Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part IX- Now Featuring More Lockdowns

[The Hanging Jowl]

No I wasn't sticking to the rules and it had nothing to do with you calling me out.

As far the second wave and gatherings go. I haven't had anyone over but my mom this whole time. Where others are having friends and family over all the time. There is a difference in having a few family members over for Christmas and having family members over all the time.

Thanks but you're admitting one way or another you fully planned on breaking the rules on social gathering inside your home at the same time as being easily the most vocal preacher on here about following social gathering rules.

Maybe some introspection?

 

[stealth1]

I wonder how long after the majority of Canadians will vaccinated the mask mandate will be lifted. 1 month, 6 months, 1 year? Im hoping right away, but I wouldnt be surprised if it's longer if it takes a while for herd immunity, especially if there is a significant amount of the population that doesn't take the vaccine.

Masks are the least of my concerns right now though. I just want to get back to society running normally, not only for peoples health, but also for their financial well being. It just keeps getting worse and worse for small business right now.

I think by spring all businesses will be back to open but with limited capacity. As more people get the vaccine masks and social distancing will slowly be lessened. I think by next Christmas things will be back to being more normal.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Wasn't there a mandatory quarantine for those that were allowed (essential travelers) to enter Canada?

Some people here probably even went through that quarantine process you'd think (& probably have spoke about it as well)?

Curious how likely your think it is people followed that. I'm guessing an adherence rate of about 0.001%.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Elliott again confirms and doubles down on this:

"Elliott said the government knows that residents will need the confirmation for various reasons, including for work and travel."

“People will receive a receipt when they receive their first dose and then upon the second dose once it has been completed they will receive something more substantive because many people will need it for lots of reasons,” Elliott said.

That's infuriating.

 

[stealth1]

Thanks but you're admitting one way or another you fully planned on breaking the rules on social gathering inside your home at the same time as being easily the most vocal preacher on here about following social gathering rules.

Maybe some introspection?

I'm sorry it came off that way. Like I said HUGE difference in having a few people over for one dinner and having people visit your home all the time. It doesn't matter now as we cancelled dinner as cases here a rising.

I don't have any one visit outside of my mom as she lives alone.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Curious how likely your think it is people followed that. I'm guessing an adherence rate of about 0.001%.

I did. I know several others who did. No one has precise numbers, but I doubt if its as low as you are saying i.e., some people act responsibly.

 

[stealth1]

Elliott again confirms and doubles down on this:

"Elliott said the government knows that residents will need the confirmation for various reasons, including for work and travel."

“People will receive a receipt when they receive their first dose and then upon the second dose once it has been completed they will receive something more substantive because many people will need it for lots of reasons,” Elliott said.

That's infuriating.

I don't see it as infuriating. Kids already need their vaccines up to date to attend school. Some businesses will for sure require it. As far as travel goes, it will most likely be for traveling outside of the country.

 

[Community]

I wonder how long after the majority of Canadians will vaccinated the mask mandate will be lifted. 1 month, 6 months, 1 year? Im hoping right away, but I wouldnt be surprised if it's longer if it takes a while for herd immunity, especially if there is a significant amount of the population that doesn't take the vaccine.

Masks are the least of my concerns right now though. I just want to get back to society running normally, not only for peoples health, but also for their financial well being. It just keeps getting worse and worse for small business right now.

A. I believe both vaccines take ~1 month after the initial shot (and the booster shot) for the 95% immunity so you need to take that into consideration.

B. Herd immunity isn't a thing where we will be golden once we reach it (which I believe for covid is ~65% immunity which will require ~70% of the population fully vaccinated plus the 1-2 weeks). It is more like the tipping point where it would naturally start to decrease spread. However, just because we are in "herd immunity" stages doesnt mean we cant have thousands more still die, especially if cases dont significantly decrease.

Herd immunity is usually based on the vaccinated/immune numbers being high enough that it can't spread/outbreaks are contained (i.e. smallpox) which keeps unvaxed people mostly safe. It's not an easy solution when there are already so many outbreaks.

TLDR; when we reach herd immunity levels (likely in the summer), it won't just be everything is back to normal.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

I don't see it as infuriating. Kids already need their vaccines up to date to attend school. Some businesses will for sure require it. As far as travel goes, it will most likely be for traveling outside of the country.

I still think it is ridiculous in this case.

 

[Community]

I think by spring all businesses will be back to open but with limited capacity. As more people get the vaccine masks and social distancing will slowly be lessened. I think by next Christmas things will be back to being more normal.

Public health believes all of Canada could be vaccinnated by the end of September which would easily have things back to normal before Christmas.... Unfortunately, anti-vaxxers and those that choose not to get the vaccine for whatever reason will likely cause things to stay as is for longer than neccessary... I have a feeling that by the time vaccines are available for the general public, we will have significant decreases in cases (and obviously deaths) which will prompt those that were undecided to decide to not get the vaccine... which will lead to extended lockdowns and more breakouts.

Unfortunately some people (especially those that didnt grow up with social media) believe whatever misinformation their friends/family say or spread on facebook...

 

[Community]

Curious how likely your think it is people followed that. I'm guessing an adherence rate of about 0.001%.

Definitely significantly more than .001%, but the process is a joke... People can do whatever they want and there is no way to ensure they stay at home and/or follow ALL rules.

My guess is 15% follow all the rules, 30% follow most of the rules and quarantine for the full time, 30% follow some of the rules and quarantine for less than 14 days since they feel fine, and 25% dont do anything.

Im sure the %'s drastically differ from community to community though.

 

[Sens]

Ontario is f***ed

If this happens... I have no idea how people can afford stuff


evictions are already happening en mass
Ontario Is Mass Evicting Tenants, In As Little As 60 Seconds

 

[Confucius]

I think by spring all businesses will be back to open but with limited capacity. As more people get the vaccine masks and social distancing will slowly be lessened. I think by next Christmas things will be back to being more normal.

