Connor McDavid will go down as the 2nd best player of all-time

[Elvs]

Nah, you just don't understand the concept that someone can play good and lose, and someone can play mediocre and win. It's not even a tough concept for a sport like hockey where there as so many variables to winning and losing.

So did Crosby play mediocre when he won his two Conn Smythe's?

 

[Miro4Norris]

I guess this Barkov guy Is the #1 all-time then as he seems to be miles ahead of McDavid and is literally embarrassing him consistently on the ice?

 

[Three On Zero]

He was all over the ice. His team blundered away the game and he still got the game within 1 goal in the 3rd and then set up a unreal chance for the tying goal which Bob robbed McLeod on. Should he use mind control from the bench to stop Skinner and Ceci from punting away the game next time?

Sorry that you never got to watch Crosby in the playoffs. Much better than McDavid

 

[Quinton Byfield]

I was looking at some numbers, and I came across these stats.

Among active players:

McDavid only has 11 game winning points (GWP) in his 109 playoff points (.101%)
Crosby has 34 GWP in his 201 playoff points (.170%)
Kucherov has 32 GWP in 167pts (.192%)
Kane has 26 GWP in 138pts (.188%)
Matt Tkachuk has 14 GWP in 59pts (.237%)

Also, Kadri is insanely clutch (15 GWP in 44 pts / .341%)

McDavid is 12th in active playoff points, but outside of the top 50 in game winning points.

Seems like someone is a front runner that likes to pile up points that don't contribute to winning games.

 

[Erikfromfin]

OP is correct. McDavid is 2nd best behind Barkov

 

[crowfish]

Sorry that you never got to watch Crosby in the playoffs. Much better than McDavid

Yea Crosby was such a playoff beast. Especially his .8 pts/game in the finals. Luckily for him he had some great teams to get the job done when he was just okay.

I was looking at some numbers, and I came across these stats.

Among active players:

McDavid only has 11 game winning points (GWP) in his 109 playoff points (.101%)
Crosby has 34 GWP in his 201 playoff points (.170%)
Kucherov has 32 GWP in 167pts (.192%)
Kane has 26 GWP in 138pts (.188%)
Matt Tkachuk has 14 GWP in 59pts (.237%)

Also, Kadri is insanely clutch (15 GWP in 44 pts / .341%)

McDavid is 12th in active playoff points, but outside of the top 50 in game winning points.

Seems like someone is a front runner that likes to pile up points that don't contribute to winning games.

I don't think you could have picked a more worthless stat if you tried. That stat measures nothing relevant at all lol.

 

[daver]

The Oiler have 1 goal with McDavid off the ice, meaning 100% of the attention can go to trying to stop him as nobody else is doing anything.

I was looking at some numbers, and I came across these stats.

Among active players:

McDavid only has 11 game winning points (GWP) in his 109 playoff points (.101%)
Crosby has 34 GWP in his 201 playoff points (.170%)
Kucherov has 32 GWP in 167pts (.192%)
Kane has 26 GWP in 138pts (.188%)
Matt Tkachuk has 14 GWP in 59pts (.237%)

Also, Kadri is insanely clutch (15 GWP in 44 pts / .341%)

McDavid is 12th in active playoff points, but outside of the top 50 in game winning points.

Seems like someone is a front runner that likes to pile up points that don't contribute to winning games.

Not sure this stat makes sense and it doesn't feel like it should.

Edmonton has won 34 playoff games out of 70 in McDavid's career. Pittsburgh has won 100 playoff games out of 183 in Crosby's career.

Simply more chances for Crosby's points to count towards a winning effort.

And McDavid's higher PPG means he was putting up more points meaning a lower chance for one of those to be a GWP.

That being said, winning is not some random thing attributed solely to being on a good team vs. a bad one.

