Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part IX- Now Featuring More Lockdowns

[ULF_55]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-coronavirus-covid-19-deena-hinshaw-1.5843814

COVID-19 has now killed more people in Alberta than influenza did over the last 10 years combined, the province's top public health doctor says.
Dr. Deena Hinshaw issued that stark reminder during her update on the pandemic, which has now killed 760 people since March. In the last 10 years, influenza has killed 659 Albertans, according to Alberta Health.
"It is a sobering statistic that in less than 10 months, more Albertans have now died from COVID-19 than have died from influenza in the last 10 years combined," Hinshaw, the province's chief medical officer of health, said Wednesday at a news conference.

"Today I want to remind anyone who is in the 20 to 40 age range that this virus also impacts you," she said.
"In Alberta to date, more than 32,000 people between the ages of 20 and 39 have contracted COVID-19. More than 380 of them have been hospitalized, and sadly, eight of these have died.
"To put this in perspective, if you gathered every Albertan between the ages of 20 and 39 who has been diagnosed with COVID-19, they would fill the Saddledome in Calgary, the Centrium in Red Deer and the Enmax Centre in Lethbridge."

 

[Jojalu]

They aren't even hiding that it isn't for the Covid outbreak anymore. It doesn't prevent infection, nor does it prevent transmission.

No thanks.

I am curious to what you believe the vaccine is for??

 

[ULF_55]

Yep, let's just keep vaccinating kids until then can no longer fight off the mildest of infections.

Stop the insanity. There are precious few that should be mandatory.

https://respectfulinsolence.com/2019/01/25/ipak-running-dubious-study/

So can we figure out what he’s doing here? What is this study that he’s asking for money to do? The fundraising appeal mentions “well-respected practice in the United States that has large numbers of children who are fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated, and unvaccinated.” So what does that mean? It reminds me of Mayer Eisenstein, an antivaccine “holistic” doctor in the Chicago area. He had a practice of 35,000 children and claimed that none of his unvaccinated children had autism. However, he died four years ago. So who’s left? Well, there’s also Anthony Mawson, whose “vaxxed versus unvaxxed” study was really just a survey with little in the way of controlling for potential confounders. It was retracted, but keeps rising from the dead over and over and over again. He’s not a physician; so it can’t be him.
It can only be one person, the rising star in the antivaccine movement, antivaccine pediatrician Dr. Paul Thomas. For example, check this out:
I could be wrong about this, but I suspect that I’m not. After all, it’s an antivaccine group in Washington, and that’s where Dr. Thomas’ practice is. Dr. Thomas has been promoting his “study” as the Framingham study of our area, a comparison that never fails to make me giggle derisively.
I also can’t help but note that right now there’s a major measles outbreak going on in Clark County, WA, just across the state line from Portland, where Dr. Thomas practices. He’s basically encouraging parents not to vaccinate while the measles rages just across the Columbia river. Now, it appears to me that he’ll be using those children to promote his antivaccine views, while Lyons-Weiler will use IPAK resources to help him massage the data to show what he wants it to show.

 

[kb]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-coronavirus-covid-19-deena-hinshaw-1.5843814

Sadly this is highly questionable again. First off, a positive PCR test is not a verified Covid infection no matter how many times the government/media says that it is.

And the whole dying with Covid vs dying from Covid can only be determined by an autopsy unless the person met all 3 of the following criteria prior to death:

a) patient has a positive test
b) patient presents with symptoms
c) differentially identified as being Covid, and not the flu, cold, or some other illness.

I would be very interested to see how those numbers stack up vs what the government controlled state broadcast channel is telling us.

I want to reiterate that all I want is the truth about all this. It absolutely exists, and it can kill or make people sick like many other illnesses, that is not (nor has ever been) in dispute.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Sadly this is highly questionable again. First off, a positive PCR test is not a verified Covid infection no matter how many times the government/media says that it is.

