Rumor: Corey Hirsch -" I'm 100% sure Nashville wants to move Subban this summer"

[bernmeister]

...Who would be interested in Subbans 10mil/ yr salary? Big personality but still a top pairing Dman.
Offers on Subban?...

according to capfriendly, I saw him at 9m, not 10, but 3 full seasons more after this one.

I'm not sure I buy the "Subban will age well" part, especially considering he uses Karlsson to further his argument.

Subban relies on skills just as much as Karlsson. He used to be a very mobile dman, but his skating has gradually been getting worse over the last 5 years or so to an extent where he can't really do some of the things he used to do. Subban has shown in the past that he can play a fairly laid back game and be effective at it, but everyone knows he has a tendency to put himself in tough situations by being too aggressive and without the foot speed to recover, it could turn very badly for him as he ages. I've seen him get caught flat footed since his last season as a Habs a disproportionate amount of times compared to his younger days.

Thing is, a guy like Karlsson, whether he takes training seriously or not, is a naturally very fluid skater and he can recover more easily. He's also a lot lighter than Subban, and it shows. Another guy that has the speed to recover from his mistakes more often than not is Letang. Subban is at a point in his career where he can't really afford to get caught because there's no way he'll be back in time to break up plays on the other side of the ice.

I've been saying for years PK should go back to around 195-200 pounds, which was his weight when he first came into the league. He was plenty strong enough to handle guys like Ovechkin and Crosby in the corners, again, as a rookie, at that weight. And then he bulked up to around 220 and his skating was never quite the same. Maybe he's even stronger in the corners now, but it came at too big of a cost in my opinion.

In any case, I don't really know where to pin Subban's value these days. If there's a team that can afford to trade a guy like that without getting a similar RD in return, it sure is Nashville. In the grand scheme of things, it could be the smart move for them.

great post.

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The question is, do we have a clear, accurate indication what Preds want --- max production value, or
--- cap relief, flexibility
???????????????????????????

NYR should not gamble assets other than $ on this guy, even tho there is a best case scenario where with Kravtsov, Kakko in the picture, remove excess vets, one or two other of the correct deals, and yeah, then we are just 1 or more RD away from contending.

NY would not compete with some of the other offers made here if they are for real.

If the idea is to recover cap for max roster flexibility, then, I offer Brendan Smith, 2 seasons after this, 4.35 per.
Maybe also a smaller add.

Instant 4.65 relief for 2 yrs assuming Smith not peddled.
one additional season, full 9m relief

 

[David25]

hi yes 1 Subban please

Not with babcock there

 

[LV Knight Life]

Agree with a few others in here that New Jersey would be an interesting destination if the Predators wanted to trade him outside the conference. Devils wouldn't have to send much, if any, salary back depending on what Nashville is looking for.

 

[junyab]

https://www.tsn.ca/player-poll-subban-laine-most-overrated-1.1265431

The overrated part, some players really really hate subban and think he does too much.

Didn't you say "most hated players" though? Outside of rhyming, "overrated" and "hated" aren't that similar.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

I think 23 year old Nylander for 30 year old Subban would hurt the Leafs' long-term cup chances.

? u ARENT vehemently defending subban and saying hes the 2nd best dman in the league???

 

[member 290103]

Lame Duck GM Jim Benning will basically give Nashville anything outside of Horvat, EP40 and Boeser for Subban. I would think that includes his next 1st round pick in 2020 (and I bet he would not even lottery protect it).

 

[member 290103]

My concerns about Subban why MTL and Nashville would be in such a hurry to move the guy. I mean, Norris Trophy winning d-men don't grow on trees. MTL moved him while he was right in his prime.

I think it's clear he impacts team chemistry in a bad way.

 

[Qwijibo]

Not opposed to it as long as its not Benning in charge. Three more years at $9mil is big but if we could somehow ditch Loui frickin Eriksson and Spooner problem solved.

How desperate is Nashville? Maybe Jake and a second if they really want to get rid of him

Can pretty much guarantee they aren’t that desperate

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Didn't you say "most hated players" though? Outside of rhyming, "overrated" and "hated" aren't that similar.

in theory its not, but if you think a little but further it is.players vote on over-rated players, which is player they mostly don't really like.

it's not always black and white, but it's easy to read between the line for that instance

 

[StuckOutHere]

The over-used joke store just called. They want their material back.

But don't you get it? It's a very serious offer!

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Hope it happens - would be interesting to see where he goes.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

You'd think this is the kind of move Edmonton would be into, even if Subban didn't have his best season and will be on the wrong side of 30 next year.

