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Consequences if Carlo is Traded

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RetiredWBC8 said:
It will be funny to look back if Carlo is traded and seeing all this praise when the same people will be calling him soft and one dimensional on the way out.

I do love those old Seguin threads.
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But at the same time, has Seguin become less soft and upped his defensive play? Has Dougie thrived and proved his criticism wrong?

At least we all know by now that Phil doesn't need the weight room. The fatter he gets and the more he looks like he doesn't care, the better he is.




Put me down for do not trade Carlo, especially for a forward. We have the defensive depth of a sidewalk rain puddle right now with Carlo being our only "proven" defensive prospect that can stand up to the top minutes. Every year with Chara playing decent right now is a gift. Two years from now, we need a top shutdown dman and so far the only player that looks to fit that bill is Carlo. Unless anyone has any trade ideas to convince a team to give us one of theirs, I don't see it happening. Not without giving up players we don't want to trade (because then our scoring depth will get exposed).
 
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Not sure what the fascination with Landeskog is when it comes to thinking he will fix the offensive woes of the Bs. He has 8 goals and 7 assists this year through 32 games. I know, I know, he's having a down year and needs a change of scenery, better linemates, plays for a bad team, etc. Thing is, this will be the 4th year in a row his numbers will decrease. I like his game and think he's a very good player, but why on earth would the Bs give up a top-four defenseman (an area of need) who is around 20 yrs old and has very little cap hit in return for a downward-trending player with a soon-to-be $6 mil cap hit, and a modified NTC that will kick in soon and run through 20-21? No doubt Carlo is not a guaranteed great player but he sure has shown me enough playing tough minutes at his age to make me think he is going to be a heck of a defenseman once he fills out and gets more experience. Making this trade will not do much of anything to help the Bs get into the playoffs, especially considering the hole on defense that will be created. And even if it were guaranteed it would get the Bs into the playoffs I would still not do it since it's not like they will do anything once in anyway. Carlo is the perfect kind of young player you should hang onto, for multiple reasons. The last thing the Bs need is to make a trade such as this.
 
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Zboril + 17 1st for Landeskog - maybe add C Miller (even if I think he will be a player.) and get a 3rd back... Then waive Hayes and flip Krech for a 1st and an A prospect and you have balanced core again. Probably miss the playoffs but you can build around Bergeron/Backes/Spooner in the middle for the next 2-3 years with very good depth on wing (Pasta / March / Lander / Vatrano + yutes)

Look at where Landeskog scores from... Net front presence all day long. If he can get into a groove skating wise again (no reason why not..) he could be a legit 30-30 player in a top line role on the B's. Cost controlled and a guy that has maturity, skill, gumption, to play a 200 ft game.

Really need to look into that type of deal if it's on the table...
 
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bb74 said:
Zboril + 17 1st for Landeskog - maybe add C Miller (even if I think he will be a player.) and get a 3rd back... Then waive Hayes and flip Krech for a 1st and an A prospect and you have balanced core again. Probably miss the playoffs but you can build around Bergeron/Backes/Spooner in the middle for the next 2-3 years with very good depth on wing (Pasta / March / Lander / Vatrano + yutes)

Look at where Landeskog scores from... Net front presence all day long. If he can get into a groove skating wise again (no reason why not..) he could be a legit 30-30 player in a top line role on the B's. Cost controlled and a guy that has maturity, skill, gumption, to play a 200 ft game.

Really need to look into that type of deal if it's on the table...
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You say.If Big gamble at 6 million per on an if.I was Bruins I be looking for a top 4 d man.This deal with put them back in cap problems with a bigger void on back end.
 
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22Brad Park said:
You say.If Big gamble at 6 million per on an if.I was Bruins I be looking for a top 4 d man.This deal with put them back in cap problems with a bigger void on back end.
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Only works as a "package deal" thing trading futures. (see my post) ;-)

In - 5.5M
Out - 8.5M (Krech + Hayes Buyout) + possibly 1.2M more with C Miller then in offseason expose Mcquaid, Belesky, K Miller, etc and you have some space again for Pasta re-up and D.

They can only pull a trade like this if they have others lined up otherwise I agree 100% they will be hammered cap wise.
 
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Only works as a "package deal" thing trading futures. (see my post) ;-)

In - 5.5M
Out - 8.5M (Krech + Hayes Buyout) + possibly 1.2M more with C Miller then in offseason expose Mcquaid, Belesky, K Miller, etc and you have some space again for Pasta re-up and D.

can only pull a trade like this if they have others lined up otherwise I agree 100% they will be hammered cap wise.
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Everything I read is pointing at Bruins exposing Colin Miller cause of Chara NMC.That would be a painful loss so perhaps packaging him early would be a good move.Sad though .He is really coming along nice and has a big shot..Then to lose Carlo would really expose Bruins in my mind.As for buyout on Hayes.Hate to waste a buyout on a petty deal like his.They only have one left. I do not know the answers nor know who is right or wrong here.One thing though for sure is Bruins have some serious issues.They need to pick a direction and stick to it
 
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I think it would be weird that trading a good young player for another good young player would cause someone to withdraw support for the Bruins. Really weird.
 
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I think it would be weird that trading a good young player for another good young player would cause someone to withdraw support for the Bruins. Really weird.
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1 player. ELC, rookie season, playing above expectations.
Other player, 4 years older, solid career, playing below expectations.

Bruins needs top 4 defenseman, top 6 forward.

