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but you JUST said 7 posts above that it would be ok for 3 people to come to my place!!

make up your mind stealthy!!
 
hfman said:
but you JUST said 7 posts above that it would be ok for 3 people to come to my place!!

make up your mind stealthy!!
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Only cause of the way you explained it. I don't see a difference in if you go to your neighbors home or they come to yours. Its still a person who is alone joining another household. It has nothing to do with numbers at all.

The guideline is that a person who lives alone can join another household for dinner. Why does it matter whose house they are in?
 
look.

i need all 3 of them to come to MY place as I have a model airplane that I built and I would love to show them. It's in my glass showcase downstairs.

What if I go out to the sidewalk, and then tell all 3 of them to go into my house.

THEN, I will join them inside my house a few minutes later.

This way, it's only 1 extra person entering my home (me).

That way, we stay within the "1 extra person allowed" rule.

Before you call it a night, do you think that would work as well?
 
stealth1 said:
Only cause of the way you explained it. I don't see a difference in if you go to your neighbors home or they come to yours. Its still a person who is alone joining another household. It has nothing to do with numbers at all.

The guideline is that a person who lives alone can join another household for dinner. Why does it matter whose house they are in?
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no, you're wrong.

one scenario is a single person visiting another household, but the other scenario is 3 people visiting another household. Clearly, two different scenarios. Why do you say they are the same thing?

You're confusing me man. You're going to make me break the rules if I go ahead with my 3 neighbours (all from the same household) coming over to visit me..
 
hfman said:
look.

i need all 3 of them to come to MY place as I have a model airplane that I built and I would love to show them. It's in my glass showcase downstairs.

What if I go out to the sidewalk, and then tell all 3 of them to go into my house.

THEN, I will join them inside my house a few minutes later.

This way, it's only 1 extra person entering my home (me).

That way, we stay within the "1 extra person allowed" rule.

Before you call it a night, do you think that would work as well?
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No that wouldn't work cause that's not how the rule was set.

I'm starting to understand your point that the way the rule is set makes no sense. Its why so many aren't following most guidelines.

Originally it will as supposed to be nobody can join your household for any gatherings. The only reason they added the single person living alone part is so they aren't left out. Its really not hard to understand.

For example for my family is inviting my mom over as she lives alone. That's how the guideline is put out. I don't understand what's so complicated about understanding that.
 
hfman said:
no, you're wrong.

one scenario is a single person visiting another household, but the other scenario is 3 people visiting another household. Clearly, two different scenarios. Why do you say they are the same thing?

You're confusing me man. You're going to make me break the rules if I go ahead with my 3 neighbours (all from the same household) coming over to visit me..
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I do get what you're saying in that its confusing to many on how its layed out. I will say normally the person who is alone rarely is going to make dinner for a bunch of people.
 
but what happens when I have 3 people in my household and we have one neighbour come over. That neighbour lives by themself.

THEN, we have another neighbour over, who also lives by himself.

That's 2 additional people over, but both live by themselves.

That's okay too, right?
 
stealth1 said:
No that wouldn't work cause that's not how the rule was set.

I'm starting to understand your point that the way the rule is set makes no sense. Its why so many aren't following most guidelines.

Originally it will as supposed to be nobody can join your household for any gatherings. The only reason they added the single person living alone part is so they aren't left out. Its really not hard to understand.

For example for my family is inviting my mom over as she lives alone. That's how the guideline is put out. I don't understand what's so complicated about understanding that.
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your family is having your mom over?

Why didn't you mention that before?

But i think it's breaking the rules. I don't think you can do that to be honest. I would call the city and double-check with them first
 
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Throw More Waffles said:
That’s what Wuhan did. That’s what worked.

Wuhan (and all of China) already had a pro-mask culture, which massively escalated with sars 20 years ago. So even back in December everyone in Wuhan was wearing masks. The masks help a bit, but as Wuhan showed (when they were forced to crash build new hospitals in February ), masks and socials distancing aren’t enough.
What worked in Wuhan was putting pretty much everybody under house arrest.

so yeah, I agree. TRUE lockdowns is what worked. We should have done that for like a month way back in March.
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Hard to say to what extent the lockdowns worked in China with all the censorship. Their government has gone to great lengths to silence dissenting opinions.

Censored Contagion II: A Timeline of Information Control on Chinese Social Media During COVID-19 - The Citizen Lab
 
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The Hanging Jowl said:
"More than 7 million travellers have entered Canada during the pandemic."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-u-s-border-travel-covid-19-1.5843872


No lockdown, no matter how rigid, would have worked with this going on (unless you wanted Wuhan-style lockdowns for 18 months until everyone gets vaccinated). That would have been bliss.
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Did you read the article? It's primarily truck drivers, and 7 million border crossings is normally what Canada gets in an average month outside of a pandemic, so this is a massive decrease in border crossings
 
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hfman said:
your family is having your mom over?

Why didn't you mention that before?

But i think it's breaking the rules. I don't think you can do that to be honest. I would call the city and double-check with them first
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First I can do that as you are allowed a person to join your household if they are alone which she is. Two why would I call the city to double check?
 
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stealth1 said:
No I have said before we have all decided not to get together. Mainly due to cases rising here. So we decided to stick to the rules.
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But you weren't going to stick by the rules even though you were talking down to everyone else about following the rules. You're on the record saying you fully intended to have your sister and her kids over until I called you on it and the entire time you were calling out others for causing the second wave because they wouldn't stop socially gathering in their houses.
 
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stealth1 said:
Makes sense. Til the majority of Canadians have taken the Vaccine wearing a mask and social distancing will still be in place.
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I wonder how long after the majority of Canadians will vaccinated the mask mandate will be lifted. 1 month, 6 months, 1 year? Im hoping right away, but I wouldnt be surprised if it's longer if it takes a while for herd immunity, especially if there is a significant amount of the population that doesn't take the vaccine.

Masks are the least of my concerns right now though. I just want to get back to society running normally, not only for peoples health, but also for their financial well being. It just keeps getting worse and worse for small business right now.
 
The Hanging Jowl said:
But you weren't going to stick by the rules even though you were talking down to everyone else about following the rules. You're on the record saying you fully intended to have your sister and her kids over until I called you on it and the entire time you were calling out others for causing the second wave because they wouldn't stop socially gathering in their houses.
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No I wasn't sticking to the rules and it had nothing to do with you calling me out.

As far the second wave and gatherings go. I haven't had anyone over but my mom this whole time. Where others are having friends and family over all the time. There is a difference in having a few family members over for Christmas and having family members over all the time.
 
The Hanging Jowl said:
"More than 7 million travellers have entered Canada during the pandemic."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-u-s-border-travel-covid-19-1.5843872


No lockdown, no matter how rigid, would have worked with this going on (unless you wanted Wuhan-style lockdowns for 18 months until everyone gets vaccinated). That would have been bliss.
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Wasn't there a mandatory quarantine for those that were allowed (essential travelers) to enter Canada?

Some people here probably even went through that quarantine process you'd think (& probably have spoke about it as well)?
 
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