Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part VIII - The Long Winter is Here

[Pink Mist]

Where is the fact checking by an independent, non-affiliated body again?

With my own eyes which saw multiple misspellings and clear font differences

 

[kb]

Um...yes it does. Fauci himself said that anything over 30 cycles is dead RNA that is not going to make people contagious. If you drop the cycles from 40 to 30...you eliminate 90% of the "cases"... don't you wonder why Ontario had 500 cases a day and the hospitals were ready to be over run...and now we have 1500 a day and we are not being over run yet? Gee...why could that be?

I had covid recently...so I am not a "It's a hoax" kind of person...it's real and it can be serious to the vulnerable people out there...but a survival rate above 99.95 for anyone below the age of 60 is pretty much at the level of a bad flu.

God, don't use facts....that's the worst!

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

That's not how any of that works regarding PCR tests and false positives, or even how percentages work.

Btw...I forgot to add...I have been in contact with a doctor who is part of a group that is writing a paper on the cycle counts being a problem. He should be publishing it soon with his cohorts from Johns Hopkins any week now. I will be happy to post a link when its up.

 

[4thline]

Btw...I forgot to add...I have been in contact with a doctor who is part of a group that is writing a paper on the cycle counts being a problem. He should be publishing it soon with his cohorts from Johns Hopkins any week now. I will be happy to post a link when its up.

I linked to a post that contains two studies on cycle counts already completed. The higher cycle counts do create more false positives, but the positives found at higher cycle counts are not a huge proportion of those found at all counts

 

[kb]

Btw...I forgot to add...I have been in contact with a doctor who is part of a group that is writing a paper on the cycle counts being a problem. He should be publishing it soon with his cohorts from Johns Hopkins any week now. I will be happy to post a link when its up.

It's OK... You know nothing. Only the alarmists have all the "facts"

 

[PromisedLand]

Don't have Christmas dinner with your family but do ride on a bus, subway, streetcar, taxi, Uber, Lyft.

17 years of research and development since the initial SARS outbreak: no vaccine approved. 1 year since COVID and several prospective vaccines are lining up to cash in.

The key sleight of hand is the asymptomatic infection/transmission claim. With this, healthy looking and functioning human beings can be treated as pariahs.

Context buddy

taking the bus, uber, streetcar etc.... people would be wearing masks and more often than not vigilant

At home with family; you dont wear mask and relax. If you an asymptomatic spreader you will spread it to your family members who might not be as lucky as you to have no symptoms

 

[PromisedLand]

The US just set a record for most deaths in one day yesterday. They had 3049 deaths due to Covid more then the 9/11 attacks. Yet many here keep saying Covid is no big deal. The US is proving daily that having no restrictions don't work.

For all the mornic posts about "me freedom" blah blah blah and conspiracy theories

NZ and Australia just opened their borders, have zero domestic cases or deaths





It is absolutely PATHETIC the way we reacted to this virus; economy suffered and health still suffers; at least NZ and Australians have to show "health" for the economic impact.

 

[PromisedLand]

The vaccine is NOT rushed, we need to get rid of that narrative.

Essentially, that since this virus IS A Coronavirus, that worked in vaccine makers favour. Why? Because those viruses often work alike, and we already have ton of research put into and have vaccines that are effective against those.

The analogy that scientists used was simple but effective. "It was almost like swapping a blue Lego for a red one in their assemblies."

The picture below explains the folks who are pushing the false narrative

- Before the modern technological advances and understanding of genetic sequencing viruses were grown in teh lab, then isolated to make sure they work; then were studied with different tests to isolate which vaccine/chemical compound would work (approx. 2 to 3 years)

then

approval and funding for trials (about 1 to 2 years)

then

about 1 yr more for certification etc...

in total you are looking at about 5 to 7 years or more.

MODERN technological advnaces like "platform technology" skips the first step altogether to fit the vaccine to the genetic sequencing. Chinese apparently put the genetic sequencing together around mid-january i.e. they did not have to freakin' grow the virus and test various things on it unlike old dinosaur era. Then the fundng and approval processes were prioritized by everyone in the world so they made up time over there too i.e. bureaucratical BS

It really pisses me off when DUMB BS is passed around. I don't have an issue people asking something about which they do not have much knowledge; but voicing "Loud" opinions without knowledge kinda people piss the F outta me.

 

[Jojalu]

Um...yes it does. Fauci himself said that anything over 30 cycles is dead RNA that is not going to make people contagious. If you drop the cycles from 40 to 30...you eliminate 90% of the "cases"... don't you wonder why Ontario had 500 cases a day and the hospitals were ready to be over run...and now we have 1500 a day and we are not being over run yet? Gee...why could that be?

I had covid recently...so I am not a "It's a hoax" kind of person...it's real and it can be serious to the vulnerable people out there...but a survival rate above 99.95 for anyone below the age of 60 is pretty much at the level of a bad flu.

The survival rate of 99.5% is tied to the number of tests they perform. If there are that many false positives, the mortality rate would rise considerably.

It can't be both ways

 

[ULF_55]

Yeah Canada
Canadian technology enables Pfizer’s promising COVID-19 vaccine – NMIN – Nanomedicines Innovation Network

“It doesn’t get any bigger than this,” observes Dr. Cullis. “This is a game-changer for the nanomedicines community, and a great accomplishment for Canadian science and innovation.”

A new era.

Sorry I gotta go feed the horse and pump some water from the well.

 

[Canadian Finn]

The fear of the vaccine is amusing.

 

[PromisedLand]

Yeah Canada
Canadian technology enables Pfizer’s promising COVID-19 vaccine – NMIN – Nanomedicines Innovation Network

“It doesn’t get any bigger than this,” observes Dr. Cullis. “This is a game-changer for the nanomedicines community, and a great accomplishment for Canadian science and innovation.”