May be the climate now, but defensemen surely seem to be a lot harder to acquire than wingers, especially those that are struggling offensively now.

Moving one player to fill a hole, while creating another hole, which is currently harder to fill at the moment is worse than lateral. I don't know the return or all the players involved, but Carlo for Landeskog in bubble is a pure win for the Bruins. For the current team, I don't know how it makes them a better team both short and long term, unless Don Sweeney has plans to acquire TWO top 4 defensemen as well.
 
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WhalerTurnedBruin55 said:
1 player. ELC, rookie season, playing above expectations.
Other player, 4 years older, solid career, playing below expectations.

Bruins needs top 4 defenseman, top 6 forward.

May be the climate now, but defensemen surely seem to be a lot harder to acquire than wingers, especially those that are struggling offensively now.

Moving one player to fill a hole, while creating another hole, which is currently harder to fill at the moment is worse than lateral. I don't know the return or all the players involved, but Carlo for Landeskog in bubble is a pure win for the Bruins. For the current team, I don't know how it makes them a better team both short and long term, unless Don Sweeney has plans to acquire TWO top 4 defensemen as well.
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I see your points. I'm not sure I agree with all of it, though. This team is having trouble scoring and I believe Landeskog will help that. I also think Carlo may be getting a TAD overrated around here because of the poopshow that was last year's defense. It's really hard to tell. Did he just come out strong and is showing signs of regression? No clue. I don't know how to feel about this rumored deal.
I do think that the "four years older" line that some have used is a bit disingenuous, though. Even though it's factually true, Landeskog is only 24 so it's not like the Bruins would be trading youth for an old dude who's past his prime.
 
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I see your points. I'm not sure I agree with all of it, though. This team is having trouble scoring and I believe Landeskog will help that. I also think Carlo may be getting a TAD overrated around here because of the poopshow that was last year's defense. It's really hard to tell. Did he just come out strong and is showing signs of regression? No clue. I don't know how to feel about this rumored deal.
I do think that the "four years older" line that some have used is a bit disingenuous, though. Even though it's factually true, Landeskog is only 24 so it's not like the Bruins would be trading youth for an old dude who's past his prime.
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Carlo fits a pure NEED for this team right now. If anything we need ANOTHER defenseman, let alone giving up one in our top 4. We literally have no other player to step up. McQuaid and K. Miller have proved time and time again they aren't good enough to be top 4 on a good team. C. Miller is young, but not trusted. Morrow the same. Liles? Journeyman bottom pair. That's 5 bottom pairing defenseman. 2 of which will play in the top 4 if Carlo was moved WITHOUT defensemen coming back.

Given Sweeney's track record, I do not trust him to fill the other holes at the same time. Leaving a massive gap.


Landeskog is struggling right now. So who is to say he's actually going to be an upgrade over anyone we have? Carlo is playing in the top 4. The rest of our defense outside of Krug and Chara are all basically bottom pairs. It makes our defense abysmal.
 
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It does make our defense really bad. I just think they are trying to buy low on Landeskog. Maybe Carlo doesn't get dealt at all. That'd be nice.
 
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None. Not here anyway, I mean if the posters here.....including me.....didn't walk away when they traded a superstar in seguin for.....nothing.....then dealing Carlo ain't going cause much ruckus.

They say keep him now. but within 45 seconds of deal being announced I can predict the essence of multiple posts. Ya know the trade growing on me, I see why Donny did it now, if it's true Carlo.....likes girls....drinks beer....misses Canada....limited offensive upside (which is likely true) .....is overly influenced by parents......is aloof.....keeps to himself.....too intellectual......or some other jive crap flouted out by the team and the black and gold hockey media. And when landeskog scores his first goal as a bruin they'll say landeskog translates to rocket Richard in Swedish.
 

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He scores a nice goal in the first period tonight, and I'm thinking: the price just went up on BC. Then he falls down twice, once resulting in a Detroit goal, and I'm thinking: not so fast, we may have to increase our offer with Carlo if we want to pull off a trade. Rookie mistakes, to be sure, but he's got some work to do to become a complete player.
 
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He scores a nice goal in the first period tonight, and I'm thinking: the price just went up on BC. Then he falls down twice, once resulting in a Detroit goal, and I'm thinking: not so fast, we may have to increase our offer with Carlo if we want to pull off a trade. Rookie mistakes, to be sure, but he's got some work to do to become a complete player.
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I don't think one or two plays have such great direct effects on a player value. Unless it involves cross-checking a referee to the throat or something. We'd have to add to Carlo to have a realistic shot at a trade anyway. Not as much as if we don't include him, of course, but still quite a bit. Hence why I wouldn't make the move. Straight up I would definitely consider it. You always have to give up something that'll hurt you to get something good in return.
 
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Build through the draft aka just like the Red Sox

Two kids that will become super studs!!

CAL Foote - son of Adam Foote
KOLE Lind - top 15 scorer just turned 18

Both play for the Kelowna Rockets of the WHL

Drafting bloodlines, something the Bruins never do..dumbbbb

WIsh we would have grabbed Tkachuk last year
 
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Build through the draft aka just like the Red Sox

Two kids that will become super studs!!

CAL Foote - son of Adam Foote
KOLE Lind - top 15 scorer just turned 18

Both play for the Kelowna Rockets of the WHL

Drafting bloodlines, something the Bruins never do..dumbbbb

WIsh we would have grabbed Tkachuk last year
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How?

He went 6th overall?
 
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