News Article: Colorado Avalanche Media Coverage Part VI

henchman21

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Looks like many people lost their job today at the Athletic







The Athletic when they were at their peaks was burning over 100b a year. Now we have a tightened economic market where people cut off frivolous things like these subs and they are offering dirt cheap entries (and continuations) to keep numbers up. Only a matter of time before the NYT did another round (this won't be the last either).
 
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expatriatedtexan

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One of the major problems with the Athletic is pricing. They practically give themselves away for free for a year. Renewal comes up, they want to charge $80+. People try to cancel, but during the process get an offer to get another year for less than $14.

How can you properly budget with such an erratic cash flow from subscribers? What's a year's subscription actually worth?
 

henchman21

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One of the major problems with the Athletic is pricing. They practically give themselves away for free for a year. Renewal comes up, they want to charge $80+. People try to cancel, but during the process get an offer to get another year for less than $14.

How can you properly budget with such an erratic cash flow from subscribers? What's a year's subscription actually worth?
That's the startup model... get subscriber numbers at all costs, worry about the revenue later. That's why they have been bleeding cash... which is perfectly reasonable to do when VC money is falling from the sky. So many places have build legitimate businesses off this model before transitioning, but now that they are not growth at all costs.... it becomes completely unsustainable.

It would not shock me in the least to see the NYT divest within 18-24 months in the ~150-200m range, and I'd expect PIF to be in the bidding.
 

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One of the major problems with the Athletic is pricing. They practically give themselves away for free for a year. Renewal comes up, they want to charge $80+. People try to cancel, but during the process get an offer to get another year for less than $14.

How can you properly budget with such an erratic cash flow from subscribers? What's a year's subscription actually worth?
I noticed the same exact thing, their prescriptions are way too expensive and their sales are way too cheap. I guess their business models involves having confidence in their writing ability and keeping their subscribers that way, which at this stage is very subjective. Just because you think you have great articles, doesn’t mean people will have the same sway or vigor in that confidence. I had The Athletic and I thought they wrote bloody good articles, but I am not losing sleep over not having it. A lot of the most important “behind the paywall stuff” tends to get used/leaked by subscribers anyway. That’s just the internet world where making a business model around it won‘t really have major success.

I agree with @henchman21 though, NYT is doing what Disney does to ESPN with constant layoffs to save money for the entire umbrella.
 

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I noticed the same exact thing, their prescriptions are way too expensive and their sales are way too cheap. I guess their business models involves having confidence in their writing ability and keeping their subscribers that way, which at this stage is very subjective. Just because you think you have great articles, doesn’t mean people will have the same sway or vigor in that confidence. I had The Athletic and I thought they wrote bloody good articles, but I am not losing sleep over not having it. A lot of the most important “behind the paywall stuff” tends to get used/leaked by subscribers anyway. That’s just the internet world where making a business model around it won‘t really have major success.

I agree with @henchman21 though, NYT is doing what Disney does to ESPN with constant layoffs to save money for the entire umbrella.
This might be my all time favourite typo. Just head on down to the doctor and let them know you need a year of the Athletic

I cancelled my renewal. The content is worth reading when I get around to it but I found it really only seemed to draw my interest when someone else would link to an article. I just don’t care enough to pay for that and it feels like every other Netflix series where I don’t want to get invested because it probably won’t continue much longer at this rate
 

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This might be my all time favourite typo. Just head on down to the doctor and let them know you need a year of the Athletic

I cancelled my renewal. The content is worth reading when I get around to it but I found it really only seemed to draw my interest when someone else would link to an article. I just don’t care enough to pay for that and it feels like every other Netflix series where I don’t want to get invested because it probably won’t continue much longer at this rate
Lol, I get we got some Apple fanbois on here but they seriously have the worst autocorrect in the world of any phone I have ever used in my life.
 
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Balthazar

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Man that sucks.

Big layoffs too at French TVA Sports. Seems like the sport networks in traditional media are having a real hard time. It's not just the Athletic and their model.
 

henchman21

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Man that sucks.

Big layoffs too at French TVA Sports. Seems like the sport networks in traditional media are having a real hard time. It's not just the Athletic and their model.

The contracts for programming simply are not sustainable in today's market.
 

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Man that is insane. 1260 in Edmonton was the go-to for all things sports but especially hockey.

Talk radio dying a slow, painful death.

Wonder when the time comes for SiriusXM to go up in flames.
 

Balthazar

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Man that is insane. 1260 in Edmonton was the go-to for all things sports but especially hockey.

Talk radio dying a slow, painful death.

Wonder when the time comes for SiriusXM to go up in flames.
Podcasts these days are to talk radio what Netflix is to cable TV.

New era…but it’s much harder to keep up with 13 different podcasts than 1 radio station.
 

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I like to listen to local Canadian sports talk radio, because it's great entertainment when their teams suck lol, and TBH you get decent overall coverage in some of their programs.

The way Bell shut things down basically mid-air is exactly how they did it with Vancouver, Winnipeg and Hamilton stations 2 years ago as well. Just brutal. Ironic with how they pose with "Bell lets talk" and then they treat their own employees like this. With the layoffs and shutdowns in 2021, it was said that the employees were basically told during the commercial break that they are off the air, and they have 1 hour to grab their stuff and then security would see them out of the building. f***ing brutal.
 

henchman21

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I like to listen to local Canadian sports talk radio, because it's great entertainment when their teams suck lol, and TBH you get decent overall coverage in some of their programs.