 

[Three On Zero]

Yea Crosby was such a playoff beast. Especially his .8 pts/game in the finals. Luckily for him he had some great teams to get the job done when he was just okay.

judging someone’s abilities strictly on pts/game is an amateur look at hockey. It doesn’t tell a true story of a players ability

 

[daver]

Yea Crosby was such a playoff beast. Especially his .8 pts/game in the finals. Luckily for him he had some great teams to get the job done when he was just okay.

Like McDavid was lucky to have Draisaitl and Bouchard to get him past the first two rounds this year.

Crosby is a much better all around player than McDavid. Why do you think everyone is praising Barkov this year? He is barely above a PPG for the playoffs.

 

[crowfish]

So did Crosby play mediocre when he won his two Conn Smythe's?

I am glad you asked. Yes.

19 pts in 24 games played for a supposedly top 5 forward is absolutely mediocre. That is 10 points less than McDavid's current assist total lol. 27 pts in 24 games the next year was more respectable, but by no means some great performance.

 

[Quinton Byfield]

Not sure this stat makes sense and it doesn't feel like it should.

Edmonton has won 34 playoff games out of 70 in McDavid's career. Pittsburgh has won 100 playoff games out of 183 in Crosby's career.

Simply more chances for Crosby's points to count towards a winning effort.

And McDavid's higher PPG means he was putting up more points meaning a lower chance for one of those to be a GWP.

That being said, winning is not some random thing attributed solely to being on a good team vs. a bad one.

Sure, how about this.

RNH - 12 GWP in 59 career points (.203%)
Bouchard - 12 GWP in 54 career points (.222%)
Draisaitl - 14 GWP in 105 career points (.133%)
Eberle - 8 GWP in 47 career points (.170%)
Schultz - 8 GWP in 42 career points (.190)
Hyman - 8 GWP in 58 career points (.138)
Evander Kane - 7 GWP in 43 career points (.163)
Barrie - 5 GWP in 21 career points (.239)
Ekholm - 8 GWP in 50 career points (.160)

 

[CashMash]

Not sure this stat makes sense and it doesn't feel like it should.

Edmonton has won 34 playoff games out of 70 in McDavid's career. Pittsburgh has won 100 playoff games out of 183 in Crosby's career.

Simply more chances for Crosby's points to count towards a winning effort.

And McDavid's higher PPG means he was putting up more points meaning a lower chance for one of those to be a GWP.

That being said, winning is not some random thing attributed solely to being on a good team vs. a bad one.

Yup. Bolded derails the whole stat. Players get penalized for scoring more points.

 

[crowfish]

Like McDavid was lucky to have Draisaitl and Bouchard to get him past the first two rounds this year.

Crosby is a much better all around player than McDavid. Why do you think everyone is praising Barkov this year? He is barely above a PPG for the playoffs.

Yes and Yzerman was "much better all around" than Gretzky. That best "all around" trick people try to use to compare Crosby to McDavid is quite boring.

 

[daver]

Sure, how about this.

RNH - 12 GWP in 59 career points (.203%)
Bouchard - 12 GWP in 54 career points (.222%)
Draisaitl - 14 GWP in 105 career points (.133%)
Eberle - 8 GWP in 47 career points (.170%)
Schultz - 8 GWP in 42 career points (.190)
Hyman - 8 GWP in 58 career points (.138)
Evander Kane - 7 GWP in 43 career points (.163)
Barrie - 5 GWP in 21 career points (.239)
Ekholm - 8 GWP in 50 career points (.160)

This is more interesting but the % is really irrelevant.

If you wanted to point out that McDavid has an unusually high number of 3rd period points in blowout wins or losses then you may be onto something but I doubt that is the case.

Yes and Yzerman was "much better all around" than Gretzky. That best "all around" trick people try to use to compare Crosby to McDavid is quite boring.

Nice trick yourself.

Yzerman wasn't close to Wayne offensively, Crosby is McDavid's equal offensively.

 

[Elvs]

I am glad you asked. Yes.

