Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part IX- Now Featuring More Lockdowns

[Pink Mist]

No, just sharing something posted by the news editor at AM640 in Toronto this morning. They are owned by Global and have taken a hard left over the last few years ago I doubt they'd provide a conspiracy theory fake stat so I felt confident sharing it.

But I didn't know you were in healthcare (thank you by the way). Are you saying your experience is different and that ICUs are busier this year? Very curious.

lmao you're living in a fantasy world if you think AM640 and Global are hard left.

And based on family members I know who work in healthcare, ICUs are busier (at least in the hospitals they work for)

 

[Muston Atthews]

Can you give an example of long term effects that would take more than 5 months after the doses to appear?

The vaccine itself is gone from your body within a couple weeks.

Guess we’ll find out. I’m not first in line to get it at this point so hopefully nothing but I’m not going to be rushing to get it until I see some sort of long term effects/ am forced to by work

 

[stealth1]

Guess we’ll find out. I’m not first in line to get it at this point so hopefully nothing but I’m not going to be rushing to get it until I see some sort of long term effects/ am forced to by work

By the time we are able to get it you will have your answer.

 

[nsleaf]

I'll take vaccine, I'd rather make history than be history.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I'll take your word for it but I still say you're the minority. My "rant" was edited in your post and the original completely deleted by mods but I didn't really see it as a rant, I thought it was a good analogy over people preaching to others because their lifestyle or behaviour is marginally better. No idea what was controversial about that but we do live in sensitive times.

You can do this if you were fortunate to buy/live in a bigger house before prices went sky high. So there are a few people who can do it. But you are very right on this point. MOST people can't do it. It is impossible for MOST in GTA to sanction off a room and bathroom and seal someone off. We could do it and we did with me. But most just can't. Unfortunately da cat is out of bag and it is too late to stop da surge. Brampton does not have da ability to do it. Their cases are quadruple every other city like Mississauga (and some well over 20 times worse). You have 3 or 4 families living in one 2,000 sq ft house. There is no bloody way they have self isolate 1 person. So all 12 people now get COVID. and 1 or 2 older ones go to hospital. This is da truth on what is going on here. People who think otherwise are just not properly informed of how things really work in certain pockets of GTA.

 

[stealth1]

You can do this if you were fortunate to buy/live in a bigger house before prices went sky high. So there are a few people who can do it. But you are very right on this point. MOST people can't do it. It is impossible for MOST in GTA to sanction off a room and bathroom and seal someone off. We could do it and we did with me. But most just can't. Unfortunately da cat is out of bag and it is too late to stop da surge. Brampton does not have da ability to do it. Their cases are quadruple every other city like Mississauga (and some well over 20 times worse). You have 3 or 4 families living in one 2,000 sq ft house. There is no bloody way they have self isolate 1 person. So all 12 people now get COVID. and 1 or 2 older ones go to hospital. This is da truth on what is going on here. People who think otherwise are just not properly informed of how things really work in certain pockets of GTA.

I understand that to be the reason for a lot of the high number of cases. I get the not being able to self isolate at home. I had that issue in March when my wife had symptoms and got tested. Since she couldn't isolate, I just quarantined with her. Stayed home from work for 2 weeks.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

MOST people can't do it. .

There are Canadians traveling to the U.S. and then returning - that seems to be what you are talking about.

There is also Canadians living in the U.S. who visit Canada.

Quarantines apply in both of these situations. Best to understand the situation and have clarity. I know several people in the latter category who quarantined. Several of those stayed in the GTA, and they are not rich.

 

[Treb]

Guess we’ll find out. I’m not first in line to get it at this point so hopefully nothing but I’m not going to be rushing to get it until I see some sort of long term effects/ am forced to by work

Some people have been vaccinated for 8 months already with the Pfizer vaccine and no one have been turning into super mutants.

You also have people who were injected with other mRNA vaccines up to 13 years ago.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

There are Canadians traveling to the U.S. and then returning - that seems to be what you are talking about.

There is also Canadians living in the U.S. who visit Canada.

Quarantines apply in both of these situations. Best to understand the situation and have clarity. I know several people in the latter category who quarantined. Several of those stayed in the GTA, and they are not rich.

