait after 13 games makes it one of the craziest trades I've ever scene. The whole thing looks toxic and Rantanens stock fell huge after this. The fact he still got 12 on a good team when he looks like such a huge risk is not a bad end game through all this for him.

This is really good fiction writing, kudos!

The fact Carolina wanted Marner over him shouldnt be a shock. The 4 nations was brilliant and Marner was a huge factor while Rantanen was just another good player. Marner and Stolarz have been the Leaf MVPs this season and watching the game last night, the gap between elite players and non-elite players was evident and Marner was the best Leaf on the ice. A huge factor on both sides of the puck and in all situations. Marner on Carolina would be a massive get for them and I'm a little shocked our managment would have even asked him. No Marner on the Leafs this year would have us struggling to even make the playoffs IMO.

Because a couple of games on an all-star team is more meaningful than career playoff performance spanning many years where Rantanen makes Marner look useless by comparison. Yeah sure thing, that makes sense.

He might be on the way out, he might not but the way he gets treated around here, I wouldnt really blame him. This town is just dying to run him out of town and watch him win a cup somewhere else. Its a Leafs tradition no? Murphy, Kessel, Kadri....Marner? I always find it hilarious that a sold majority wanted those guys gone and its impossible to find anyone who will own up to it years later.

It's hilarious that a couple of you fanboys keep spewing this nonsense. The town for the most part adores him and he only recently talked about how he's treated like a god here, in the hockey capital of the world.

Keep that fiction coming dude, I'm doing a bit of work this morning and some comic entertainment is always welcome.

 

[IPS]

You’re comparing Marner and Rantanens performance at the 4 nations? One played for a stacked team, the other team was invited because they needed a 4th team. lol, you really are a troll who just throws out useless expected stats.

Rantanen was an absolute beast last night for Dallas. The guy is huge, fast, has a great shot and is a great playmaker. And if you watch him in general you can see how much better he is than Marner. But I’m sure his playoff stats are just a mirage.

Just his playoff stats? His Stanley Cup ring is also a mirage too. Didn't you hear he put up 12 points on the PP in that run?! Honestly a disgrace they didn't carve an asterisk next to his name on the cup.

 

[Gary Nylund]

To be honest, I kind of feel bad for Marner. People want to ride him for contract stuff, but I’m pretty sure that’s his agent and dad leading the charge. But he is an adult and could tell them to F off. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Exactly! He's an adult, but the question is - can he act like an adult?

So far the answer seems to be no, hard to see that changing in the near future.

 

[francis246]

To be honest, I kind of feel bad for Marner. People want to ride him for contract stuff, but I’m pretty sure that’s his agent and dad leading the charge. But he is an adult and could tell them to F off. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I’m in the same boat, I feel for him on a human level. I genuinely think he just loves playing hockey for the Maple Leafs but he just gets his back kicked in. Only so much one can take.

But like you said, he’s a big boy who can make his own decisions. Fire the damn agent and tell your dad to fck off respectively. I don’t know him, but the way his dad is so involved is not healthy.

 

[GoonieFace]

Exactly! He's an adult, but the question is - can he act like an adult?

So far the answer seems to be no, hard to see that changing in the near future.

To be fair, he has probably been coddled his whole life and doesn’t really have real world experience. Always been told how great he is etc. He’s also probably not the brightest guy either. It’s probably in his best interest to move on.

I just wish people in this board can separate not liking the style of player he is to being a hater. That play he made at the blue line was why he is so polarizing. Scores 2 nice goals on simple plays, but can’t help himself from doing stupid things. He tries to make that play several times a game, and usually gets away with it.

 

[Zybalto]

You’re comparing Marner and Rantanens performance at the 4 nations? One played for a stacked team, the other team was invited because they needed a 4th team. lol, you really are a troll who just throws out useless expected stats.

Rantanen was an absolute beast last night for Dallas. The guy is huge, fast, has a great shot and is a great playmaker. And if you watch him in general you can see how much better he is than Marner. But I’m sure his playoff stats are just a mirage.

I watched every minute of the 4 nations and curb my expectations just fine considering the depth issues on Finland and Rantanen was good, not great. Didnt watch the Dallas game but I see he got some much needed PP production and should help his confidence despite the loss to the the Oilers. If Rantanens not producing, its not like Marner (who is one of the best defensive wingers both regular season and playoffs). Rantanen is not a two way guy.

 

[IPS]

I’m in the same boat, I feel for him on a human level. I genuinely think he just loves playing hockey for the Maple Leafs but he just gets his back kicked in. Only so much one can take.

But like you said, he’s a big boy who can make his own decisions. Fire the damn agent and tell your dad to fck off respectively. I don’t know him, but the way his dad is so involved is not healthy.

Is there really anything to this Marner getting harassed IRL? I still cannot see how this isn't completely overblown/over-exaggerated nonsense.

 

[IPS]

To be fair, he has probably been coddled his whole life and doesn’t really have real world experience. Always been told how great he is etc. He’s also probably not the brightest guy either. It’s probably in his best interest to move on.

Would this be why he takes getting heckled IRL so seriously? (which I seriously have my doubts about).

Kid, you're a millionaire high-status hockey superstar and you're gonna let middle class serfs heckling get in your head? It's water off a duck's back.

 

[Tony Romo]

Yeah, management leaking that we tried to acquire Rantenan but Marner wouldn't waive is a shiv job. That's gotta hurt seeing that become a story. Not sure why they'd want that story public unless it provides reasoning for something

I mean, they are probably frustrated by how his contract talks are going plus some are still in the building from the first go around. Also some people saying they feel bad because of the leaks and it's from Ferris and Paul. Marner is 27.

It sucks for all parties but they went on the attack.

 

[francis246]

Is there really anything to this Marner getting harassed IRL? I still cannot see how this is completely overblown/over-exaggerated nonsense.

I have heard stories of him getting harassed in person. Just from people I know in MLSE, I believe those stories are true.

But I think it’s moreso his camp reads everything online and feeds it back to him for some weird reason (I think that’s mainly his family). I don’t know how much of that is happening now but I know in the earlier days that was happening a lot.

 

[IPS]

I have heard stories of him getting harassed in person. Just from people I know in MLSE, I believe those stories are true.

But I think it’s moreso his camp reads everything online and feeds it back to him for some weird reason (I think that’s mainly his family). I don’t know how much of that is happening now but I know in the earlier days that was happening a lot.

The more and more I read into this the more and more I see this is completely a him issue.

You think Nylander would ever let this kind of shit bother him?

 

[Tony Romo]

The more and more I read into this the more and more I see this is completely a him issue.

You think Nylander would ever let this kind of shit bother him?

you can argue on who is the most talented, who you like the most. But Nylander is probably the one best built for this market.

Also Nylander got f***ing killed for a while until it shifted to Marner