Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part VIII - The Long Winter is Here

[Nineteen67]

People that said “they’d never come and take my guns”?

 

[nsleaf]

The Leafs, because they have not won a cup in 105 years.

 

[Gabriel426]

In BC, our top Health advisor is Dr. Bonny Henry, who actually encouraged people to ski at our local mountains. Let’s just say, a lot of people are listening to her.
Can’t wait to see the results from this.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

They've changed the rules for students in that if they show even one symptom such as a runny nose, they are told to get tested, or stay home for 10 days. Their siblings are to do the same as well.

Absolutely beyond ridiculous. No way schools are re-opening after Christmas.

We have to protect our teachers ... there is no supply list anymore given online learning ... when teachers go down VP's and principals are filling in da classroom ... that is reality of it .. there are even cases where healthy classes have been sent to gym due to lack of teachers ... that is why kids are being sent home at a crazy rate ... but Ford had to get school back so our essential Walmart workers could go to work ... stupid cycle of stupid will continue

 

[Mickey Marner]

In BC, our top Health advisor is Dr. Bonny Henry, who actually encouraged people to ski at our local mountains. Let’s just say, a lot of people are listening to her.
Can’t wait to see the results from this.

Transmission on the mountains themselves is probably less likely to result in death than a skiing accident. The chalets are another story. Perhaps heated gazebos could be a solution.

 

[Kiwi]

We have to protect our teachers ... there is no supply list anymore given online learning ... when teachers go down VP's and principals are filling in da classroom ... that is reality of it .. there are even cases where healthy classes have been sent to gym due to lack of teachers ... that is why kids are being sent home at a crazy rate ... but Ford had to get school back so our essential Walmart workers could go to work ... stupid cycle of stupid will continue

What would you have him do?

If people can't buy essential's at Wal-Mart or food at the local supermarket because the people staffing it have to stay at home and look after school aged children bad things are going to happen

So unless you have some ideas on that little conundrum I'd cut him some slack on that one

 

[MapleLeafs77]

If you only read some of the posters in this thread, you'd think all businesses are locked down and the government is trapping us all in our homes a gunpoint.

I don't know about you guys, but my life is basically unchanged except for having to wear a mask when I go out. I don't even get wtf these guys are whining about. Basically everything is open.

Um what? How many people have been fired this year? How many people have had their businesses closed forever this year? How is our economy? How is the entertainment industry? Did you need any surgeries this year that got postponed? Did you go see any movies or sporting events or concerts or house partys? How is the movie industry business with all the cinemas closed? Did you go out for weekends with some buddies to a club or bar? Is the NHL or NBA playing right now? How was halloween or easter or thanskgiving? Have you seen your family much this year? How was working at the office with your coworkers? Did you do much traveling this year or get away to europe for the summer?

This year has been complete garbage. Our lives arent meant to be just about staying home and working. We work (for those who still have jobs) so that we can can enjoy things like going out for dinner at restaurants or going to the movies on a friday night or going to a leafs playoff game or going to europe in the summer.

Saying life hasnt changed except you wear a mask is ridiculous. Peoples lived have been destroyed this year. Sorry but we need to go back to normal ASAP.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

If you only read some of the posters in this thread, you'd think all businesses are locked down and the government is trapping us all in our homes a gunpoint.

I don't know about you guys, but my life is basically unchanged except for having to wear a mask when I go out. I don't even get wtf these guys are whining about. Basically everything is open.

You are very fortunate then my man. I would chose your words carefully, just like I would advise someone who goes around saying covid isn’t a big deal because they don’t know anyone that has it.

 

[Polaris1010]

Covid is like car accidents.

Have you been in a car accident? Did you die? If you are reading this message, then there is a slim chance you did not perish in your car accident.

You can get Covid and still not die. You can get into a car accident and still might not die. Therefore, Covid and car accidents are almost the same!

But Covid and car accidents are not the same.

One is random in occurrence, and can be contagious, and is exponential in growth.

Yes, we are talking about the pile up here on the highway.

This is the problem. Painfully clear that there is a lack of science awareness and math awareness in general society. People reject math and science to put it bluntly. This is rather shocking, because math and science are pillars of the modern world. People essentially reject the modern world. That is why these threads goes in circles.

What I want to know something about, is how many variants are there of SARS-CoV-2 so far, how is this virus mutating, and are there really differences in virulence?

Just a simple lay person speaking here.

We cannot have those conversations because we cannot get by the current ones.

 

[nsleaf]

Covid is like car accidents.

Have you been in a car accident? Did you die? If you are reading this message, then there is a slim chance you did not perish in your car accident.

You can get Covid and still not die. You can get into a car accident and still might not die. Therefore, Covid and car accidents are almost the same!

But Covid and car accidents are not the same.

One is random in occurrence, and can be contagious, and is exponential in growth.

Yes, we are talking about the pile up here on the highway.

This is the problem. Painfully clear that there is a lack of science awareness and math awareness in general society. People reject math and science to put it bluntly. This is rather shocking, because math and science are pillars of the modern world. People essentially reject the modern world. That is why these threads goes in circles.

