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If I applied the same negative stereotypes, mind reading, and overgeneralizations to a marginalized group as you just did with these groups, I'm pretty sure you'd be one of first people to lose their marbles.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part VIII - The Long Winter is Here
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Golden_Jet
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Thanks for sharing details ... i like to cut to heart of numbers ... my take 20,566 people got both real vaccine shots ... 1,594 of that group got COVID symptoms ... and 2 people died (1 heart attack and 1 arteriosclerosis) ... study dated April 29 - Nov 14 2020
So 7.8% who took shots still got COVID (how does that compare to placebo - a little lower but basically same) so NO real difference in catching it or not right??????????????
But death rate was ALMOST ZERO (0.000097) whereas death rate in Canada today is 339 out of 1,000,000 or (0.00034)
SO BOTTOM LINE YOU ARE 300 X LESS LIKELY TO DIE than what is going on TODAY
Unless I got something wrong it looks like a no brainer to me ... now I can see what it was approved so quick
kb
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They eliminated anyone with severe symptoms at the outset.
The other issue is that there were 6 deaths total in both cohorts in the study, and none of the 6 were confirmed to be from Covid.
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I live in Nova Scotia and today we had only 4 new cases in the province and 1,788 tests completed. Nova Scotia uses mostly PCR tests, but they do some faster rapid tests in areas where there have been outbreaks. But I'm pretty sure all those 1,788 tests were all PCR tests. If these tests were giving lots of false positives because someone had a cold, then Nova Scotia would have much higher numbers. I know that false positive tests have been an issue with some tests... but all I know is that the tests they're doing in Nova Scotia seem accurate and they're not getting lots of false positives. When they do get a positive test result, they can normally trace it back to someone who traveled outside the atlantic bubble.
What in the hell did I just read?
Freedoms, civil liberties and human rights aren't "trivial things", our ancestors fought for those rights over hundreds of years and for them to be dismissed like this is beyond dumb
Those "trivial things" are reasons why you don't live in a 3rd world hell hole and can get decent health care if you get the virus
Also, this makes you look like an elitist prick who doesn't care about the concerns of the plebs who are being run out of business or driven into poverty because of the current Covid policy
Muston Atthews
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just like two weeks to flatten the curve! It’s been reported that we will probably still have to wear masks even with a vaccine so I don’t know how that’s going to work
Yes but 4 of deaths were people who got placebo so it does not do much for me ... only 2 died who got both shots which is number i go by ... i really don't care about getting it as long as i survive ( I already went through it for like 4 days 1st time around) ... to me catching it is really all about bad luck being around someone who has it ... hopefully you get lucky and don't get it .. but if you do you want STATS on your side ... and STATS seem to say you are much less likely to die
I would be shocked if they screened da 40,000 takers to get only people in great health ... that would really PISS me off and completely invalidate da entire STUDY
Depends how you define "great health". But pregnant people and those with a history of allergies to vaccines weren't part of the study. But that's normal for clinical trials
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It's because when people argue their freedoms are getting trampled, it's complete BS and makes no sense.
People are asking their fellow citizens to look out for other citizens, but they aren't getting that because people are entitled and selfish.
Anti-mask rallies, not following proper protocols...all of those prolong what we are going through right now.
No one is saying freedom is trivial, I am saying when people think in situations like this they are doing it in the name of freedom is asinine.
No one is going to anti-mask rallies because of freedom, they're going their because they're assholes.
No one refuses to wear a mask because it's their right to not wear it, they're refusing to wear it because they're assholes.
I've said from the beginning that small business got the shaft here, but that's because the government dropped the ball, and our fellow citizens aren't doing much to help there either.
As for your last sentence, I've mentioned before that I am a property and business owner. I am working with all of my tenants with their leases and rent relief. I have my own expenses on those properties as well. I understand this situation better than most. And when I see people not capable of following rules, or having a government in-charge that doesn't know what they're doing, it puts all of us in a jam even longer.
Long lasting, I'd start with years and progress to decades. Sort of like the long lasting effects of smoking.
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Seems very mushy to me...I don't trust Pfizer one bit.
