Connor McDavid will go down as the 2nd best player of all-time

[Kennedys]

Mcdavid is carried by Drai and Drai is carried by Mcdavid so they both sucks !

 

[authentic]

Mcdavid is carried by Drai and Drai is carried by Mcdavid so they both sucks !

It's the complete opposite, they make each other better.

 

[Sentinel]

You know better than that though as scoring levels do freaking matter right?

Not by a degree that would put McDavid's peak above Yzerman's. Again: with Gretzky and Lemieux, McDavid would not sniff the Art Ross. Same as Yzerman.

 

[Beukeboom]

Agreed. The thing about Crosby is, he is a winner, a grinder, he will do everything for team success and is an incredible leader.

McDavid is obviously individually on an other level, but just on one side of the puck.

I am not sure if he will ever show the leader qualities or two-way acumen other great players showed.

However, he is still young and will keep getting better.

This is something that tends to get overlooked. Speed and dekes are clouding people's judgement in this tiktok age.

McDavid as a point producing powerhouse is a notch above Crosby, but as an overall player? I'm not as sure. Crosby did what he had to win and was pretty gritty amongst other things.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

This is something that tends to get overlooked. Speed and dekes are clouding people's judgement in this tiktok age.

McDavid as a point producing powerhouse is a notch above Crosby, but as an overall player? I'm not as sure. Crosby did what he had to win and was pretty gritty amongst other things.

Simply don't think McDavid has the drive crosby has. Crosby came into the league with a heavy tool box. N whatever tools he didn't Have he made sure to aquire. Don't think you'll see a player like Crosby in along time

 

[Video Nasty]

Not by a degree that would put McDavid's peak above Yzerman's. Again: with Gretzky and Lemieux, McDavid would not sniff the Art Ross. Same as Yzerman.

So adjusted stats don’t matter anymore when they’re in McDavid’s favor (versus Yzerman of 1988-1989)? Scoring between 1988-1989 and 2022-2023 was still a bigger difference than what I normally hear about this season and something like 2013-2014, as well PP and PPO being much higher.

Shouldn’t Yzerman’s 155 be worth something like 110 now or whatever nonsense I usually hear when the shoe is on the other foot?

 

[apadilla]

This is one of the most unhinged lists I've ever seen.

Thanks! What is the most unhinged name on the list? Better not be Dryden. In the 70s, with him, Montreal nearly always won the cup (6 out of 8 seasons).

If I recall right, he entered the scene late in the 70-71 season and exited after 78-79. Montreal won it all in 70-71, 72-73, 75-76 thru 78-79. Six times. Dryden didn't play in 73-74.

If I had the option of starting a team with either McDavid or Dryden, as you can figure, i"d pick Dryden.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Thanks! What is the most unhinged name on the list? Better not be Dryden. In the 70s, with him, Montreal nearly always won the cup (6 out of 8 seasons).

If I recall right, he entered the scene late in the 70-71 season and exited after 78-79. Montreal won it all in 70-71, 72-73, 75-76 thru 78-79. Six times. Dryden didn't play in 73-74.

If I had the option of starting a team with either McDavid or Dryden, as you can figure, i"d pick Dryden.

Guy Lapointe, Yvan Cournoyer and Jacques Lemaire also won those same Six Cups. Including Dryden, there's four of your top ten?

 

[Fantomas]

Thanks! What is the most unhinged name on the list? Better not be Dryden. In the 70s, with him, Montreal nearly always won the cup (6 out of 8 seasons).

If I recall right, he entered the scene late in the 70-71 season and exited after 78-79. Montreal won it all in 70-71, 72-73, 75-76 thru 78-79. Six times. Dryden didn't play in 73-74.

If I had the option of starting a team with either McDavid or Dryden, as you can figure, i"d pick Dryden.

My favorite part was you including Cournoyer and not Beliveau. So even for a Habs-heavy list it's quite topsy-turvy.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

My favorite part was you including Cournoyer and not Beliveau. So even for a Habs-heavy list it's quite topsy-turvy.

And he included Larry Robinson, who didn't even win his sixth Cup until a few years later. Sad!

 

[apadilla]

Guy Lapointe, Yvan Cournoyer and Jacques Lemaire also won those same Six Cups. Including Dryden, there's four of your top ten?