And the whole dying with Covid vs dying from Covid can only be determined by an autopsy unless the person met all 3 of the following criteria prior to death:

a) patient has a positive test
b) patient presents with symptoms
c) differentially identified as being Covid, and not the flu, cold, or some other illness.

I would be very interested to see how those numbers stack up vs what the government controlled state broadcast channel is telling us.

I want to reiterate that all I want is the truth about all this. It absolutely exists, and it can kill or make people sick like many other illnesses, that is not (nor has ever been) in dispute.

one death in Ottawa was changed from Covid death to something else yesterday.

 

[ULF_55]

one death in Ottawa was changed from Covid death to something else yesterday.

Yes, they do change when facts show death is otherwise.

We have reported changes for that reason, but now there are so many that a change here or there is immaterial.

 

[Kiwi]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-coronavirus-covid-19-deena-hinshaw-1.5843814

That's 760 people out of a population of about 4.5M, Alberta gets about 300 road fatalities a year for a little perspective

I notice when they do these things they always go for the most dramatic number, it's not a nothing number but when you start comparing it to something with a very low fatality rate like influenza it looks like the plague by comparison

Out of all the people aged 20 to 40 in a population of about 4.5M only 32,000 contracted COVID and 8 died?

Jesus, that's miniscule
I'd call it a rounding error but I don't even think it raises to that

 

[kb]

That's 760 people out of a population of about 4.5M, Alberta gets about 300 road fatalities a year for a little perspective

I notice when they do these things they always go for the most dramatic number, it's not a nothing number but when you start comparing it to something with a very low fatality rate like influenza it looks like the plague by comparison

Out of all the people aged 20 to 40 in a population of about 4.5M only 32,000 contracted COVID and 8 died?

Jesus, that's miniscule
I'd call it a rounding error but I don't even think it raises to that

And that's based on the incorrect and highly flawed assumption that every positive PCR test is a Covid infection, when they can't even say definitively that they have picked up fragments of SARS CoV-2, let alone intact whole viruses.

 

[kb]

I am curious to what you believe the vaccine is for??

I don't have the slightest clue, to be honest. I can only see what it is not for. And that alone requires pause.

 

[kb]

one death in Ottawa was changed from Covid death to something else yesterday.

That's interesting. I live in the area too.

 

[kb]

James Lyon-Weiler and IPAK are running a dubious "vaxxed versus unvaxxed" study - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE

So nothing substantial, but the usual name calling. What I love the most is that the assumption that it is negligent to not be vaccinated, and yes, there are a significant amount of unvaccinated people out there. This is one of the primary motivations for home schooling of children.

 

[ULF_55]

So nothing substantial, but the usual name calling. What I love the most is that the assumption that it is negligent to not be vaccinated, and yes, there are a significant amount of unvaccinated people out there. This is one of the primary motivations for home schooling of children.

Definitely, when you create a study to prove your preconceived ideas you can usually get there.

 

[kb]

Definitely, when you create a study to prove your preconceived ideas you can usually get there.

This is true. But one just needs to read or casually look at any of the vaccine trials, or any of the mask and social distancing evidence prior to March 2020 for all the necessary proof one needs, not this.

Doctors speak out on misinformation surrounding the coronavirus

 

[Sens]

Everything is on the table

 

[Mickey Marner]

They're putting everything on the table except for the cat.

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[Community]

I’m not saying vaccines are bad. I’ve taken many in my life without second thought. But this one by all accounts is unprecedented. I personally don’t feel comfortable taking something that’s been rushed. That fact isn’t even up for debate. If others feel the same way, that’s their right. I think in general, the only people that have to genuinely worry about this virus are the elderly, obese, and other people with underlying health issues. According to Moderna, their vaccine has a 95% efficacy rate, and 100% probability of preventing against severe symptoms. If that’s the case, people that are at-risk or afraid can choose to get vaccinated and have a peace of mind.

