Connor McDavid vs Jack Eichel

[the_speedster]

Mcdavid isn't crosby.. anyone watching the two at the same point it their development can see that.

He is however at a higher trajectory than Nathan Mckinnon, IMO.

I haven't seen as much of Eichel as Mcdavid but from what I've seen, the competition between the two looks artificial. Mcdavid IS a prodigy. Eichel is a tier lower (which is absolutely nothing to sneeze at.

It's the same, for instance, as the contest that existed on these very boards, between Crosby and Phil Kessel. The two had seperated themselves from the rest of the pack in their early development, but even then it was obvious who was superior.

Alot of fans couldn't help but try to find a suitable challenge for the "king of the hill" and boy were there many.. I remember Daniel Bertram.. Gilbert Brule, Guilliaume Latendresse and of course Phil Kessel.

Kessel, like Eichel, was the "american crosby" just as Eichel is the "american mcdavid". In their younger years he was was the faster, more dynamic skater and shooter... crosby though was just... better.

Honest eyes will notice the same thing now, Mcdavid has that lil extra intangible... but again, that's not to say that Eichel won't have a Phil Kessel type ceiling.

Now if only we can avoid that annoying "Taylor vs Tyler" nonsense that Tsn's nauseating duo of dreger and duthie seem determined to push down our throats..smh

 

[Get North]

I think McDavid will leave Eichel in the dust for the 2015 NHL Draft.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Mcdavid isn't crosby.. anyone watching the two at the same point it their development can see that.

He is however at a higher trajectory than Nathan Mckinnon, IMO.

I haven't seen as much of Eichel as Mcdavid but from what I've seen, the competition between the two looks artificial. Mcdavid IS a prodigy. Eichel is a tier lower (which is absolutely nothing to sneeze at.

It's the same, for instance, as the contest that existed on these very boards, between Crosby and Phil Kessel. The two had seperated themselves from the rest of the pack in their early development, but even then it was obvious who was superior.

Alot of fans couldn't help but try to find a suitable challenge for the "king of the hill" and boy were there many.. I remember Daniel Bertram.. Gilbert Brule, Guilliaume Latendresse and of course Phil Kessel.

Kessel, like Eichel, was the "american crosby" just as Eichel is the "american mcdavid". In their younger years he was was the faster, more dynamic skater and shooter... crosby though was just... better.

Honest eyes will notice the same thing now, Mcdavid has that lil extra intangible... but again, that's not to say that Eichel won't have a Phil Kessel type ceiling.

Now if only we can avoid that annoying "Taylor vs Tyler" nonsense that Tsn's nauseating duo of dreger and duthie seem determined to push down our throats..smh

We can all agree that the so-called Kessel vs Crosby debate was hyperbole. Kessel is a very good player but a tier below Crosby. Always has been, always will be. That said, the gap between McDavid and Eichel is much closer.

 

[CraigsList]

McDavid is on a whole new level. The #1 spot is easily his, while the 2/3/4 spots will be battled by Eichel, Hanifin, and Kylington (in no particular order).

McDavid


Eichel
Hanifin
Kylington

 

[HeavyHitter99]

McDavid is on a whole new level. The #1 spot is easily his, while the 2/3/4 spots will be battled by Eichel, Hanifin, and Kylington (in no particular order).

McDavid


Eichel
Hanifin
Kylington

Have you seen Eichel play? Why do you think Mcdavid is on a different level than Eichel? I think Mcdavid is a little better but that they could be neck and neck.

 

[maketrades]

Have you seen Eichel play? Why do you think Mcdavid is on a different level than Eichel? I think Mcdavid is a little better but that they could be neck and neck.

McJesus is on a different level than Eichel.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Have you seen Eichel play? Why do you think Mcdavid is on a different level than Eichel? I think Mcdavid is a little better but that they could be neck and neck.

The "McDavid is on a whole other level" crowd never backs it up. Just on this page, there are three of them without a single sentence backing up the opinion.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

The "McDavid is on a whole other level" crowd never backs it up. Just on this page, there are three of them without a single sentence backing up the opinion.