Something around the Sekera (to somewhat balance salary) +the 8th+ any prospect not named Bouchard. (So Pulju, Yamamoto, Benson, Jones would be the main names for that last spot)

Nurse-Subban
Klefbom-Larsson
Russell-______

That actually looks respectable for the first time since Visnovsky was an Oiler.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I only caught a few shifts of his yesterday but is it just me or has his skating taken a step back? I recall hearing that he had injuries, were any of them LBI's? Subban in theory would be a great get for the Oilers IF we could open up enough cap and his mobility is still very good. Not so much if he's slowing down a bit.

 

[TorontoTrades]

Maybe Jersey makes a move for him?

Something like Zacha Vatanen?

Not sure how they feel about Subban with the kids but with Greene and Hall they have some veterans.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I only caught a few shifts of his yesterday but is it just me or has his skating taken a step back? I recall hearing that he had injuries, were any of them LBI's? Subban in theory would be a great get for the Oilers IF we could open up enough cap and his mobility is still very good. Not so much if he's slowing down a bit.

I don't think he was ever "fast", even in his best years, but he was smarter than he was given credit for and always hustled so he didn't look too slow. This year he has looked slow. We just don't know about the injury. He missed a lot of games and there has been speculation that he hasn't been 100% but we've never had any real explanation and I suppose we won't until the off-season. I think he has looked a little more like his old self the last couple weeks, though. Not quite there yet. But moving in the right direction.

 

[Flair Hay]

Interesting...

 

[Killer Orcas]

Can pretty much guarantee they aren’t that desperate

Ya I agree besides someone would offer more anyway. Virtanen and a 2nd is nothing for Subban.

 

[junyab]

in theory its not, but if you think a little but further it is.players vote on over-rated players, which is player they mostly don't really like.

it's not always black and white, but it's easy to read between the line for that instance

Overrated means players that aren't as good as what they're perceived to be, not that other players don't like them. You can't just assume you know what NHL players are thinking or just redefine a word.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Overrated means players that aren't as good as what they're perceived to be, not that other players don't like them. You can't just assume you know what NHL players are thinking or just redefine a word.

must be fun to live in your black and white world where everything is straightforward and everybody tells the truth.


give me your glasses please

 

[RyderRocks73]

must be fun to live in your black and white world where everything is straightforward and everybody tells the truth.


give me your glasses please

You can't just demand people's things, even with a please.

 

[JustaFinnishGuy]

must be fun to live in your black and white world where everything is straightforward and everybody tells the truth.


give me your glasses please

I think it's way better to live in a world where you assume that something is true and are so adamantly for it that you ridicule people who might think otherwise. Subban isn't widely hated by the players, there is nothing proving that.

 

[Rangers ftw]

according to capfriendly, I saw him at 9m, not 10, but 3 full seasons more after this one.



great post.

------------
The question is, do we have a clear, accurate indication what Preds want --- max production value, or
--- cap relief, flexibility
???????????????????????????

NYR should not gamble assets other than $ on this guy, even tho there is a best case scenario where with Kravtsov, Kakko in the picture, remove excess vets, one or two other of the correct deals, and yeah, then we are just 1 or more RD away from contending.

NY would not compete with some of the other offers made here if they are for real.

If the idea is to recover cap for max roster flexibility, then, I offer Brendan Smith, 2 seasons after this, 4.35 per.
Maybe also a smaller add.

Instant 4.65 relief for 2 yrs assuming Smith not peddled.
one additional season, full 9m relief

Hehe, that is a very generous offer

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

according to capfriendly, I saw him at 9m, not 10, but 3 full seasons more after this one.



great post.

------------
The question is, do we have a clear, accurate indication what Preds want --- max production value, or
--- cap relief, flexibility
???????????????????????????

NYR should not gamble assets other than $ on this guy, even tho there is a best case scenario where with Kravtsov, Kakko in the picture, remove excess vets, one or two other of the correct deals, and yeah, then we are just 1 or more RD away from contending.

NY would not compete with some of the other offers made here if they are for real.

If the idea is to recover cap for max roster flexibility, then, I offer Brendan Smith, 2 seasons after this, 4.35 per.
Maybe also a smaller add.

Instant 4.65 relief for 2 yrs assuming Smith not peddled.
one additional season, full 9m relief

So PK Subban for...Brendan Smith?

Ok then, I think this thread has run its course.

 

[bernmeister]

Hehe, that is a very generous offer

So PK Subban for...Brendan Smith?
Ok then, I think this thread has run its course.

It is not generous by any means.
And whether or not it is fair depends on:
current and projected condition of PKS as a premium asset over balance of his deal;
other offers for him;
whether or not primary motivation of Nash, regardless of PK's talent is too move him, whether due to cap or otherwise.

There is only narrow basis by which I said Smith would be an effective trade route.

If you get no takers for production who can fit the high salary into cap, would you rather entertain something like Lucic from Oilers?

 

[justafan22]

Vancouver.

We know Benning likes him.