Good point about Lapointe and Lemaire. They are definitely in my unlisted 20-25 group, along with Beliveau. Heck, McDavid might be squeezed out of the top 25. As you read, Cournoyer is in the top 20. Dryden was truly extra exceptional.

 

[apadilla]

And he included Larry Robinson, who didn't even win his sixth Cup until a few years later. Sad!

Neither Larry nor Ken get enough credit for their exceptional career's. Except here. And maybe the 4 Canadians above didn't get enough credit from me.

 

[Sentinel]

So adjusted stats don’t matter anymore when they’re in McDavid’s favor (versus Yzerman of 1988-1989)? Scoring between 1988-1989 and 2022-2023 was still a bigger difference than what I normally hear about this season and something like 2013-2014, as well PP and PPO being much higher.

Shouldn’t Yzerman’s 155 be worth something like 110 now or whatever nonsense I usually hear when the shoe is on the other foot?

I never said a word about adjusted stats. Zero.

 

[Craig Button]

Lmao Lemieux couldn’t touch Orr and Mario can’t touch Gretz

said no one ever

 

[wetcoast]

Not by a degree that would put McDavid's peak above Yzerman's. Again: with Gretzky and Lemieux, McDavid would not sniff the Art Ross. Same as Yzerman.

Yzerman was a great player but McDavid is clearly at a much higher peak level.

 

[Video Nasty]

I never said a word about adjusted stats. Zero.

Where do you get off saying McDavid’s peak isn’t above Yzerman’s then?

 

[Steve Kournianos]

He’s heading there, but McDavid has a lot more to accomplish. Peak Harts and Rosses aren’t enough. He has to dominate well into his 30s.

He also needs to lead a team to a SCF. He can have help, but the great ones find a way to get there.

Can’t put him ahead of Mario, Orr, or Howe. No way. Not yet.

Orr by 26 had 8 straight Norris Trophies, 3 Harts, 2 Cups, and 2 Smythes. No defenseman will ever touch that.

 

[norrisnick]

Where do you get off saying McDavid’s peak isn’t above Yzerman’s then?

By looking at them?

Last 6 seasons.

Yzerman's top 6 seasons ('87-'88 through '92-'93).

Minus the two biggest outliers in hockey history, Yzerman vs the rest of the league, 4 of which who spent time with the two outliers, looks pretty much like McDavid vs the rest of the league. Minus the benefit of having anyone from his list playing with him apart from a partial season of Oates before he really took off with Hull after getting traded away from the Wings. EDIT also 30 games as Coffey got traded to the Wings late in '92-'93.

 

[Sentinel]

Where do you get off saying McDavid’s peak isn’t above Yzerman’s then?

155 ~ 154

 

[Cotton]

So adjusted stats don’t matter anymore when they’re in McDavid’s favor (versus Yzerman of 1988-1989)? Scoring between 1988-1989 and 2022-2023 was still a bigger difference than what I normally hear about this season and something like 2013-2014, as well PP and PPO being much higher.

Shouldn’t Yzerman’s 155 be worth something like 110 now or whatever nonsense I usually hear when the shoe is on the other foot?

Are you factoring in the ease a player has in todays charmin soft league as opposed to in Yzerman's era? That is a huge factor. Or the sticks they use today?

Yzerman's face is tore up while I don't think McDavid has even lost a tooth, very different leagues, and it can be assumed pretty easily that if you were to remove all hooking, holding, obstruction, slashing ect to replicate the conditions of today you could amplify the scoring of Yzermsn's era by quite a lot.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Yzerman is a joke when compared to McDavid

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Second regular season player.

 

[TeamRenzo]

I dont see how he surpasses Lemieux and Orr

 

[edog37]

I dont see how he surpasses Lemieux and Orr

That’s because he doesn’t.

 

[McFlash97]

Simply don't think McDavid has the drive crosby has. Crosby came into the league with a heavy tool box. N whatever tools he didn't Have he made sure to aquire. Don't think you'll see a player like Crosby in along time

When you get the Conn Smythe trophies with 17 points, your getting hand me outs. Crosby will ultimately finish a ways behind McDavid when you look at the pantheon of generational players decades from now. McDavid will be a mythical player who changed the way players play. Crosby didn't. McDavid is this generations Gretzky. Crosby is this generations Brian Trottier. It is what it is brother.