Combined Goalie Discussion thread

[andora]

So in summary, everything worked out absolutely perfectly, as designed. Would not, could not change a thing.

Yes.. i am glad you see it

 

[ToneDog]

It's interesting to note that a lot of the alternative names thrown around last offseason are not off to the greatest starts.

GSAx:

Kuemper: -0.6
Gibson: -1.2
Blackwood: -1.5
Campbell: -2.4
Vanacek: -3.4
Fleury: -6.4 (worst in the NHL so far)
Talbot: Injured 5-7 weeks

What were their odds of being injured because Murray's were 100% and the betters cashed in Saturday. Perhaps @Mess is a better forecaster than the Leaf GM ??

 

[Dekes For Days]

So in summary, everything worked out absolutely perfectly, as designed. Would not, could not change a thing.

Except nobody said that. Just because something didn't turn out perfectly, that doesn't mean a horrible move that would have actively sabotaged the team was the correct thing to do. And quite frankly, it's not productive to patchwork together a bunch of cherry picked best case scenarios filled with a whole lot of assumptions and hindsight and then be upset that we didn't do that. If that's how you look at things, then you're always going to be disappointed.

 

[Dekes For Days]

What were their odds of being injured because Murray's were 100% and the betters cashed in Saturday. Perhaps @Mess is a better forecaster than the Leaf GM ??

Murray's odds of being injured were not 100%, and many of those goalies have experienced injury struggles. Mess has not shown to be a good forecaster of anything, and for the record, the goalie he's been advocating for all offseason was pulled in his 2nd start and is currently the 5th worst goalie in the league so far.

 

[ToneDog]

Murray's odds of being injured were not 100%, and many of those goalies have experienced injury struggles. Mess has not shown to be a good forecaster of anything, and for the record, the goalie he's been advocating for all offseason was pulled in his 2nd start and is currently the 5th worst goalie in the league so far.

Yet after 1 game, Murray is out for a month.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yet after 1 game, Murray is out for a month.

Yes, Murray is out for some early year regular season games with a minor injury/discomfort, and in the meantime, our other tandem goalie is playing quite well.

Not sure what your point is. I thought playoffs was all that mattered to you anyway?

 

[ToneDog]

Yes, Murray is out for some early year regular season games with a minor injury/discomfort, and in the meantime, our other tandem goalie is playing quite well.

Not sure what your point is. I thought playoffs was all that mattered to you anyway?

100%. BTW you forgot Husso in your list who along with Fleury were at the top of the Leafs list, until they weren't.

 

[The Management]

Goes to show what a problematic goalie market we had this past off-season. Campbell, Fleury, Murray, Talbot, all having some bad luck less than a handful of games into the regular season.

I'll be honest, I'm less concerned about Murray's injury (missing some time felt inevitable), and more about his play.

 

[notbias]

100%. BTW you forgot Husso in your list who along with Fleury were at the top of the Leafs list, until they weren't.

Why bring up the goalie who lost his job in the playoffs... weird that anyone who yells about playoff success would ever want him.

 

[Dekes For Days]

100%. BTW you forgot Husso in your list who along with Fleury were at the top of the Leafs list, until they weren't.

You have no idea who was at the top of the Leaf's list. Husso is at +0.76 so far, as a result of a game where Montreal couldn't even generate a single expected goal. Though I would think somebody who puts so much emphasis on the playoffs would be more concerned about Husso being the worst goalie in the entire playoffs last year.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Well Samsonov is looking good early in his time here. I wasnt excited about him getting the reigns so early as I wanted him to have a bit more time with our new goalie coaching team but hes been holding his own very well so far.

 

[LeafChief]

Samsonov looks very good so far. Hopefully he keeps it up.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

If my prediction continues to be true, Matt is going to stub his toe so bad he sprains his ankle and will remain on LTIR getting those big pay checks while we look at who to use his cap space on.

 

[Fogelhund]

 

[Peasy]

Status quo so far for the leafs goaltending tandem of last year.

 

[mydnyte]

i hate to say it, but, we seem to have gotten what i expected...
Samsonov is solid, and Murray is fragile.
I'd have rather Samsonov and just kept Mrazek, or after flipping him took a gamble on another youngster like Comrie, though, having 2 young unproven goalies would have been a huge gamble, but, no less than gambling on Murray's health.

 

[A1LeafNation]

i hate to say it, but, we seem to have gotten what i expected...
Samsonov is solid, and Murray is fragile.
I'd have rather Samsonov and just kept Mrazek, or after flipping him took a gamble on another youngster like Comrie, though, having 2 young unproven goalies would have been a huge gamble, but, no less than gambling on Murray's health.

I'll keep Samsonov for the regular season and Murray for the playoffs.

That just might be the formula that works.

...and it's only 6M on the cap.

 

[The Podium]

i hate to say it, but, we seem to have gotten what i expected...
Samsonov is solid, and Murray is fragile.
I'd have rather Samsonov and just kept Mrazek, or after flipping him took a gamble on another youngster like Comrie, though, having 2 young unproven goalies would have been a huge gamble, but, no less than gambling on Murray's health.

One thing to consider, regardless of health Murray has never been below .905 sv% in the playoffs and has a career playoff save% of .921 over a decently large 50 game sample.

That kind of experience is worth a regular season gamble.

 

[Commander Clueless]

I gotta say the Murray situation mirrors my opinion on the Mrazek signing last season - I hated it at the time, and it immediately got far worse than I expected.

The last two offseasons Dubas and I haven't seen eye to eye at all, although last season turned out okay (franchise record, NBD)....

 

[mydnyte]

hmmn, other than Murray's contract expiring in the Matthews re-up season here are some 'potentially' available UFA goalies for the 24/25 season:

Hellebuyck (wheeler coming off the books, but need to re-up Scheifele, so, Hells may go ufa if the team sucks)
Sorokin (only have Baily and Beauvillier coming off the books, enough $$ to resign, but, will he want to stay)
Hart (not often a young goalie can pick his team, and $$ and if their players get healthy, they are capped out)
Driedger (should have the cap $$ but, he'd be low on my list)

 

[Commander Clueless]

I'll keep Samsonov for the regular season and Murray for the playoffs.

That just might be the formula that works.

...and it's only 6M on the cap.

I think the problem is going to be we at least need a reliable backup for Samsonov at this point.

Maybe Kallgren/Woll can run with it, but more likely we will be scouring the wanted ads for discount goalies....in a tight market.

 

[LeafChief]

Where are all of those stats that suggested Samsonov wasn't a good goalie?

 

[Doublerum1975]

Where are all of those stats that suggested Samsonov wasn't a good goalie?

Well they posted his stats for the start of the year earlier for the start of a season hopefully he can keep it going

 

[Stephen]

Samsonov has been a lot stronger than anticipated and has made the Murray early season disaster irrelevant. Which is kind of weird because Murray had such a strong pre-season.

 

[colchar]

You have no idea who was at the top of the Leaf's list. Husso is at +0.76 so far, as a result of a game where Montreal couldn't even generate a single expected goal.