I don’t see this 65-80% for herd immunity people are talking about here. Young people are not getting hospitalized en masse. Even if there are future outbreaks, as long as those most at-risk have been vaccinated, it shouldn’t be a significant issue - assuming the data Pfizer and Moderna have released is true.

The issue with this is that we will have many more outbreaks if only the high risk people get the vaccine. The disease will likely never go away and we have many more people die (healthy people die too). For example, measles is still hanging around because of people not getting vaccinated.

Im a 27yo male, 150lbs, and no allergy or medical issues. Despite this, I realize that if I (and many other people in my demographic) dont get the vaccine that many more people will die.


It isnt just about an individuals health... this DOESNT work if we dont have the vast majority of the population take the vaccine. I hope you and others change your mind by the time it is available to the general public...

This thing could still be significant in 5 years if we only have 50% of the population vaccinated which would still likely cause a lot of deaths.


Can I ask why you are worried about vaccines and not about long term health effects from catching covid? We know less about long term health implications from catching it than we do about any potential issues from vaccines. Vaccine tech has been around for a long time and this vaccine is based on past vaccine production, it isnt like its a brand new vaccine that has no scientific basis before 2020.


Think of how crazy these numbers have been... if 50% get vaxxed and then we go back to our regular schedule, we will probably have just as many cases due to less social distancing.

 

[Community]

Yep, let's just keep vaccinating kids until then can no longer fight off the mildest of infections.

Stop the insanity. There are precious few that should be mandatory.

This is a ridiculously biased study. People that are unlikely to vaccinate their kids are more likely to not go to the hospital. These graphs have absolutely no relevant data because it is a terrible experimental design.

If you dig any further into IPAK you would find its a group of anti vaxxers trying to do "experiments" to make vaccines look bad. The head of IPAK (james weiler) is a heavy anti-vaxxer who is obviously biased in his "research". Hes gone to such extremes as suggesting covid-19 was created due to sars vaccine production which has absolutely no basis for being true.

 

[kb]

The issue with this is that we will have many more outbreaks if only the high risk people get the vaccine. The disease will likely never go away and we have many more people die (healthy people die too). For example, measles is still hanging around because of people not getting vaccinated.

Im a 27yo male, 150lbs, and no allergy or medical issues. Despite this, I realize that if I (and many other people in my demographic) dont get the vaccine that many more people will die.


It isnt just about an individuals health... this DOESNT work if we dont have the vast majority of the population take the vaccine. I hope you and others change your mind by the time it is available to the general public...

This thing could still be significant in 5 years if we only have 50% of the population vaccinated which would still likely cause a lot of deaths.


Can I ask why you are worried about vaccines and not about long term health effects from catching covid? We know less about long term health implications from catching it than we do about any potential issues from vaccines. Vaccine tech has been around for a long time and this vaccine is based on past vaccine production, it isnt like its a brand new vaccine that has no scientific basis before 2020.


Think of how crazy these numbers have been... if 50% get vaxxed and then we go back to our regular schedule, we will probably have just as many cases due to less social distancing.

Where is the safety data for this for the short and long term? Please remember that there is zero independent testing done. The test design, success criteria, and all data numbers is 100% completely under the control of the company doing the trials and is never, ever verified from an outside source.

So to recap, the vaccine itself, the design of the trials, the data, and the outcomes are 100% verified ONLY by the company that has a vested interest in the outcome/success of the vaccine trials, and have zero liability even if they kill 1,000,000,000 people.

Can someone explain to me exactly why people feel so safe with this?

 

[kb]

This is a ridiculously biased study. People that are unlikely to vaccinate their kids are more likely to not go to the hospital. These graphs have absolutely no relevant data because it is a terrible experimental design.

If you dig any further into IPAK you would find its a group of anti vaxxers trying to do "experiments" to make vaccines look bad. The head of IPAK (james weiler) is a heavy anti-vaxxer who is obviously biased in his "research". Hes gone to such extremes as suggesting covid-19 was created due to sars vaccine production which has absolutely no basis for being true.