My dad does it back and forth between Naples and here for his cancer treatments so I am well aware of how that works too. But again most of these people are rich. If you have 2 paid off homes in Naples and Mississauga then you are rich. If your doc and medical support team are in Naples then that's where you are gonna continue your care. Everyone can get it but only da few can afford to do it. Anywho most of these florida people came back to Canada and are living here all da time until they get vaccine. I was talking about certain cities in GTA where they live 2-4 families per house as per their culture. Bottom line you and I can't change that cultural dynamic. And it is why Brampton has BY FAR da worst RED HOT spot in Canada.

 

[GQS]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-coronavirus-covid-19-deena-hinshaw-1.5843814

Everytime I read an article like this, it seems like the virus is completely out of control and we're all screwed if we don't take every action possible to stop the virus from spreading, but then when you go to their own government website to see the actual facts all of a sudden you get a whole new perspective:

COVID-19 Alberta statistics

I mean should the people of Alberta be going insane over the virus when a grand total of 32 PEOPLE UNDER 60 and a total of 105 people under the age of 70 have died to the virus so far? 105 under the age of 70 have died out of a population of 4.4 million and I think its pretty easy to understand why many people aren't going insane over the virus nor should they.

Its the same here in Ontario where 1,237 people UNDER THE AGE OF 70 have died to date and 705 of those deaths are between 70-79. Should we really need to go nuts over a virus and take such drastic measures to stop it while wreaking people's lives when 70% of all covid deaths in Ontario are people 80+ in age? I mean 4,050 covid deaths to date in Ontario out of a population of 14.5 million and 70% of them are in the 80+ age group is what we should wreak our society over? Really??

You can check Ontario's covid stats daily from here and see for yourself:

COVID-19 case data: All Ontario

Can all the 'Covid is super serious and deadly' people understand why looking at those kinds of numbers get why many people aren't nearly as scared of the virus as you are? I think its possible to acknowledge that covid is a significant virus that needs to be dealt with without going insane and believing that dealing with the virus requires massively damaging our nation and millions of people's lives over it.

 

[justashadowof]

 

[HoweHullOrr]

My dad does it back and forth between Naples and here ........ But again most of these people are rich .......

I remember you saying this before (months ago). Like I've said already, I personally know people who quarantined in Canada who have two citizenships (& residences). They are NOT rich. Far from it. Condos in Florida were dirt cheap after the market crunch in 2002. Not sure how many times I need to repeat this. The point I'm making is that it isn't as rare as some people think (or want to make it out to be). If its important, you do what you got to do, and make it work.

 

[justashadowof]

I remember you saying this before (months ago). Like I've said already, I personally know people who quarantined in Canada who have two citizenships (& residences). They are NOT rich. Far from it. Condos in Florida were dirt cheap after the market crunch in 2002. Not sure how many times I need to repeat this. The point I'm making is that it isn't as rare as some people think (or want to make it out to be). If its important, you do what you got to do, and make it work.

If you live like that then you're better off than 90% of the North American population.

 

[Community]

They sure as better hope the lockdowns work this time. And I wish there was a way for those calling for hard lockdowns (politicians, hardcore Liberals, those with cushy jobs working from home) to feel the pinch monetarily because of them.

My fear is they shut things down for the next 4 weeks, with schools extending the Christmas break by at least two weeks (it is going to happen). We'll see the post-Christmas surge from the gatherings that will happen despite the plea they don't. Then the numbers will slowly tail off. Then the powers that be will pat themselves on their backs for bringing the numbers down through these hardcore lockdowns. All the while -- More jobs lost. More businesses closed. More people requiring government support.

Then they slowly open things up again. Cases start to creep up again with the loosening of restrictions. Then we wonder if it was really worth shutting things down for at least a month as opposed to proceeding cautiously with restrictions in place as we have been as we realize "COVIDZero" is an impossibility. Rinse and repeat.

I know its not ideal, but the hope is a major lockdown would slow/decrease the spread enough so that by the time thr next wave would hit we wont need to shut down because the vaccines will be our next wave of defense.