A new era.

Sorry I gotta go feed the horse and pump some water from the well.

Nice!!!

Good to see innovation and technology in Canada having an impact on a global state especially global health.

Feeling a little proud even though I had nothing to do with it (may be paying taxes that probably paid a little for that research )

 

[kb]

From the former Chief Science Officer of Pfizer....

Covid PCR test prone to hatching false positives – The Manila Times

More propaganda.

NY TIMES: Up to 90% Who've Tested COVID-Positive Wrongly Diagnosed! TRUTH: A Whole Lot Worse!! (Pt 2)

 

[Canadian Finn]

anyone care to guess what sites/twitter handles kb is getting his manila times info from?

check out the second link.

the "red state" ... you can't make this stuff up.

It's like he's a cartoon character, maybe doing a schtick. But then you realize it's not.

Did you by chance attend a Red State Gathering? Would love to see if you have any pictures from that event

 

[Golden_Jet]

anyone care to guess what sites/twitter handles kb is getting his manila times info from?

check out the second link.

the "red state" ... you can't make this stuff up.

It's like he's a cartoon character, maybe doing a schtick. But then you realize it's not.

Did you by chance attend a Red State Gathering? Would love to see if you have any pictures from that event

I looked at at a couple of other sites just listed by KB
- listed as extreme right winged propaganda, conspiracy and anti Muslim site.

 

[PromisedLand]

For the folks who don't want to take the vaccine because "Tin Foil" or you believe you won't be impacted negatively if you contract covid more power to ya

For the folks who want to take it but are on the fence read this article

 

[PromisedLand]

We Had the Vaccine the Whole Time

Interesting read

This article makes me want to punch Kenny even more eventhough I dont live in Alberta. What a d-bag; trying to cut healthcare during a pandemic

 

[PromisedLand]

anyone care to guess what sites/twitter handles kb is getting his manila times info from?

check out the second link.

the "red state" ... you can't make this stuff up.

It's like he's a cartoon character, maybe doing a schtick. But then you realize it's not.

Did you by chance attend a Red State Gathering? Would love to see if you have any pictures from that event

#Hoax
#FakeNews

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

The underlined is more or less correct. The bolded is an incredible misinterpretation of that the underlined means.

I honestly have no idea what you guys are talking about on this but when I first read the other poster's numbers I immediately imagined a bell curve where indeed dropping from 40 to 30 could result in a 90% change in results. I.e., things like this usually aren't linearly related. Again, I haven't a clue what numbers you guys are talking about, I was just wondering if you're talking about the same thing.

 

[Polaris1010]

U.K. warns those with severe allergies should avoid COVID-19 vaccine for now

Dec 9, 2020

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

The survival rate of 99.5% is tied to the number of tests they perform. If there are that many false positives, the mortality rate would rise considerably.

It can't be both ways

I agree...but then that would mean that it is not as contagious as they claim it is. I think the reason there are so many false positives is because this virus has been in the wild since late summer of 2019. I am sure you know of people who had a really bad case of the flu late last year going into this year. That would mean when they are testing using a 40 cycle PCR test...they are picking up people who HAD it a while ago and due to the way it picks up fragments of RNA and pieces them together...we get a lot of people who come back as positive but without any symptoms.

Another interesting fact is the definition of a CASE...it seems in medical terms...having no symptoms of something you might have was not considered a case until this virus came along....odd

 

[4thline]

I honestly have no idea what you guys are talking about on this but when I first read the other poster's numbers I immediately imagined a bell curve where indeed dropping from 40 to 30 could result in a 90% change in results. I.e., things like this usually aren't linearly related. Again, I haven't a clue what numbers you guys are talking about, I was just wondering if you're talking about the same thing.

I posted the link to a far more intelligent poster than me in 1016, his post has links to a couple of studies. I'm no expert, but I think the basic idea is that while the higher cycle threshold leads to significantly more false positives, it does not contribute greatly to the total number of positives.

 

[Jojalu]

I agree...but then that would mean that it is not as contagious as they claim it is. I think the reason there are so many false positives is because this virus has been in the wild since late summer of 2019. I am sure you know of people who had a really bad case of the flu late last year going into this year. That would mean when they are testing using a 40 cycle PCR test...they are picking up people who HAD it a while ago and due to the way it picks up fragments of RNA and pieces them together...we get a lot of people who come back as positive but without any symptoms.

Another interesting fact is the definition of a CASE...it seems in medical terms...having no symptoms of something you might have was not considered a case until this virus came along....odd

I would bet money myself and half the players I coach had it last year after we returned from Florida in November

 

[kb]

I agree...but then that would mean that it is not as contagious as they claim it is. I think the reason there are so many false positives is because this virus has been in the wild since late summer of 2019. I am sure you know of people who had a really bad case of the flu late last year going into this year. That would mean when they are testing using a 40 cycle PCR test...they are picking up people who HAD it a while ago and due to the way it picks up fragments of RNA and pieces them together...we get a lot of people who come back as positive but without any symptoms.

Another interesting fact is the definition of a CASE...it seems in medical terms...having no symptoms of something you might have was not considered a case until this virus came along....odd

Perhaps this is overly simplistic, but if they can't reliably diagnose a case of Covid, how can they reliably give definite numbers on the amount of fatalities from Covid? Perhaps there is up to 97% false positives there, too?

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I posted the link to a far more intelligent poster than me in 1016, his post has links to a couple of studies. I'm no expert, but I think the basic idea is that while the higher cycle threshold leads to significantly more false positives, it does not contribute greatly to the total number of positives.

Looked at it for a few minutes and dunno what any of that means I might spend some time learning though. The false positives (or lack thereof) have nothing to do with my opinions though. Just interested.