Oh by spring things will start to improve and watch the decision makers pat themselves on the back for it. It will have nothing to do with the vaccine, It all has to do with the warmer weather. Just like last summer.

 

[stealth1]

Oh by spring things will start to improve and watch the decision makers pat themselves on the back for it. It will have nothing to do with the vaccine, It all has to do with the warmer weather. Just like last summer.

I could care less if they do that. By fall the majority will have the vaccine and this should be in the past.

 

[Sens]

Elliott again confirms and doubles down on this:

"Elliott said the government knows that residents will need the confirmation for various reasons, including for work and travel."

“People will receive a receipt when they receive their first dose and then upon the second dose once it has been completed they will receive something more substantive because many people will need it for lots of reasons,” Elliott said.

That's infuriating.

They will be challenged in court and lose
Can employers require employees to take a COVID vaccine?


An employee may object to taking the vaccine on religious grounds, or because they have an allergy or other medical condition. While the employer has the right to ask questions and verify the claim, a bona fide human-rights issue will trump the employer’s interest in protecting the health and safety of the workplace through mandatory vaccination, says Watkins.

 

[stealth1]

They will be challenged in court and lose
Can employers require employees to take a COVID vaccine?


An employee may object to taking the vaccine on religious grounds, or because they have an allergy or other medical condition. While the employer has the right to ask questions and verify the claim, a bona fide human-rights issue will trump the employer’s interest in protecting the health and safety of the workplace through mandatory vaccination, says Watkins.

Sounds good in theory but I wouldn't be surprised if employers require proof of those things. Otherwise I can see many people abuse this. Look no further then the mask mandates and how people use the medical excemption to get out of wearing them.

 

[Confucius]

I could care less if they do that. By fall the majority will have the vaccine and this should be in the past.

I'd be shocked if this wasn't similar to a cold. Obviously more deadly and virulent. It will come around every winter and you may need a vaccine every winter. I read articles that state even if you get vaccinated you could still contract covid but it may not be as deadly. Will you be wearing a mask next winter as well if that was the case and every winter herein after?

 

[stealth1]

I'd be shocked if this wasn't similar to a cold. Obviously more deadly and virulent. It will come around every winter and you may need a vaccine every winter. I read articles that state even if you get vaccinated you could still contract covid but it may not be as deadly. Will you be wearing a mask next winter as well if that was the case and every winter herein after?

I don't think so. I think masks wearing will go away by then. If Covid becomes less deadly due to the vaccine then social distancing and mask wearing will eventually be gone. My hopes through all of this is that more people start staying home when sick.

Personally I don't find wearing masks a big deal. I've worn them since this started and find its second nature now.

 

[shortfuze]

Where do you keep getting the number 3 from? Why are you still going on about this? There is no limit to how many are in you household.

it sounds like someone is trying way to hard to find mistakes in what youre saying

 

[Nineteen67]

I wonder how long after the majority of Canadians will vaccinated the mask mandate will be lifted. 1 month, 6 months, 1 year? Im hoping right away, but I wouldnt be surprised if it's longer if it takes a while for herd immunity, especially if there is a significant amount of the population that doesn't take the vaccine.

Masks are the least of my concerns right now though. I just want to get back to society running normally, not only for peoples health, but also for their financial well being. It just keeps getting worse and worse for small business right now.

Masks and more time off for union workers (teachers) are here to stay.

 

[Nineteen67]

I could care less if they do that. By fall the majority will have the vaccine and this should be in the past.

The majority of people that need it, but not majority of the people. The vaccines are only for adults.

 

[4thline]

They will be challenged in court and lose
Can employers require employees to take a COVID vaccine?


An employee may object to taking the vaccine on religious grounds, or because they have an allergy or other medical condition. While the employer has the right to ask questions and verify the claim, a bona fide human-rights issue will trump the employer’s interest in protecting the health and safety of the workplace through mandatory vaccination, says Watkins.

Only if they are a member of a religion that prohibits such- and there are no major doctrines that do so. Facebook influence isn't a religion.

And if it's a provincial mandate rather than a employer election it would be law to do so. And if someone were to take the province to court I have a hard time seeing it failing the Oakes test.

 

[Pink Mist]

They will be challenged in court and lose
Can employers require employees to take a COVID vaccine?


An employee may object to taking the vaccine on religious grounds, or because they have an allergy or other medical condition. While the employer has the right to ask questions and verify the claim, a bona fide human-rights issue will trump the employer’s interest in protecting the health and safety of the workplace through mandatory vaccination, says Watkins.

Majority of people don't have religious reasons to not take the vaccine or allergies/medical conditions which would prevent them from taking the vaccine.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Masks and more time off for union workers (teachers) are here to stay.

I don’t think so. Just for the next year or so.

 

[Future]

Public health believes all of Canada could be vaccinnated by the end of September which would easily have things back to normal before Christmas.... Unfortunately, anti-vaxxers and those that choose not to get the vaccine for whatever reason will likely cause things to stay as is for longer than neccessary... I have a feeling that by the time vaccines are available for the general public, we will have significant decreases in cases (and obviously deaths) which will prompt those that were undecided to decide to not get the vaccine... which will lead to extended lockdowns and more breakouts.

Unfortunately some people (especially those that didnt grow up with social media) believe whatever misinformation their friends/family say or spread on facebook...

If I’m interpreting your comment correctly, you’re saying that because someone doesn’t want to take a vaccine (the most rushed vaccine in history) for a virus with a 99% survival rate, they likely must be victim of some Facebook disinformation campaign? Sad and sloppy take.