I have no doubt about that. It also seems like a lot of Canadians (I'm Canadian) think he's better just cause he's from Canada. I think Mcdavid is a little better but imo they are very very close.

 

[Get North]

I think McDavid will leave Eichel way behind because McDavid doesn't have much help on Erie, everyone knows he'll put up 110+ points in the OHL without help and not to mention McDavid is bigger, stronger, better than last year not to mention he trained with pros this summer. Eichel will also underperform in NCAA IMO, he's going to be a 18 year old kid against 20+ players and that'll hurt his fight against McDavid. Although it's impressive for him to be able to play in the NCAA, teams will want to go for the player that is dominating the league.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

I think McDavid will leave Eichel way behind because McDavid doesn't have much help on Erie, everyone knows he'll put up 110+ points in the OHL without help and not to mention McDavid is bigger, stronger, better than last year not to mention he trained with pros this summer. Eichel will also underperform in NCAA IMO, he's going to be a 18 year old kid against 20+ players and that'll hurt his fight against McDavid. Although it's impressive for him to be able to play in the NCAA, teams will want to go for the player that is dominating the league.

McDavid's numbers actually haven't been as impressive as people thought. Not even close to John Tavares but every player's development is different. JT was amazing in the OHL but not better offensively in the NHL than other first overall picks (Stamkos, Hall). 110 points is excellent but not mind blowing. But every player is different and develops differently.

I wouldn't be surprised if Eichel puts up ppg at BU or even Kessel like numbers. I fully expect Mcdavid to still go first though.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

I think McDavid will leave Eichel way behind because McDavid doesn't have much help on Erie, everyone knows he'll put up 110+ points in the OHL without help and not to mention McDavid is bigger, stronger, better than last year not to mention he trained with pros this summer. Eichel will also underperform in NCAA IMO, he's going to be a 18 year old kid against 20+ players and that'll hurt his fight against McDavid. Although it's impressive for him to be able to play in the NCAA, teams will want to go for the player that is dominating the league.

Doesn't matter how much older the players are if your just better then them. Eichel has the size 6'2 ~200lbs, skating, offensive game, and hockey smarts to dominate the NCAA and I expect that to happen. PPG/PPG+ is what I expect and so should everyone else. The difference between these players is very small. McDavid is the #1 right now, but to say its by a landslide, and theres no chance of Eichel passing him are just miss informed people bandwagoning the good old Canadian kid(I am Canadian)...where is your evidence. Lets here the McDavid AINEC peoples argument.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

If one thing is for sure, there is a big drop off after the #3 spot. I think Konecny takes it at the end.

 

[Get North]

McDavid's numbers actually haven't been as impressive as people thought. Not even close to John Tavares but every player's development is different. JT was amazing in the OHL but not better offensively in the NHL than other first overall picks (Stamkos, Hall). 110 points is excellent but not mind blowing. But every player is different and develops differently.

I wouldn't be surprised if Eichel puts up ppg at BU or even Kessel like numbers. I fully expect Mcdavid to still go first though.

I agree that 110 points isn't mind blowing for a 'generational talent' like McDavid that's why I think 120 points is a good possibility, even more. McDavid put up 99 points in 56 games, I don't think it's unreasonable to think he can put up 120 points in 68 games, (21 more points in 12 games) or close to 120 points.

Eichel going PPG at BU is alot, it's possible but I think 0.70 PPG is what he'll get.

Doesn't matter how much older the players are if your just better then them. Eichel has the size 6'2 ~200lbs, skating, offensive game, and hockey smarts to dominate the NCAA and I expect that to happen. PPG/PPG+ is what I expect and so should everyone else. The difference between these players is very small. McDavid is the #1 right now, but to say its by a landslide, and theres no chance of Eichel passing him are just miss informed people bandwagoning the good old Canadian kid(I am Canadian)...where is your evidence. Lets here the McDavid AINEC peoples argument.

