Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part X

[Nineteen67]

Are there any places where the overwhelming majority of the people don’t were mask? I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen someone without one in public. The don’t seem to be very effective at preventing people from spreading this virus.

 

[stealth1]

Are there any places where the overwhelming majority of the people don’t were mask? I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen someone without one in public. The don’t seem to be very effective at preventing people from spreading this virus.

Its cause the majority of spread is at home now. You know the place people don't wear masks. Whats so hard to understand?

Its posts like the last few are why my faith in humanity is at zero.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Are there any places where the overwhelming majority of the people don’t were mask? I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen someone without one in public. The don’t seem to be very effective at preventing people from spreading this virus.

I don't think it's likely that very many people contracted the virus while out in public or shopping in a retail outlet. It's happening in people's homes when they let their guard down and continue to have guests over.

 

[stealth1]

I don't think it's likely that very many people contracted the virus while out in public or shopping in a retail outlet. It's happening in people's homes when they let their guard down and continue to have guests over.

You know why businesses had to be closed? Its cause of how people think. There was a few who posted here and many I know who have the thought that if a business can be open why can't I have people over. So unfortunately to combat that line of thought businesses have to suffer.

 

[Nineteen67]

Its cause the majority of spread is at home now. You know the place people don't wear masks. Whats so hard to understand?

Its posts like the last few are why my faith in humanity is at zero.

How are they getting it in the first place? Lack of mask wearing is not the reason people are spreading this at home.

 

[Nineteen67]

I don't think it's likely that very many people contracted the virus while out in public or shopping in a retail outlet. It's happening in people's homes when they let their guard down and continue to have guests over.

If this theory was correct it wouldn't spread at this rate. It’s proximity and exposure and nothing to do with letting down your guard.

 

[stealth1]

How are they getting it in the first place? Lack of mask wearing is not the reason people are spreading this at home.

First of all masks aren't 100% in stopping the spread of Covid. So there is a small chance you can still get it.

What is happening is a small percentage of people are picking it up in public. That small percentage then spread it at home to a big percentage. Especially if people are having gatherings.

 

[stealth1]

If this theory was correct it wouldn't spread at this rate. It’s proximity and exposure and nothing to do with letting down your guard.

But it is letting your guard down by having people over. The more people you have visit the higher amount of people possibly getting infected. That to me is letting your guard down.

 

[Pink Mist]

That violates medical privacy laws.

Airport security going through my luggage violates my privacy too but it's a price to pay for travelling

 

[Pookie]

But the reality IS that everyone masked up very very early in Wuhan. Things still got so bad that they had to crash build new hospitals and force literal house arrest.

So it's silly for you to say "If everyone followed the rules my kids would still have a job". Everyone DID follow the rules in Wuhan. They barely helped.

People have a GREATLY exaggerated viewpoint on the effectiveness of these measures. They're supposed to slightly... slightly... decrease spread so as to flatten the curve. This gave people like you a false sense of such policy's effectiveness.

I know absolutely nothing about what happened in Wuhan.

I do know that peer reviewed studies in reputable medical journals highlight that if everyone in a room is wearing a mask, the odds of Covid transmission are 1.5%.

you will note that even that number is not 100%.

And this new “UK variant” that is here in Canada might alter that number.

so, with confidence I can say that our transmission rates would be lower if everyone wore a mask.

And given the mutations, it has never been more important.

 

[Pookie]

How are they getting it in the first place? Lack of mask wearing is not the reason people are spreading this at home.

one example is in schools.

thorniffe park in Toronto volunteered to have all students tested. They found 19 cases of asymptomatic spread.

Kids that wouldn’t have self screened any alert or would never have been tested.

these 19 go home to families.

the family members aren’t wearing masks at home. Who does?

they get Covid.

worse is if they go visit another household. Those folks get Covid.

and they can be wearing masks at the grocery store and that’s good.

Toronto public health Data shows that >50% of transmission happens in close contact in a scenario like the one I described.

