Connor McDavid Playoff Performance

[Future GOAT]

It's a comparison of their first playoff series. It's not a sample size. Crosby's was better.

It was also a higher scoring era and Crosby was on an *arguably* better team. We all saw what happened to a vastly more experienced Crosby in this current era last season against Vlasic/Sharks.

 

[nabob]

No, it means that the goalposts for claiming a player is the best cannot be moved if it doesn't fit their narrative.

So if you want to claim McDavid is the best player, what should we be assessing him by: his production or team success?

The overall impact he has on the game.

 

[nabob]

Oil fans can't have it both ways. Connor single Handely led them to the playoffs! Oilers aren't a one man team!

It's not Oiler fans saying that he single handedly led the to the playoffs. Thats the clueless fans of other teams who probably.didnt watch a single Oilers game this season.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Oilers won and that is the bottom line and it was a team effort

 

[oobga]

It was also a higher scoring era and Crosby was on an *arguably* better team. We all saw what happened to a vastly more experienced Crosby in this current era last season against Vlasic/Sharks.

McDavid played 4/6 of the games with his best winger having a flu, and Maroon likely had it as well. McDavid may have been sick too, who knows. Think we can relax, he occupied arguably the best shutdown D pair in the league against one of the most structurally sound teams in the league, and the team came out on top. Great team win, and McDavid played his part. As I said earlier though, I expect more production from McDavid's line next round. Kesler is good, but he shouldn't be able to shut guys down like Vlasic/Braun and the 5 man defence the sharks play can.

 

[oilchamp99]

It was also a higher scoring era and Crosby was on an *arguably* better team. We all saw what happened to a vastly more experienced Crosby in this current era last season against Vlasic/Sharks.

Well said. That "one" poster just can't admit McDavid is the best player in the world when it's obvious to everyone. Not even worth trying to convince... some people just don't know hockey.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

It was also a higher scoring era and Crosby was on an *arguably* better team. We all saw what happened to a vastly more experienced Crosby in this current era last season against Vlasic/Sharks.

Actually, when the point about Eras being higher scoring, or the fact that McDavid had more ES points than Crosby in their sophomore seasons, the poster you quoted just instantly dismissed it.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

He's playing just fine I think.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

Do people not watch hockey? Look at what Vlasic and company did against Crosby in the finals last season. They are absolutely dominant defenders. McLellan said he left McDavid against them to garner better matchups for the rest of the team.

 

[frag2]

Guess that means that the Pens 4th line centre also had a better season than McDavid. Disingenuous posts like yours are a waste.

And btw, PPG was the main argument made by Crosby fans all season to say he was better than Connor, you know until McDavid passed him in that as well.

I said this thread was a joke when it was created to bash McDavid after game 1 and it's an even bigger joke now.

That poster is a tad sensitive [triggered? shook?] anytime someone says anything remotely positive about McDavid and even moreso if they say McDavid is equal [gasp even better than] to Crosby.

So its not surprising he chimes in with his garbage.

 

[M2Beezy]

Led his team in points had a goal in the final game won face-offs and drew all the attention to him and led his team by example. All this in his first ever NHL playoff series well some of the best defenders in the league were glued to him. Hell of a series for Mcdavid i cant wait to see what he does against the Ducks. Hes unbelievable anyone who is trying to bash his performance clearly wasnt paying attention

 

[bambamcam4ever]

He tried in the regular season and it didn't work out so well for Kesler. We'll see though. IMO the longer the Oilers stay in the playoffs the higher the chances of McDavid breaking out big time go.

I heard before the series that McDavid had lit up the Sharks during the regular season too. Maybe things change when teams actually gameplan for an opponent and not all players can adapt as well.

 

[daver]

That poster is a tad sensitive [triggered? shook?] anytime someone says anything remotely positive about McDavid and even moreso if they say McDavid is equal [gasp even better than] to Crosby.

So its not surprising he chimes in with his garbage.

Buddy, as long posters are calling him the best player in the world and trying to make excuses for his play by comparing him to Crosby, expect people to respond.

Don't like it? Call out those specific posters or just stay on the Oilers board.

 

[daver]

It was also a higher scoring era and Crosby was on an *arguably* better team. We all saw what happened to a vastly more experienced Crosby in this current era last season against Vlasic/Sharks.

Crosby was a PPG, McDavid was 0.50 PPG, whatever difference in scoring there was (likely minimal in the playoffs) does not cover this gap.

And how was were the #10 overall Pens "arguably" better than this year's #8 overall Oilers?

As already mentioned, Crosby was the best player in that series and played a different role that McDavid did.

 

[Future GOAT]

Crosby was a PPG, McDavid was 0.50 PPG, whatever difference in scoring there was (likely minimal in the playoffs) does not cover this gap.

And how was were the #10 overall Pens "arguably" better than this year's #8 overall Oilers?

As already mentioned, Crosby was the best player in that series and played a different role that McDavid did.