It doesn't matter? Of course it matters, Eichel won't be able to dominate at the NCAA like how he did in the USHL. Eichel has been listed at 6'1 and 190 pounds on eliteprospects so he's not 6'2 200 pounds. Eichel is a great player and no one is going to stop his IQ and hockey smarts but I feel like he won't be able to dominate games although he'll contribute offensively and play a top 6 role probably. McDavid is about 6'1 from my view and close to 200 pounds I think I read somewhere, he isn't a small kid.

You ignored my points, these 2 players are both great talents but this year will favour McDavid more weather the media likes it or not.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Eichel has been listed at 6'1 and 190 pounds on eliteprospects so he's not 6'2 200 pounds. Eichel is a great player and no one is going to stop his IQ and hockey smarts but I feel like he won't be able to dominate games although he'll contribute offensively and play a top 6 role probably.

So what you're saying is that you think McDavid is bigger than Eichel? Because that's a pretty bold statement to make.

 

[Get North]

So what you're saying is that you think McDavid is bigger than Eichel? Because that's a pretty bold statement to make.

What? No I never said that.

 

[dwanmaster*]

I agree that 110 points isn't mind blowing for a 'generational talent' like McDavid that's why I think 120 points is a good possibility, even more. McDavid put up 99 points in 56 games, I don't think it's unreasonable to think he can put up 120 points in 68 games, (21 more points in 12 games) or close to 120 points.

Eichel going PPG at BU is alot, it's possible but I think 0.70 PPG is what he'll get.

It doesn't matter? Of course it matters, Eichel won't be able to dominate at the NCAA like how he did in the USHL. Eichel has been listed at 6'1 and 190 pounds on eliteprospects so he's not 6'2 200 pounds. Eichel is a great player and no one is going to stop his IQ and hockey smarts but I feel like he won't be able to dominate games although he'll contribute offensively and play a top 6 role probably. McDavid is about 6'1 from my view and close to 200 pounds I think I read somewhere, he isn't a small kid.

You ignored my points, these 2 players are both great talents but this year will favour McDavid more weather the media likes it or not.

"I'm going to go with Eichel's dated height and weight on EP but not Mcdavid's"

Mcdavid is 6'0 185 according to Elite Prospects

 

[Paxon]

What? No I never said that.

Actually what you said necessitates that you think McDavid is bigger than Eichel:
"Eichel has been listed at 6'1 and 190 pounds on eliteprospects so he's not 6'2 200 pounds."
"McDavid is about 6'1 from my view and close to 200 pounds I think I read somewhere, he isn't a small kid."

If Eichel is not 200 pounds because he's listed by EP as 190 and McDavid is close to 200 pounds, does that not mean McDavid is bigger?

EP lists McDavid as 6'0" 185. These measurements are both from last season as far as I recall. McDavid looks like he put on a good amount of muscle this offseason, and I would imagine Eichel also added weight, remaining bigger than McDavid.

 

[Juxtaposer]

What? No I never said that.

You said that you thought McDavid was 6'1" and 200lbs, and then suggested that you thought Eichel was 6'1" 190lbs. Don't backtrack.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

Elite prospects is no up to date all the time Eichel is 6'2 200~, and McDavid is 6'1 190~ to my knowledge. Anyway Eichel should have no trouble adjusting to the NCAA, and after say 4-8 games will be fine. The only way he doesn't succeed is if he gets injured. Finally McDavid could very well out shine Eichel in the end, but it will be very very very close either way.

 

[jgoud*]

can't wait to watch them play each other on new years eve

 

[Get North]

Actually what you said necessitates that you think McDavid is bigger than Eichel:
"Eichel has been listed at 6'1 and 190 pounds on eliteprospects so he's not 6'2 200 pounds."
"McDavid is about 6'1 from my view and close to 200 pounds I think I read somewhere, he isn't a small kid."

If Eichel is not 200 pounds because he's listed by EP as 190 and McDavid is close to 200 pounds, does that not mean McDavid is bigger?