Vaccine trials are 1000% more biased. They will only design a test that will make their vaccines look safe, and there is absolutely NO INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION OF THE TRIAL RESULTS OUTSIDE OF THE COMPANY THAT IS SELLING IT.

At least have a non-vested 3rd party interest perform the tests. But nope....it's always wink wink, nudge, nudge - here is your pile of cash..

Turn off CNN and CBC and think for yourself. At least the study on vaxx vs non vaxx are hard numbers based, not "trust us, why would we lie" based.

 

[Community]

Where is the safety data for this for the short and long term? Please remember that there is zero independent testing done. The test design, success criteria, and all data numbers is 100% completely under the control of the company doing the trials and is never, ever verified from an outside source.

So to recap, the vaccine itself, the design of the trials, the data, and the outcomes are 100% verified ONLY by the company that has a vested interest in the outcome/success of the vaccine trials, and have zero liability even if they kill 1,000,000,000 people.

Can someone explain to me exactly why people feel so safe with this?

Incorrect. Do you think Health Canada just saw the results and said "yep sounds good!"? They have a rigorous review system that takes place throughout the multi stages of clinical trials. Its ridiculous to assert that therr has been no outside analysis.

Vaccine trials are set up with standard methods so you are also wrong to say that pfizer/moderna 100% created their trial designs.

 

[Community]

Vaccine trials are 1000% more biased. They will only design a test that will make their vaccines look safe, and there is absolutely NO INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION OF THE TRIAL RESULTS OUTSIDE OF THE COMPANY THAT IS SELLING IT.

At least have a non-vested 3rd party interest perform the tests. But nope....it's always wink wink, nudge, nudge - here is your pile of cash..

Turn off CNN and CBC and think for yourself. At least the study on vaxx vs non vaxx are hard numbers based, not "trust us, why would we lie" based.

Complete bullshit. Im not basing any information on CNN or CBC as practically all news stations are biased. I am an aquatic biologist that knows how the scientific method works and how to properly design an experimental trial.

 

[Starry Knight]

Vaccine trials are 1000% more biased. They will only design a test that will make their vaccines look safe, and there is absolutely NO INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION OF THE TRIAL RESULTS OUTSIDE OF THE COMPANY THAT IS SELLING IT.

At least have a non-vested 3rd party interest perform the tests. But nope....it's always wink wink, nudge, nudge.

Turn off CNN and CBC and think for yourself. At least the study on vaxx vs non vaxx are hard numbers based, not "trust us" based.

There is absolutely verification of the data. Both medical journals and public health bodies verify the data and it is mandatory to have double-blinding of the results until after the trial in clinical trials. The company does not have input on it.

Please stop spreading falsehoods about topics you are not remotely qualified to speak on. Your ability to google questionable sources about topics that you have no understanding of does not discredit the work of scientists trying to save lives.

 

[Community]

Vaccine trials are 1000% more biased. They will only design a test that will make their vaccines look safe, and there is absolutely NO INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION OF THE TRIAL RESULTS OUTSIDE OF THE COMPANY THAT IS SELLING IT.

At least have a non-vested 3rd party interest perform the tests. But nope....it's always wink wink, nudge, nudge - here is your pile of cash..

Turn off CNN and CBC and think for yourself. At least the study on vaxx vs non vaxx are hard numbers based, not "trust us, why would we lie" based.

Its the same as saying that vaccines cause car crashes and then backing it up with "hard" statistics that show youre more likely to die in a car crash from driving to get the vaccine than you would from staying home.

While technically true, thats correlation, not causation.

 

[Treb]

Hi guys,

A trick to get a mod to act is to actually report the post so mods get a report instead of quoting it and asking why the mod don't do shit about it.

Thanks,
Treb