It's already been pointed out that it was a higher scoring era, evidence backs this up, on top of that a very experienced Crosby got shut down by the same Sharks last year in this current era in which both he and McDavid play in simultaneously, and he was held to only 4 points and was pretty invisible. So you're really grasping at straws.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Games and series aren't played the same way.

3 of the 6 games were won by shutout.

5 of the 6 games were 1 goal (EN doesn't count).


McDavid did it with team defense.

2 shutouts.
2x 1 goal against.


This isn't a run n' gun squad. This a team built for the west.

 

[daver]

Crosby was the best Pen forward that series. His line, which was comprised of lower depth forwards and was not assigned the task of being the offensive catalyst for the team, that was the HBK line, took on the Sharks loaded #1 line and d-pairing, held them to a draw points-wise, and allowed their other lines to take advantage of the better matchups. He also stepped up in the key moments in OT and in the series clinching game. He won the CS for this performance.

Did McDavid do the same for the Oilers?

It's already been pointed out that it was a higher scoring era, evidence backs this up, on top of that a very experienced Crosby got shut down by the same Sharks last year in this current era in which both he and McDavid play in simultaneously in, and he was held to only 4 points and was pretty invisible. So you're really grasping at straws.

Can provide the evidence that scoring in the 2007 playoffs was higher.

As for Crosby last year, read the post above.

 

[Future GOAT]

Can provide the evidence that scoring in the 2007 playoffs was higher.

As for Crosby last year, read the post above.

The Sharks D were tasked with shutting down Crosby, and that's exactly what they did. I watched both series, Crosby was pretty invisible, you are over selling him, but I understand with you it comes with the territory. Seen enough of your posts to understand your need to marginalize McDavid to bring Crosby up.

 

[daver]

The Sharks D were tasked with shutting down Crosby, and that's exactly what they did. I watched both series, Crosby was pretty invisible, you are over selling him, but I understand with you it comes with the territory. Seen enough of your posts to understand your need to marginalize McDavid to bring Crosby up.

Ok, ConnorMcJesus, I'll take your word on that and try to be more objective.

 

[Sam Spade]

Led his team in points had a goal in the final game won face-offs and drew all the attention to him and led his team by example. All this in his first ever NHL playoff series well some of the best defenders in the league were glued to him. Hell of a series for Mcdavid i cant wait to see what he does against the Ducks. Hes unbelievable anyone who is trying to bash his performance clearly wasnt paying attention

The best three defenses left in the playoffs are the Ducks, Blues and Preds, should be interesting for sure.

 

[Dorian2]

Ok, ConnorMcJesus, I'll take your word on that and try to be more objective.

I'd suggest that you overly marginalize McDavid as well. I'm also a Crosby fan and have nothing but the utmost respect for him. He's done a great job for the Pens his entire career. But undermining McDavid to bring Crosby above and beyond anything that McDavid has and will continue to accomplish is beyond reason IMO. I'm also very aware of the opposite end of the spectrum of Crosby bashers to raise McDavid up.

You should respect McDavid as much as McDavid respects Crosby. Just a thought.

Each player brings his own thing and are great in their own right.

 

[KnoccOut]

McDavid doesnt have a better player on his own team like Crosby does..

Malkin > Crosby

 

[daver]

His first playoff should not be anything but a great experience for him regardless of how he and his team do. Anyone looking to define him based on this year is jumping the gun.

That being said, for the "McDavid is the best player now" crowd, you have to expect that means he will be viewed under a microscope and appropriately critiqued if he doesn't deliver.

I'd suggest that you overly marginalize McDavid as well. I'm also a Crosby fan and have nothing but the utmost respect for him. He's done a great job for the Pens his entire career. But undermining McDavid to bring Crosby above and beyond anything that McDavid has and will continue to accomplish is beyond reason IMO. I'm also very aware of the opposite end of the spectrum of Crosby bashers to raise McDavid up.

You should respect McDavid as much as McDavid respects Crosby. Just a thought.

Each player brings his own thing and are great in their own right.

Here is my first quote in this thread and have not changed my opinion. Other than responding to posters who want to bring up Crosby or continue to claim McDavid is the best player in the world, how am I marginalizing McDavid?

 

[CanadienShark]

Oil fans can't have it both ways. Connor single Handely led them to the playoffs! Oilers aren't a one man team!

What? Oilers fans have been saying all year that it hasn't been all McDavid. They're playing like a good team. Talbot has been arguably their MVP. It's other fan bases that keep saying McDavid is doing everything. Oilers fans have tried to drive home the fact that they finally have a good, solid roster BEYOND McDavid.

 

[bring back the jets]

Do people not watch hockey? Look at what Vlasic and company did against Crosby in the finals last season. They are absolutely dominant defenders. McLellan said he left McDavid against them to garner better matchups for the rest of the team.

This. McDavid played fine but san jose did well at shutting him down. That was clearly a large part of their strategy. It didn't workout for them but gotta give credit to vlasic. A guy who can shut down top players they way he can is a valuable asset.