The way Bell shut things down basically mid-air is exactly how they did it with Vancouver, Winnipeg and Hamilton stations 2 years ago as well. Just brutal. Ironic with how they pose with "Bell lets talk" and then they treat their own employees like this. With the layoffs and shutdowns in 2021, it was said that the employees were basically told during the commercial break that they are off the air, and they have 1 hour to grab their stuff and then security would see them out of the building. f***ing brutal.
Its shitty from a human perspective, but really from a business perspective, it is the right move for liability reasons. You want to let people go without them really knowing it is coming and you want them off company property ASAP.
 

LOFIN

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Its shitty from a human perspective, but really from a business perspective, it is the right move for liability reasons. You want to let people go without them really knowing it is coming and you want them off company property ASAP.
Why? In many parts of the world, that is simply illegal and it works just fine. Employees deserve a period where they know they are being laid off.
 

henchman21

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Why? In many parts of the world, that is simply illegal and it works just fine. Employees deserve a period where they know they are being laid off.
Because employees who have been let go have a tendency to do some terrible things.
 

LOFIN

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Because employees who have been let go have a tendency to do some terrible things.
1. They do intentional damage to the company -> sue their ass for damages. If we are talking about something like a professional broadcaster, they would never work again in the same profession.
2. They would be be pissed off and not show up to work during the time before the contract runs out -> once again, sue for damages.

Usually, people know how to behave and not cause trouble to their own lifes, even if they are pissed at their employee. And if you really are worried about that they would do something, maybe you should not employ them in the first place.

Garden leeeeaaaaaave
Or that, at least give the employees a small chance to get their life in order.
 

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Why? In many parts of the world, that is simply illegal and it works just fine. Employees deserve a period where they know they are being laid off.
I work in IT and when someone gets fired, part of my job is shutting everything down in less than 1 min.

I block all their work accounts, erase everything on their company phone, block their building access card and even kick them out of the office Facebook group. I do all that at the same time that they are learning that they are no longer working for us. Once they realize it they are already blocked everywhere.

I can't imagine letting employees going live on a radio station after learning that they got fired and it's shutting down.
 

henchman21

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I got that when I quit my last job... and totally understandable. I had full access to all the financial data, IT data, and bank accounts. Best to just keep me away while things got quickly transitioned away. My keys, tokens, phone, laptop, etc were all immediately re-possessed. I was escorted out immediately... and could only get my things from the office after hours with supervision.

1. They do intentional damage to the company -> sue their ass for damages. If we are talking about something like a professional broadcaster, they would never work again in the same profession.
2. They would be be pissed off and not show up to work during the time before the contract runs out -> once again, sue for damages.

Usually, people know how to behave and not cause trouble to their own lifes, even if they are pissed at their employee. And if you really are worried about that they would do something, maybe you should not employ them in the first place.
Suing for damages doesn't replace the damage done. The damage done can have massive impacts to your business while the courts go through their process. I've experienced someone destroying data that caused a lost client and shutdown a massive energy project for 3 years while the data could be recollected for impact studies. That employee got sued and the 'damages' were inconsequential compared to the damage done financially and reputationally. This person was in IT destroyed the main data and the two backups that were kept off site. Ended up that the company ended up hiring a third part to routinely backup and lock up the data for the whole organization after this. To the tune of a couple mil per year.

I get on a human level it is terrible, but as a business, you need to limit risk as much as possible. This is a very good way of doing that.
 
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If a business (that isn't dealing with sensitive information) needs to remove people they're making redundant immediately for fear of reprisals then maybe that business isn't treating its employees properly.
 
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henchman21

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If a business (that isn't dealing with sensitive information) needs to remove people they're making redundant immediately for fear of reprisals then maybe that business isn't treating its employees properly.
It is just never that simple... you never fully know what is going on in people's personal lives and how they will respond. An abundance of caution should always be there.
 

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If a business (that isn't dealing with sensitive information) needs to remove people they're making redundant immediately for fear of reprisals then maybe that business isn't treating its employees properly.
Last thing a company wants is a former employee contacting customers and/or former collegues to talk shit.
 

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Last thing a company wants is a former employee contacting customers and/or former collegues to talk shit.
I get it that with some professions where you get access to sensitive information etc, you need to do layoffs garden leave style, cut them off immediately. Not sure if I agree this is the way you would need to do it with radio. In theory, yes, but those guys would end their careers pulling a stunt so...

In the end, we are mostly talking about time for the employees to prepare for their next step in life. If the layoff is done properly, at least give them garden leave for a month so they are not completely screwed financially, and have time to look for a new job. I get the sense that this has not been the case with these Bell layoffs, but someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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I get it that with some professions where you get access to sensitive information etc, you need to do layoffs garden leave style, cut them off immediately. Not sure if I agree this is the way you would need to do it with radio. In theory, yes, but those guys would end their careers pulling a stunt so...

In the end, we are mostly talking about time for the employees to prepare for their next step in life. If the layoff is done properly, at least give them garden leave for a month so they are not completely screwed financially, and have time to look for a new job. I get the sense that this has not been the case with these Bell layoffs, but someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
Unless Alberta is even more of a crap show than expected they’ll all get severance. At Will employees is basically not a thing in Canada. They’ll either have a stipulated amount in their contracts or will have to be given at least ESA minimums. Lots of provinces also have larger severance amounts for mass layoffs. As long as they don’t actually sign a release (absolutely do not have to in order to get ESA minimum), they can also see an employment lawyer and sue for more to get closer to common law entitlement which significantly exceeds the ESA minimum

If this was BC the bare minimum they’d have to be paid out is 1 week salary per year of service to a max of 8 weeks. Not a clue what Alberta’s ESA numbers are. Common law entitlement varies based on different factors but it’s closer to 2 weeks - 1 month per year
 
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henchman21

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Yeah they all will be getting severance of some sort. In the US, it isn't required most of the time (each state has different rules), but most companies do something with mass layoffs.
 

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