Want to know how this is all going to be done? They are now testing at 40 cycles on the PCR machines...once the vaccine is rolled out they will roll it back to 35 cycles (that means about 40% false positives are gone)...then a few months later they roll it back even further to 30 cycles (where it should have been from the get go) and you get 90% reduction in positive cases. So that lines up with the 90% success rate they claim. Viola!! we have now successfully beaten Covid and in order to keep it that way...you need a vaccine every year (just to make sure)...even though Polio vaccines were one shot along with a myriad of other major illness vaccines...but this one is different...it needs lots of pokes and we are going to make sure you take those pokes by government decree...every single year.
Golden_Jet
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That's not how any of that works regarding PCR tests and false positives, or even how percentages work.
To medications. We're not talking nut allegeries and things like that
What? There freedoms are being trampled and I'd be disappointed if people didn't want to go out and protest them
Freedom to peaceably assemble, freedom of association are things you know
It's always the same, it's those nasty rule breakers and government officials ruining it for everybody else rather than the fact something this transmissible isn't controllable once it's seeded into a large population
Except that is currently being controlled/semi-successfully contained, it just can't be eradicated.
If were weren't exerting a level of control on "something this transmissible" we'd be looking at an exponential curve
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The issue with PCR test is the Cycle thresholds have been set too high.
Viral cultures for COVID-19 infectious potential assessment – a systematic review
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Complete live viruses are necessary for transmission, not the fragments identified by PCR. Prospective routine testing of reference and culture specimens and their relationship to symptoms, signs and patient co-factors should be used to define the reliability of PCR for assessing infectious potential. Those with high cycle threshold are unlikely to have infectious potential.”
kb
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None of the deaths in the placebo group were from Covid either. So the vaccine saved all the lives of those who didn't get it too? So maybe, just maybe....I shouldn't get it because I will be protected from death regardless of whether or not I get the vaccine?
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kb
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Enlighten us over and above what the manufacturer themselves state the limitations are.
I assume you have tested this thoroughly independently and can supply us all with the numbers to discredit the manufacturer's label.
Please, I am all eager to learn.
The fact that you've convinced yourself that the Australian DoH is the manufacturer says otherwise. You've locked into bullshit and are too proud to back out.
But here's thing one. Stop posting nonsense. It's literally fraudulently created propaganda. You're better than this.
Misleading claim circulates about the accuracy of COVID-19 tests in Australia
Re Cycle counts, see this post from a far more informed poster than me
The Mask thread Part VI
The high cycle counts can create a higher likelihood of false positives, but only in the small percentage of positives that are "caught" by the higher cycle count. It's a question of proportions
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usernamezrhardtodo
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Um...yes it does. Fauci himself said that anything over 30 cycles is dead RNA that is not going to make people contagious. If you drop the cycles from 40 to 30...you eliminate 90% of the "cases"... don't you wonder why Ontario had 500 cases a day and the hospitals were ready to be over run...and now we have 1500 a day and we are not being over run yet? Gee...why could that be?
I had covid recently...so I am not a "It's a hoax" kind of person...it's real and it can be serious to the vulnerable people out there...but a survival rate above 99.95 for anyone below the age of 60 is pretty much at the level of a bad flu.
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1) are they all using the very same cycle threshold?
2) are the population densities the same for your comparison groups?
3) Does the PCR test (and threshold) 100% identify only Covid cases, and exclude all others? That is NOT what the test manufacturer says. The fact that the same test doesn't have the same warning in different countries only shows the level of censorship, not the level of positive cases.
Answer those first, and I have a dozen other ones. Science is about controls and replication. The Pfizer tests were performed on "Suspected but unconfirmed Covid" cases. That's all anyone needs to know about the Pfizer trials.
This isn't science. This is propaganda.
2) are the population densities the same for your comparison groups?
3) Does the PCR test (and threshold) 100% identify only Covid cases, and exclude all others? That is NOT what the test manufacturer says. The fact that the same test doesn't have the same warning in different countries only shows the level of censorship, not the level of positive cases.
Answer those first, and I have a dozen other ones. Science is about controls and replication. The Pfizer tests were performed on "Suspected but unconfirmed Covid" cases. That's all anyone needs to know about the Pfizer trials.
This isn't science. This is propaganda.
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kb
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The underlined is more or less correct. The bolded is an incredible misinterpretation of that the underlined means.
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