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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part VIII - The Long Winter is Here

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Jojalu said:
Deaths in Canada 2020 | Statista

Using the same website, this says Canada has a huge number of excess deaths.

As for Sweden.. Pretty much nothing to argue about
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Odd, there are contradictory numbers here compared to the StatsCan site.

Canada's population increased by 410,000 - but that alone would not explain all of it it. I will try to find those StatsCan numbers again.
 
kb said:
Odd, there are contradictory numbers here compared to the StatsCan site.

Canada's population increased by 410,000 - but that alone would not explain all of it it. I will try to find those StatsCan numbers again.
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I have looked at the Statscan numbers and posted them. They line up with what Statista says.
 
kb said:
Odd, there are contradictory numbers here compared to the StatsCan site.

Canada's population increased by 410,000 - but that alone would not explain all of it it. I will try to find those StatsCan numbers again.
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Using that same website, you can go week by week, month by month, to all countries in the world and it shows high excess deaths all over the world.

This narrative that there is not a pandemic is old and tiring.

The only debate is have we taken the correct measures to combat it?
 
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kb said:
Logic is a cool thing. I like to use it.

Lockdowns cause sick people to infect those they live with or come into close proximity to, especially if they have minimal symptoms like 99+% of cases do.

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Lockdowns don't cause that, even if no lockdown and you live in the same house, your going to infect the others,
I mean, it's not hard to grasp
 
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Jojalu said:
Using that same website, you can go week by week, month by month, to all countries in the world and it shows high excess deaths all over the world.

This narrative that there is not a pandemic is old and tiring.

The only debate is have we taken the correct measures to combat it?
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Definitely there was a spike in April - June worldwide. Now?
 
heard on the radio , Ontario expects to get its first vaccine February 14, then distribution, first up LTC and first line responders.
 
kb said:
Definitely there was a spike in April - June worldwide. Now?
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If we are just talking deaths, than now is worsr than ever before on a global scale.

The US is setting a record everyday. All of Europe is a disaster.

In the spring at it's peak, there were about 8k deaths per day. That number is about 12k per day now.

So for all we have done, we have moved backwards. Seemingly, we have learned nothing as per how to contain it
 
Jojalu said:
If we are just talking deaths, than now is worsr than ever before on a global scale.

The US is setting a record everyday. All of Europe is a disaster.

In the spring at it's peak, there were about 8k deaths per day. That number is about 12k per day now.

So for all we have done, we have moved backwards. Seemingly, we have learned nothing as per how to contain it
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The US, is almost at a Sepember 9-1-1 every day now.
 
Jojalu said:
Using that same website, you can go week by week, month by month, to all countries in the world and it shows high excess deaths all over the world.

This narrative that there is not a pandemic is old and tiring.

The only debate is have we taken the correct measures to combat it?
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Wait a minute. Not so fast here.

So I went week by week and totaled it up. The estimates of deaths they give for 2020 (Statita) are not based on any current numbers, or trends, and are very suspect to say the least. Seems they are taking last years numbers and simply adding on expected Covid deaths by the end of the year to get their estimate numbers.....not very scientific, but great for making a false claim of excess deaths.

Population estimates here:
The Daily — Canada's population estimates, second quarter 2018

Weekly deaths:
Weekly death counts: Interactive tool

Death by all causes through week 38:

2018: Weeks 1 - 38 inclusive: 206,980 Population (estimated): 37,058,856 (July 1st, 2018)

2020: Weeks 1 - 38 inclusive: 208,880 Population (estimated): 38,005,238 (Jul 1st, 2020)

2018 interim death rate: 559 for every 100,000
2020 interim death rate: 550 for every 100,000

I am trying to understand why the death rate is slightly lower in 2020 (through the first 38 weeks) than it was back in 2018?

The hard numbers say that to that latest date shown, there are no excess deaths.

Yeah, it is getting old and tired.
 
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Wait a minute. Not so fast here.

So I went week by week and totaled it up. The estimates of deaths they give for 2020 (Statita) are not based on any current numbers, or trends, and are very suspect to say the least. Seems they are taking last years numbers and simply adding on expected Covid deaths by the end of the year to get their estimate numbers.....not very scientific, but great for making a false claim of excess deaths.

Population estimates here:
The Daily — Canada's population estimates, second quarter 2018

Weekly deaths:
Weekly death counts: Interactive tool

Death by all causes through week 38:

2018: Weeks 1 - 38 inclusive: 206,980 Population (estimated): 37,058,856 (July 1st, 2018)

2020: Weeks 1 - 38 inclusive: 208,880 Population (estimated): 38,005,238 (Jul 1st, 2020)

2018 interim death rate: 559 for every 100,000
2020 interim death rate: 550 for every 100,000

I am trying to understand why the death rate is slightly lower in 2020 (through the first 38 weeks) than it was back in 2018?

The hard numbers say that to that latest date shown, there are no excess deaths.

Yeah, it is getting old and tired.
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I think you nailed it earlier. Another 30-60 days and we should have all the data for the year.

Plus, I agree with you. If the numbers don't correlate with what the narrative was, then answers should be demanded.

Will we get them? Probably not.
 
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Maybe also consider that other causes of deaths (car accidents etc) are down because people have been staying home more often. Same as deaths from the flu going down as a byproduct of covid restrictions.
 
Jojalu said:
I think you nailed it earlier. Another 30-60 days and we should have all the data for the year.

Plus, I agree with you. If the numbers don't correlate with what the narrative was, then answers should be demanded.

Will we get them? Probably not.
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What if what we are doing is working? And its causing the lower numbers? Deaths aren't the only thing. What about the after affects? We still don't know much about that.
 
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What if what we are doing is working? And its causing the lower numbers? Deaths aren't the only thing. What about the after affects? We still don't know much about that.
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Apparently getting hospitals overburdened and making healthcare workers put in 20 hours a day with barely any sleep for weeks or months on is the plan; who cares about them as long as I get mine

:shakehead
 
stealth1 said:
What if what we are doing is working? And its causing the lower numbers? Deaths aren't the only thing. What about the after affects? We still don't know much about that.
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What if it isn't working? What if it isn't causing lower numbers? What if there are effects that mostly go away after a couple of months? We still don't know about that....the burden of proof needs to be based on reality, and not maybe's.
 
Pink Mist said:
Maybe also consider that other causes of deaths (car accidents etc) are down because people have been staying home more often. Same as deaths from the flu going down as a byproduct of covid restrictions.
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Flu is down because of Covid restrictions? Why?
 
kb said:
What if it isn't working? What if it isn't causing lower numbers? What if there are effects that mostly go away after a couple of months? We still don't know about that....the burden of proof needs to be based on reality, and not maybe's.
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Healthcare workers are taking it on the chin. We know that and thats enough no
 
PromisedLand said:
Apparently getting hospitals overburdened and making healthcare workers put in 20 hours a day with barely any sleep for weeks or months on is the plan; who cares about them as long as I get mine

:shakehead
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Lack of healthcare resources is a major problem
 
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