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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part VIII - The Long Winter is Here

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The Hanging Jowl said:
Well, it's a charter right to be able to move freely between provinces. As in, it's written right into the charter I can go anywhere in the country. I own a property in NS and I will be wanting to go there. What if NS says I need an immunity passport to go there? Is that an infringement on my rights? This isn't a thought exercise, I'm actually worried about that.
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That's a good point. It likely would be. But NS saying that you need one to enter commercial establishments while you're there likely wouldn't be.
 
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usernamezrhardtodo said:
Exactly....It's not like they issue a warning with every passport that you might get some weird unforeseen complication after you take possession of it.

People say it isn't mandatory...yet they sure are making it seem like it is. Problem is...most people want someone else to take the shot and they "might" get it themselves at a later date if they see the people that got it first are ok. Problem is...a lot of stuff may happen to your body at a much later date...that should worry people.

If I had to take a shot it would be the Astrazeneca vaccine that is done with a neutered virus and not this MRNA- first time in history we made a vaccine this way crap- from Pfizer or Moderna. I can deal with the regular style vaccines...its the new stuff that has not been thoroughly investigated for years that I am not going near.
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Good point. I haven’t really looked at the differences between the vaccines. Hopefully professionals can explain this to the public prior to immunization.
 
Golden_Jet said:
I thought there was an Atlantic bubble all summer, where as only way in was 14 day quarantine
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I'm not an expert, but off the cuff I'd say that could be differentiated based on
-active state of emergency (which wouldn't be the case in a hypothetical "later" when someone is being barred for not having their shot
-being universal (no one is being discriminated against)
 
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Golden_Jet said:
I thought there was an Atlantic bubble all summer, where as only way in was 14 day quarantine
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Yup, I went there 3 times this summer. Easy for me since the point of us going there is to isolate and I have family there for help (although it was easy to bring 2 weeks of stuff with us). All of that changes if they bring in more restrictive entry requirements (like what we're discussing).
 
waingr0 said:
As opposed to your CNN sources? I don't give a shit which news stationAre you going to listen to the Doctor or not? It's not like his words are being edited.
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Well supposedly Facebook and others shut him down I read.
 
4thline said:
I'm not an expert, but off the cuff I'd say that could be differentiated based on
-active state of emergency (which wouldn't be the case in a hypothetical "later" when someone is being barred for not having their shot
-being universal (no one is being discriminated against)
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Yes, even what they're doing now is technically against the charter but they get around it because of the state of emergency. No one's challenged it yet so who knows how legal it is. I bet that changes if there's an immunity passport requirement.
 
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waingr0 said:
As opposed to your CNN sources? Are you going to listen to the Doctor or not? It's not like his words are being edited.
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i was genuinely asking; fox is a pos and i dont believe what they say.

if this is a scientific result then it should be avilable from other sources besides just one source. These trails apparently were done in Latin America; so there should be a medical study pointing to it that is peer reviewed and endorsed by majority of medical practitioners
 
cbbb25 said:
Where in our rights does it say that a private business has to serve you? People seem to be all pro-capitalism until the rules don't bend to their conformity. Its not a right to attend a leaf game or go to a restaurant.

So get vaccinated or not but you cant belly ache that you cant attend leaf games because you decided to be the minority who didn't want to get vaccinated. Part of the population is also nudists and they are restricted on how they can interact with the rest of society as well. Such as wear clothes to attend a leafs game.
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Can the Leafs or any other business refuse entry based on anything? Nope.
 
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Nineteen67 said:
Can the Leafs or any other business refuse entry based on anything? Nope.
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No, there definitely isn't a standing mandate for many Ontario workplaces is screen entrants and refuse entry based on answers to a questionaire, and/or temperature spot check
 
Nineteen67 said:
Can the Leafs or any other business refuse entry based on anything? Nope.
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Hypothetical- but lets say the vaccine only means the person doesn't get sick but still carries it. Lets say its May 10th and the Leafs are in the playoffs, I got my vaccine in march and in early May I travel to Florida where there is a massive outbreak but I don't care since I have the vaccine. I come home and Scotia bank arena says if you've travelled outside the country within the last 14 days you cannot attend. Your pumped because you haven't so you get tickets, I say they cant discriminate against me for travelling and I have the vaccine so who cares.

Do you support me going to the game and possibly sitting with you or would you want Scotia bank to at least try to stop people coming from hot spots from attending?

If you say you support my decision to go and I should be able to then thumbs up. Where society runs into problems is when the non-vaccinated then start trying to do the very thing they are arguing against.
 
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cbbb25 said:
Hypothetical- but lets say the vaccine only means the person doesn't get sick but still carries it. Lets say its May 10th and the Leafs are in the playoffs, I got my vaccine in march and in early May I travel to Florida where there is a massive outbreak but I don't care since I have the vaccine. I come home and Scotia bank arena says if you've travelled outside the country within the last 14 days you cannot attend. Your pumped because you haven't so you get tickets, I say they cant discriminate against me for travelling and I have the vaccine so who cares.

Do you support me going to the game and possibly sitting with you or would you want Scotia bank to at least try to stop people coming from hot spots from attending?

If you say you support my decision to go and I should be able to then thumbs up. Where society runs into problems is when the non-vaccinated then start trying to do the very thing they are arguing against.
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If I’m at the game I accept the risk. I’m healthy and not too old to be at risk. I’d go to a game right now, in Florida, and wouldn’t think anything of it.
 
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Nineteen67 said:
If I’m at the game I accept the risk. I’m healthy and not too old to be at risk. I’d go to a game right now, in Florida, and wouldn’t think anything of it.
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Then zero issues. I don't care if people don't want to get vaccinated personally, the business side is interesting. Im mostly nervous that so many people won't want to get vaccinated that my tailgating and overall game is ruined because those anti-vaxxers are going to be walking on egg shells when I start screaming or passing around funnels at the tailgate because covid is still out there.

Once we reach 60-70% population vaccinated then I want all restrictions lifted. I don't want to wear masks to games, I don't want anymore of this social distancing. Time to go back to normal whether your vaccinated at 60-70% or your not.
 
MLSE won’t let you in with a gun, knife, alcohol, food, camera with removable lens, just to name a few.
 
The Hanging Jowl said:
Who said otherwise? I wouldn't serve someone that has Covid either. But what does that have to do with whether I have a vaccination passport or not?

Ironically though, my dentist has upped his texting game recently constantly badgering me to come in (which tells me he's hurting) and I keep saying no because...you know, Covid.
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so they can choose who they serve.
 
GQS said:
Why are people so quick to give up their freedoms so easily over such a minor virus??

1. After all this time barely 1% of all Canadians have been infected by the virus so why are people worried about a virus that hasn't even touched 99% of Canadians in the country?

2. The overwhelming number of people affected are long term care patients and the most sick people. IE the general population has remained almost completely untouched all this time.

3. The vaccine when it becomes widespread will be available to anyone who wants it and supposedly its very effective against the virus.

So why the need to either force or punish people who choose not to take the vaccine when there's absolutely no reason to other than the media and our leaders has done such an amazing and effective job of putting fear into people to the point that many will comply with anything they say?
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there are a lot rules in every country.

people can pretend they are free doesn't make it so.
 
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