What I want to know something about, is how many variants are there of SARS-CoV-2 so far, how is this virus mutating, and are there really differences in virulence?

Just a simple lay person speaking here.

We cannot have those conversations because we cannot get by the current ones.

Without math and science, there would be no internet!

 

[Throw More Waffles]

The seatbelt analogy directly applies to mask wearing and many/most of the nonsensical "arguments" against it, it's not about the entirety of the situation.

Was there decades of science claiming that seatbelts are NOT necessary and effective? Then the science changed overnight once seatbelts became a political issue in America during an election year?

 

[ACC1224]

If you only read some of the posters in this thread, you'd think all businesses are locked down and the government is trapping us all in our homes a gunpoint.

I don't know about you guys, but my life is basically unchanged except for having to wear a mask when I go out. I don't even get wtf these guys are whining about. Basically everything is open.

It depends on the individual. I very much miss concerts, live sports, travel, etc.

 

[Nineteen67]

It depends on the individual. I very much miss concerts, live sports, travel, etc.

I have saved a lot of money by not traveling and going to sporting events this year.
We are planning a Vegas trip to watch a hockey game and football game in late 2021 so they better get this crap sorted out.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

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This is what I am trying to tell people, the government mismanaged this thing from the beginning.

It's pretty much the only thing that is undisputed. In their defense, it is not like anyone is really handling it all that well, at least when it comes to highly populated areas. It's a lot easier for certain regions/countries to fight a pandemic than others.

I think the main thing is that nobody really knows what they are doing, including the health experts. I don't blame them per say, because if they acted like they did not know anything, then certainly nobody would believe them. It is painfully obvious that they are pretty much just making up things as they go at this point. The government is effectively just using them as scapegoats because they don't know any better themselves, which is also somewhat understandable, since I would hope that the government trusts their health experts in these kinds of situations.

I think the thing that peeves me the most is that they should be more serious about handing out fines for rule breakers, especially the blatant ones, and the people who are yelling at others to wear a mask or whatever but then they are doing stupid things that are even more harmful without even realizing it. It's pretty sad when there are people are trying to be super progressive but they are just causing even more problems without even realizing it.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

What would you have him do?

If people can't buy essential's at Wal-Mart or food at the local supermarket because the people staffing it have to stay at home and look after school aged children bad things are going to happen

So unless you have some ideas on that little conundrum I'd cut him some slack on that one

In terms of the online learning, I think they should have been more proactive in preparing independent learning modules that can be reused across all of the boards. The learning is supposed to be universal, so you should be able to get a handful of teachers prepare universal modules which can be passed on to all kids in the province rather than having a teacher teach it in real time. It would cut down the differentiation of teaching quality found across different boards, since every kid would get access to the same teachers and resources, so added bonus.

It'll take a lot more discipline, and the teachers likely would have had to sacrifice their summer to prepare the modules, but it should at least figure out older kids. You watch the class on your own time, or during class time, and then if you have any questions, you ask the teacher during the allocated class time where the teacher would spend 90% of the time trying to teach the kids, or use an online forum like this one where they can post questions, and you have specific teachers (who can be from literally anywhere) to answer them on the board... And anyone from anywhere can read the answers. That is literally how they do a bunch of university courses right now, and it is pretty much seamless.

Then you can literally recycle it year after year, at least for some courses. Or worst case, they need to remake certain modules once again, but they'd have to do that for their lesson plans anyways.

They completely have their pants down whenever there are ever anything that causes kids not to be able to get to class. It was a major problem with the strikes last year, and now with the pandemic, it is happening all over again. Obviously it is somewhat different for strikes than a pandemic, but it is obvious that there is a major systemic flaw, just like with the long-term care homes. Hopefully this pandemic will finally help them realize it, because it is costing taxpayers money, it is a lot for teachers to handle, and it is simply just inefficient.

 

[francis246]

In terms of the online learning, I think they should have been more proactive in preparing independent learning modules that can be reused across all of the boards. The learning is supposed to be universal, so you should be able to get a handful of teachers prepare universal modules which can be passed on to all kids in the province rather than having a teacher teach it in real time. It would cut down the differentiation of teaching quality found across different boards, since every kid would get access to the same teachers and resources, so added bonus.

It'll take a lot more discipline, and the teachers likely would have had to sacrifice their summer to prepare the modules, but it should at least figure out older kids. You watch the class on your own time, or during class time, and then if you have any questions, you ask the teacher during the allocated class time where the teacher would spend 90% of the time trying to teach the kids, or use an online forum like this one where they can post questions, and you have specific teachers (who can be from literally anywhere) to answer them on the board... And anyone from anywhere can read the answers. That is literally how they do a bunch of university courses right now, and it is pretty much seamless.

Then you can literally recycle it year after year, at least for some courses. Or worst case, they need to remake certain modules once again, but they'd have to do that for their lesson plans anyways.