19 pts in 24 games played for a supposedly top 5 forward is absolutely mediocre. That is 10 points less than McDavid's current assist total lol. 27 pts in 24 games the next year was more respectable, but by no means some great performance.

You said McDavid in these finals (and only the finals) has been better than Crosby has ever been in his entire postseason career. Now you're suddently counting McDavid's points from previous series. I see the goal posts moved.

And for the record, I am not nessecarely saying Crosby was better than McDavid is, but he won his back to back Stanley Cups when league scoring was near dead puck era level. Now scoring is at it's highest it's been since the 80's or early 90's.

 

[Quinton Byfield]

This is more interesting but the % is really irrelevant.

If you wanted to point out that McDavid has an unusually high number of 3rd period points in blowout wins or losses then you may be onto something but I doubt that is the case.

It's such a niche stat that I can't possibly have access to. But honestly, you're right, these numbers are relatively meaningless. I was trying to quantify how much McDavid's production contributes to his team's success, but I did not want to punish him for having less games played and less winning.

But my initial thought was McDavid likes to blow teams out, but doesn't contribute as much in close games. But that's only through casual observation.

 

[elmaco]

He wasn't even the second best player these playoffs.

 

[toomuchsauce]

the question has to be asked: is macdavid bad now? can you win with this player?

 

[Fatass]

I guess this Barkov guy Is the #1 all-time then as he seems to be miles ahead of McDavid and is literally embarrassing him consistently on the ice?

Lots of coasting by McDavid on that backcheck. Great offensive instincts but his defensive awareness is poor. IMO McDavid will be ranked with Dionne in the category of great offensive players.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I guess this Barkov guy Is the #1 all-time then as he seems to be miles ahead of McDavid and is literally embarrassing him consistently on the ice?

Posts like this are very embarrassing and indicate nothing more than how hurt you were when he torched your team

 

[paracord]

Context is key. He’ll never reach the career benchmarks of the old greats but he is without a doubt the greatest hockey player skill wise to ever step on the ice.

I mean, maybe skating-wise, but Bobby Orr would give him a hell of a run.

But can you REALLY say that McDavid has as much goal scoring skill as someone Like Mario Lemieux? I don't think it's even close.

And what does that even mean, "skill-wise?" NHL hockey is about playing the game, outscoring your opponents, and elevating your teammates, not competing in some sort of "skills competition."

And by the way: I still think McDavid will win a cup eventually. He's too good a player to not. BUT, maybe he needs to change his game a bit.

 

[Miro4Norris]

Posts like this are very embarrassing and indicate nothing more than how hurt you were when he torched your team

I don't think he played against the Pens this post season. Just saying that there is one guy in the finals who has outplayed all his opponents this year in playoffs and his name is not Connor McDavid.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I don't think he played against the Pens this post season. Just saying that there is one guy in the finals who has outplayed all his opponents this year in playoffs and his name is not Connor McDavid.

This is literally true

 

[WetcoastOrca]

He’s at best the second best forward in the Finals. That has to hurt his legacy. It’s one thing to lose to a better team but if he’s the best player then you can at least say his team let him down. Zero goals in 3 games just isn’t good enough imo.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Not sure this stat makes sense and it doesn't feel like it should.

Edmonton has won 34 playoff games out of 70 in McDavid's career. Pittsburgh has won 100 playoff games out of 183 in Crosby's career.

Simply more chances for Crosby's points to count towards a winning effort.

And McDavid's higher PPG means he was putting up more points meaning a lower chance for one of those to be a GWP.

That being said, winning is not some random thing attributed solely to being on a good team vs. a bad one.

Yea Daver, ALL of Crosbys points directly resulted in wins while all of McDavids don’t…

What a trash take.

He’s at best the second best forward in the Finals. That has to hurt his legacy. It’s one thing to lose to a better team but if he’s the best player then you can at least say his team let him down. Zero goals in 3 games just isn’t good enough imo.

Who’s been the best? barkov? The guy who has the same amount of points as McDavid with 1 goal?