There is a thousand financial questions that need to be addressed, but the current mandate isnt working well enough (primarily because not enough people want to follow it which I 100% understand as we are all tired of dealing with this pandemic) so they need to try something else.

 

[ULF_55]

Everytime I read an article like this, it seems like the virus is completely out of control and we're all screwed if we don't take every action possible to stop the virus from spreading, but then when you go to their own government website to see the actual facts all of a sudden you get a whole new perspective:

COVID-19 Alberta statistics

I mean should the people of Alberta be going insane over the virus when a grand total of 32 PEOPLE UNDER 60 and a total of 105 people under the age of 70 have died to the virus so far? 105 under the age of 70 have died out of a population of 4.4 million and I think its pretty easy to understand why many people aren't going insane over the virus nor should they.

Its the same here in Ontario where 1,237 people UNDER THE AGE OF 70 have died to date and 705 of those deaths are between 70-79. Should we really need to go nuts over a virus and take such drastic measures to stop it while wreaking people's lives when 70% of all covid deaths in Ontario are people 80+ in age? I mean 4,050 covid deaths to date in Ontario out of a population of 14.5 million and 70% of them are in the 80+ age group is what we should wreak our society over? Really??

You can check Ontario's covid stats daily from here and see for yourself:

COVID-19 case data: All Ontario

Can all the 'Covid is super serious and deadly' people understand why looking at those kinds of numbers get why many people aren't nearly as scared of the virus as you are? I think its possible to acknowledge that covid is a significant virus that needs to be dealt with without going insane and believing that dealing with the virus requires massively damaging our nation and millions of people's lives over it.

Yes, and the precautions that have been suggested have been easy to follow.

Worst part, probably the mental part, and we know not everyone is equally strong mentally.
Recently did some analysis and about 20% fewer patients seeking help for mental issues, and suicides are down.

Would have been so much easier if people just didn't spread the virus, but many have by choice.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

This is getting lost it seems, so I'll repeat it: "The point I'm making is that it isn't as rare as some people think."

If you live like that then you're better off than 90% of the North American population.

I'm talking about people who fit in the 37% of the population category (see link below). The other 63% have annual incomes of greater than $50k.

U.S. income distribution 2019 | Statista

 

[justashadowof]

This is getting lost it seems, so I'll repeat it: "The point I'm making is that it isn't as rare as some people think."



I'm talking about people who fit in the 37% of the population category. The other 63% have annual incomes of greater than $50k.

U.S. income distribution 2019 | Statista

You're right that it isn't rare but regardless it's an act of wealth to own additional properties (and, depending on where you live, own any property).

BTW, I said North America so U.S. income are only a part of the statistics. And $50K per year isn't a large income in 2020. But I'm late into this discussion...

 

[justashadowof]

I'll take vaccine, I'd rather make history than be history.

Those words are almost empty enough to market sneakers or a war.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

You're right that it isn't rare but regardless it's an act of wealth to own additional properties (and, depending on where you live, own any property).

BTW, I said North America so U.S. income are only a part of the statistics. And $50K per year isn't a large income in 2020. But I'm late into this discussion...

Some were using the "word" rich, whereas I was talking about people who are not rich (i.e., less than $50 k annual income which is 37% of the population) who were doing this. And, I was also pointing out is that its less rare than some think because that seemed like what some were suggesting. Words are important, hence I was just trying to be more specific rather than using a broad brush.

 

[Pink Mist]

Everytime I read an article like this, it seems like the virus is completely out of control and we're all screwed if we don't take every action possible to stop the virus from spreading, but then when you go to their own government website to see the actual facts all of a sudden you get a whole new perspective:

COVID-19 Alberta statistics

I mean should the people of Alberta be going insane over the virus when a grand total of 32 PEOPLE UNDER 60 and a total of 105 people under the age of 70 have died to the virus so far? 105 under the age of 70 have died out of a population of 4.4 million and I think its pretty easy to understand why many people aren't going insane over the virus nor should they.

Its the same here in Ontario where 1,237 people UNDER THE AGE OF 70 have died to date and 705 of those deaths are between 70-79. Should we really need to go nuts over a virus and take such drastic measures to stop it while wreaking people's lives when 70% of all covid deaths in Ontario are people 80+ in age? I mean 4,050 covid deaths to date in Ontario out of a population of 14.5 million and 70% of them are in the 80+ age group is what we should wreak our society over? Really??