They completely have their pants down whenever there are ever anything that causes kids not to be able to get to class. It was a major problem with the strikes last year, and now with the pandemic, it is happening all over again. Obviously it is somewhat different for strikes than a pandemic, but it is obvious that there is a major systemic flaw, just like with the long-term care homes. Hopefully this pandemic will finally help them realize it, because it is costing taxpayers money, it is a lot for teachers to handle, and it is simply just inefficient.

anyone who is a teacher understands why this is problematic. Again I’ve mentioned it before, I am a teacher and the last thing I want is the government preparing modules. They don’t know shit about teaching or student needs. It would be a disaster.

EDIT: Also learning is far from universal. No one individual learns the same as one another. It’s why student grades have been drastically lower this year. It’s why student stress and behaviour has increased this year. Learning had to be student specific and catered to their specific learning needs. Doing so gives the student the best chance to be successful.

 

[francis246]

They've changed the rules for students in that if they show even one symptom such as a runny nose, they are told to get tested, or stay home for 10 days. Their siblings are to do the same as well.

Absolutely beyond ridiculous. No way schools are re-opening after Christmas.

lecce already said we are going back

 

[SeaOfBlue]

anyone who is a teacher understands why this is problematic. Again I’ve mentioned it before, I am a teacher and the last thing I want is the government preparing modules. They don’t know shit about teaching or student needs. It would be a disaster.

EDIT: Also learning is far from universal. No one individual learns the same as one another. It’s why student grades have been drastically lower this year. It’s why student stress and behaviour has increased this year. Learning had to be student specific and catered to their specific learning needs. Doing so gives the student the best chance to be successful.

I am not saying the government should prepare modules. I am saying that the teachers should prepare the modules and then not have to spend the class time teaching the material rather than reviewing it and answering questions or providing the real value in the classroom. It's extra work, but one would hope that it saves time in the long run.

The modules should be universal, just like you are not teaching one kid in a class different things in a different way than another kid in the class. At least not when you are teaching the material in front of the entire class. Maybe certain kids do not respond as well to specific ways of teaching, but once again, that would be the same issue that persists in a traditional learning environment.

A kid in a low income neighbourhood where teachers may not have as many resources should not be taught worse than a kid in a rich neighbourhood where teachers have better resources.

Everyone has different needs and needs different levels of assistance, hence why it likely does not work the best for younger kids and why everyone should still have the opportunity to interact with teachers and get that assistance. It's not designed to necessarily cut down teacher jobs as much as changing their role from lecturer to teacher. It lets kids go at their own speed (they can re-watch it as many times as they like, while other kids can move ahead if they understand a topic better) and spend more time asking questions when they have the teacher's time. They use the modules to gain the initial interaction with the material, can refer back to it at any time, and then can ask the teacher questions based on the module during class time. For high school kids especially, they have to get used to it because that is how it is in University often works, especially for the STEM classes.

However I am not a teacher, so if I were doing this properly and not on a Hockey Forum, I would take their perspective into account as well for feasibility reasons, but that is likely where learning is trending... If not due to pandemics, etc., then because the government will find any way to cut down teaching jobs and cut corners by half-assing the implementation of online learning.

 

[hfman]

I'm talking primarily about masks.

Edit: And by social distancing, I'm referring more to things like allowing more working from home arrangements, less face-to-face meetings, barriers between customers and employees etc

backpeddling now

 

[hfman]

You make some good point here and there, but this? This is a HUGE no. Unless I misunderstood you. Are you saying that, from now on, Covid or not, we should strive to wear masks and social distance for flu season? (November to March)

Yes. I'm certain that will happen and I don't see the problem with that.

lol.

there are no words

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Without math and science, there would be no internet!

Without lamps, there'd be no light.

 

[hfman]

Did you go see any movies or sporting events or concerts or house partys? Did you go out for weekends with some buddies to a club or bar?

most people in this topic have never done any of these things in their entire lives. That's why they are cool with wearing a mask and "social distancing" forever: it won't stop them from going out and socialising because they never went out and socialised to begin with

 

[TheTotalPackage]

lecce already said we are going back

I truly wish they do. And I know they did a complete 180 within days of announcing the likely extension. But I’m not convinced anymore with these new rules — a runny nose requires a COVID test?! Yikes.

What happened at Thorncliffe Park with the rapid tests and discovering all those positive tests was a game changer IMO. Although, I have thought, seeing that, I’m certain way more people have had COVID and had no clue (as in, felt no affects).

 

[Jojalu]

most people in this topic have never done any of these things in their entire lives. That's why they are cool with wearing a mask and "social distancing" forever: it won't stop them from going out and socialising because they never went out and socialised to begin with

I am surprised how much I miss going to concerts and sporting events. The Bills are finally good after having season tickets for years when they sucked!!

I miss going to a pub and watching some band continue their dream of one day making it!!

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

most people in this topic have never done any of these things in their entire lives. That's why they are cool with wearing a mask and "social distancing" forever: it won't stop them from going out and socialising because they never went out and socialised to begin with

Also, lots of people in this topic also clearly have nothing and have nothing to lose and don't give a flying fadoo what's happening to others. They think they're the compassionate ones saving lives too.