EP lists McDavid as 6'0" 185. These measurements are both from last season as far as I recall. McDavid looks like he put on a good amount of muscle this offseason, and I would imagine Eichel also added weight, remaining bigger than McDavid.

You said that you thought McDavid was 6'1" and 200lbs, and then suggested that you thought Eichel was 6'1" 190lbs. Don't backtrack.

I wouldn't be surprised to see McDavid taller than Eichel. There was an article about how McDavid added a few pounds, he looks to have inches on Crosby and Crosby is 5'11 so McDavid could be 6'2, but I'm almost sure he's atleast 6'1 looking at the World Junior Summer Camp games. Adding into the fact that McDavid added a few pounds might mean he's close to 190-200 since he was 180 during the season. Eichel might have grown aswell but I currently have no news.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=727829 that's the article.

Elite prospects is no up to date all the time Eichel is 6'2 200~, and McDavid is 6'1 190~ to my knowledge. Anyway Eichel should have no trouble adjusting to the NCAA, and after say 4-8 games will be fine. The only way he doesn't succeed is if he gets injured. Finally McDavid could very well out shine Eichel in the end, but it will be very very very close either way.

Alright if you want to say Eichel is 6'2 and 200~ pounds then go ahead but McDavid isn't a small kid and everybody likes speaking about Eichel playing the more 'gritty', 'power' game as if McDavid doesn't play such thing. McDavid digs in the corners alot, that's a big part of his game and taking it to the net is also a big part of his game.

It won't be very very very close. The media might make it out to be but this isn't a forward vs defenceman comparison, this is forward vs forward and the better forward will be McDavid and is McDavid. If you have been compared to Crosby or 'the next one', you'll go #1 no doubt. There's no arguing that, Eichel is going from facing regular 18/19 year olds to facing 20+ year olds who are physically developed and have been playing the NCAA for longer than Eichel. Eichel will have growing pains jumping into a bigger league, that will cause for concern and you'll see stories about McDavid breaking away as #1 as if it was a question to begin with. TSN will try a 'Eichel vs Connor' like a 'Reinhart vs Ekblad' like a 'MacKinnon vs Jones' like a 'Taylor or Tyler' whatever. TSN will make sure 2 prospects are fighting for the #1 spot or look like it's going down to the wire.

I respect how good Eichel is, he's the best American propsect since Kane but McDavid has too much hype, McDavid will explode while Eichel will have bumps in the NCAA freshman season.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

So McDavids hype will cause him to explode? Man Eichel better watch out for that media hype train that will run him over ...Also its to bad he wasn't compared too Crosby now there's no chance he'll get too #1. Sarcasm

Any way I never said McDavid was small once I merely said Eichel was 6'2 and Connor was 6'1. Your argument that Eichel will struggle in NCAA could be right as I acknowledged in a 4-8 game transition, but the chances of that are slim that it a season full of bumps in the riad. Now let me guess if McDavid was going the NCAA route he'd dominate that level too while Eichel would still struggle? The answer is yes both McDavid and Eichel would/will dominate at their respective levels as both are unbelievable prospects who are head and shoulders better then most players they'll incounter. So yes it will be very very very close and barring an unforseen happening both should put on a show.
Also Eichel plays a slightly more stright line game, where as McDavid uses his excellent agility to to puck apart defenses. However both can do either, and neither is afraid to go too the dirty areas to score. So please give me an actual reason besides hype, and your future sight that McDavid will run away with the 1st overall. Thanks.

Also here's how I think they'll do this year(guessing)

McDavid-55Gp, 45G, 75A, 120Pts
Eichel-36Gp, 19G, 25A, 44pts

 

[1Gold Standard]

Alright, enough of this yammering... let's get this ***** started. I'm ready for some hockey.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

Alright, enough of this yammering... let's get this ***** started. I'm ready for some hockey.

Agreed. Can't wait for the season to start!

 

[1Gold Standard]

Agreed. Can't wait for the season to start!

I've never been more amped for a season to get going (NHL/Junior) than this one. Big Expectations.