You can check Ontario's covid stats daily from here and see for yourself:

COVID-19 case data: All Ontario

Can all the 'Covid is super serious and deadly' people understand why looking at those kinds of numbers get why many people aren't nearly as scared of the virus as you are? I think its possible to acknowledge that covid is a significant virus that needs to be dealt with without going insane and believing that dealing with the virus requires massively damaging our nation and millions of people's lives over it.

Wow damn, I didn't realize that people over the age of 65 were expendable now

 

[cbbb25]

Looks like southern Ontario wide lockdown is coming. April hybrid style

 

[GQS]

Yes, and the precautions that have been suggested have been easy to follow.

Worst part, probably the mental part, and we know not everyone is equally strong mentally.
Recently did some analysis and about 20% fewer patients seeking help for mental issues, and suicides are down.

Would have been so much easier if people just didn't spread the virus, but many have by choice.

Lets be real here. Wearing a mask isn't a big deal, but social distancing is near impossible in the vast majority of situations in public if you live in a city of hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. There's a reason why the Japanese are great at wearing masks in public, but they don't even bother with the social distancing alot of the time because they know its not possible or realistic to maintain.

I mean even in a moderately packed supermarket, trying to stay 6 feet apart from people is often not possible and its stupid to try and so its better to simply pass by that person quickly than constantly think about staying 6 feet away from them. And again I'll say that rather than shutting things down, simply limiting capacity in businesses would make so much more sense and be significantly less damaging to so many businesses.

So if we're going to take precautions, that would be the way to go without wreaking people's lives because 70% of all deaths in Ontario are among people 80 and over who probably don't go out much to begin with. I get we want to save all lives, but I bet you a million dollars that a couple of years from now when these same seniors go back to dying in the thousands from the flu, pneumonia, heart attacks and various other non-covid causes like they've always been, everyone is going to go back to not caring about them anymore the same as most of us never cared about them prior to this year.

These seniors are suddenly super important now because they're one of the central arguments as to why we need to take such extreme measures to try and control the virus, but once covid dies down and they're no longer useful pawns, most people will forget about them once again. That's the sad truth that no one wants to acknowledge.

 

[stealth1]

Lets be real here. Wearing a mask isn't a big deal, but social distancing is near impossible in the vast majority of situations in public if you live in a city of hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. There's a reason why the Japanese are great at wearing masks in public, but they don't even bother with the social distancing alot of the time because they know its not possible or realistic to maintain.

I mean even in a moderately packed supermarket, trying to stay 6 feet apart from people is often not possible and its stupid to try and so its better to simply pass by that person quickly than constantly think about staying 6 feet away from them. And again I'll say that rather than shutting things down, simply limiting capacity in businesses would make so much more sense and be significantly less damaging to so many businesses.

So if we're going to take precautions, that would be the way to go without wreaking people's lives because 70% of all deaths in Ontario are among people 80 and over who probably don't go out much to begin with. I get we want to save all lives, but I bet you a million dollars that a couple of years from now when these same seniors go back to dying in the thousands from the flu, pneumonia, heart attacks and various other non-covid causes like they've always been, everyone is going to go back to not caring about them anymore the same as most of us never cared about them prior to this year.

These seniors are suddenly super important now because they're one of the central arguments as to why we need to take such extreme measures to try and control the virus, but once covid dies down and they're no longer useful pawns, most people will forget about them once again. That's the sad truth that no one wants to acknowledge.

Yes social distancing is hard at supermarkets but the chance of you getting Covid is low as you don't have prolonged exposure with those people. They have put capacity limits on businesses and it hasn't worked.

People keep getting mad at the government for lockdowns and closing businesses when at some point all of us are somewhat to blame. Just cause they lifted some restrictions doesn't mean everything is back to normal. Supermarkets wouldn't be so busy every day if people kept shopping to once a week like we were at the beginning.

 

[justashadowof]

 

[Walshy7]

This happens to my wife when she gets needles. It sucks for her, luckily not every time but when it does it’s horrible