 

[Nineteen67]

First of all masks aren't 100% in stopping the spread of Covid. So there is a small chance you can still get it.

What is happening is a small percentage of people are picking it up in public. That small percentage then spread it at home to a big percentage. Especially if people are having gatherings.

No, if you and everyone is wearing a mask there’s is a high chance you’ll get it if you are exposed for a long period of time. Environmental factors play a role as well.

 

[Pink Mist]

Man what is that guys obsession with Wuhan? Not a post goes by from him without bringing Wuhan up

 

[stealth1]

No, if you and everyone is wearing a mask there’s is a high chance you’ll get it if you are exposed for a long period of time. Environmental factors play a role as well.

That's not true. Second if that was the case then how come its not being spread in businesses?

 

[Pink Mist]

Delete, double post

 

[stealth1]

Man what is that guys obsession with Wuhan? Not a post goes by from him without bringing Wuhan up

He's trying to prove as well as some others that masks don't work and that the only thing that does is a complete lockdown with everything closed.

 

[Nineteen67]

one example is in schools.

thorniffe park in Toronto volunteered to have all students tested. They found 19 cases of asymptomatic spread.

Kids that wouldn’t have self screened any alert or would never have been tested.

these 19 go home to families.

the family members aren’t wearing masks at home. Who does?

they get Covid.

worse is if they go visit another household. Those folks get Covid.

and they can be wearing masks at the grocery store and that’s good.

Toronto public health Data shows that >50% of transmission happens in close contact in a scenario like the one I described.

Folks wear masks in schools, they wear them in my clinic, they wear them in the hospitals, they wear them in factories, they wear them everywhere. Yet, regardless it spreads

 

[Nineteen67]

That's not true. Second if that was the case then how come its not being spread in businesses?

It is.

 

[stealth1]

Folks were masks in schools, they wear them in my clinic, they wear them in the hospitals, they wear them in factories, they wear them everywhere. Yet, regardless it spreads

Yes it spreads in public but the majority is at home. Partly due to time of exposure but also lack of mask wearing. Its been proven they work in lowering the spread.

 

[Nineteen67]

Yes it spreads in public but the majority is at home. Partly due to time of exposure but also lack of mask wearing. Its been proven they work in lowering the spread.

Nope.

 

[Pookie]

Folks wear masks in schools, they wear them in my clinic, they wear them in the hospitals, they wear them in factories, they wear them everywhere. Yet, regardless it spreads

got any kids in school? That leave class on lunch to head to the local Tim Hortons or sub shop at lunch?

count the number of mask wearers.

If everyone wears a mask, the risk of transmission is 1.5%.

incidentally, 1.5% would be 570,000 Canadians. So yeah, we should all expect transmission even with masks.

I’m not sure what your point is anyways... disregard the evidence to go with your ill informed anecdotal observations because it’s not 100%?

here’s a spoiler alert:

The best vaccine is 95% effective. If everyone in Canada got the vaccine, it could still result in 1.5 million cases until we have global eradication.

so, best get used to masks for a long time

 

[Pookie]

Airport security going through my luggage violates my privacy too but it's a price to pay for travelling

society frigging hates it when restaurants are forced to cook our chicken to 160 degrees. If the chef wants to serve it pink.... that’s his or her right.

it also violates our freedom to drive on the right, stop at red lights, drive sober, wear shoes in a restaurant, not take things from peoples’ homes and refrain from punching kids in the face.

what a stupid country we live in

 

[Pookie]

Nope.

actually yep.

COVID-19: Status of Cases in Toronto

 

[4thline]

Man what is that guys obsession with Wuhan? Not a post goes by from him without bringing Wuhan up

They built a lot of hospitals fast with UNPRECEDENTED DRAMATIC CONSTRUCTION

 

[yubbers]

You can yell your theories from the rooftops; I will put my faith in people with medical degrees who have invested years of their lives in studying such phenomenon.

take care.

Please wear a mask, social distance and protect your fellow citizens

Thanks!

Not theories, Facts from the CDC and Statscan. lirl.