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News Article: Colorado Avalanche Media Coverage Part VI

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S E P H said:
I have always been a fan of what happens in European football. Honour the number and make a statue of the legend, but don't retire any number. If a player is crazy about Forsberg, then they should be allowed to wear that number. In the case of this, Nordique players would have their own honourable plaques across the Pepsi Centre.
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Aren't a bunch of soccer teams retiring numbers now?

dahrougem2 said:
I don't mind what the Leafs do. They "honour" jerseys in the rafters and that is great. But players can still choose those numbers IIRC.

Like... if someone on the Avs grew up just LOVING Forsberg or Sakic and wanted 21 or 19, I would like that player to be able to get the number.
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But what if that player ends up being a complete knob like the Ribeiro/Gretzky thing? Then it is not real respectful of what that number means to the organization.
 
henchman21 said:
Aren't a bunch of soccer teams retiring numbers now?


But what if that player ends up being a complete knob like the Ribeiro/Gretzky thing? Then it is not real respectful of what that number means to the organization.
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Yeah, but just because a number is unretired doesn't mean it's available to everyone. The team can still have as much control over it as they want. It just gives them the flexibility.
 
expatriatedtexan said:
Yeah, but just because a number is unretired doesn't mean it's available to everyone. The team can still have as much control over it as they want. It just gives them the flexibility.
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They have that flexibility too if retired… they can just make a song and dance about the player or his family allowing it.
 
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Oh oh oh it's time for me to shine

henchman21 said:
Mike Ribeiro honoring Gretzky by wearing 99 would have been legendary!

I like it... shows respect for the player. Many players allow others to wear the numbers later, but I like that in many cases it is their choice. IIRC Toronto doesn't take numbers out of circulation (outside of 5 and 6 where shit happened) they just 'retire the jersey.'
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Toronto did do this, then for their centenary Lou did his old man thing and retired all of them.

Retired numbers - in situations not including players who die or have to retire suddenly through some horrible injury - are stupid. It's a number. It doesn't mean anything. In a league where half the teams are less than fifty years old it just screams of an attempt to create a sense of history where there is none. I know other North American sports do it as well but it's still stupid.

None of our numbers should be retired. In a world where I owned the Avalanche the only one I'd allow is #19 and I'd set that as the immediate benchmark. If you're not an era-defining superstar who spends his whole career (minimum 15 seasons) you get nothing. I really don't care about Quebec's history and if I was a fan of a team moved in such circumstances I wouldn't want the new team to honour it either.
 
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While we're in this thread, did anybody notice last night that Moser seems to be growing a soul patch?
 
Remember when Ho-Sang showed up to the Isles development camp with that number? :laugh:

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Fun fact: Only two players in NHL history have worn the number 69. And that's not counting "McBackup" from the Rangers a few years ago.

henchman21 said:
Most players are kinda knobs in reality :laugh:
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Ribeiro was on a whole different level though. Did they ever find him when he went on a mega-bender and his agent put out a public plea?
 
Pokecheque said:
Fun fact: Only two players in NHL history have worn the number 69. And that's not counting "McBackup" from the Rangers a few years ago.



Ribeiro was on a whole different level though. Did they ever find him when he went on a mega-bender and his agent put out a public plea?
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Just saying having a guy like Bordy having access to 19 because he loved Sakic is kinda a slap in the face. Bordy is just a bit of a knob too.
 
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henchman21 said:
Just saying having a guy like Bordy having access to 19 because he loved Sakic is kinda a slap in the face. Bordy is just a bit of a knob too.
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Agreed wholeheartedly. I think the stink about Ho-Sang wearing 66 was waaaaaay overblown (it was the Isles FFS) but yes, if the number is retired, it's retired.

That said, I'm probably one of the few people around who agrees with the Avs that the retired Nordiques numbers should not have remained retired once the franchise moved to Colorado. I realize the Coyotes still honor the old Jets, but I don't think they should have either, especially since there is now another Jets franchise.
 
Pokecheque said:
Agreed wholeheartedly. I think the stink about Ho-Sang wearing 66 was waaaaaay overblown (it was the Isles FFS) but yes, if the number is retired, it's retired.

That said, I'm probably one of the few people around who agrees with the Avs that the retired Nordiques numbers should not have remained retired once the franchise moved to Colorado. I realize the Coyotes still honor the old Jets, but I don't think they should have either, especially since there is now another Jets franchise.
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Not honoring Quebec puts a pretty big dent in Joe's career numbers. We're talking about 508 games played (234-392-626). His Avs total are 870 games played (391-624-1015). For reference Milan Hejduk played 1,020 games as an Av (375-430-805).
 
expatriatedtexan said:
Not honoring Quebec puts a pretty big dent in Joe's career numbers. We're talking about 508 games played (234-392-626). His Avs total are 870 games played (391-624-1015). For reference Milan Hejduk played 1,020 games as an Av (375-430-805).
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Are you conflating career points vs retired numbers? I think people are discussing whether the jersey numbers hanging in the Quebec rafters should have also been retired by the Avs franchise when they moved. Not that the points scored of active players who made the move should be dismissed?
 
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No, I was poorly trying to explain myself. It's not worth the bother really. But because I always though the Nordique jerseys should have been retired, I was poorly pointing out that the Avalanche like to include the Nordiques when it is convenient (pumping Joe's stats with the franchise) but not enough to actually continuing to honor their player's retired jerseys. The decision happened in '95, I'm mostly over it by now. Or should be.
 
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MonsterMack said:
Numbers represent the player. It absolutely means something.
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So why can they only represent one single player?

I look at the NBA as an example. They do retired numbers, yes, but 23 is not retired league wide. Just as many people associate 23 with Michael Jordan as they do LeBron James.

If a player grew up wanting to wear a number, they should be able to wear that number.
 
My whole gripe with the retired jerseys thing is what happened with Goulet - dudes number was retired and then just like 5 years later he’s forgotten and basically he’s erased from franchise history?

If the Avs moved tomorrow to Mexico City and they tore down all the jerseys, I’m sure people would be up in arms here. If Sakic’s numbers were erased from the franchise history, people would be pissed.

Again tho - it’s just a stupid byproduct of the NHL ‘business’. I guess I’m a traditionalist, but I hate that a billionaire can decide to auction off his pet franchise to another billionaire and the team’s history is erased like an etch-a-sketch. If a jersey retirement means something, then make it mean something. If it’s not gonna travel in history with the team then yeah - probably just ditch the practice.
 
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Bonzai12 said:
My whole gripe with the retired jerseys thing is what happened with Goulet - dudes number was retired and then just like 5 years later he’s forgotten and basically he’s erased from franchise history?

If the Avs moved tomorrow to Mexico City and they tore down all the jerseys, I’m sure people would be up in arms here. If Sakic’s numbers were erased from the franchise history, people would be pissed.

Again tho - it’s just a stupid byproduct of the NHL ‘business’. I guess I’m a traditionalist, but I hate that a billionaire can decide to auction off his pet franchise to another billionaire and the team’s history is erased like an etch-a-sketch. If a jersey retirement means something, then make it mean something. If it’s not gonna travel in history with the team then yeah - probably just ditch the practice.
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No one's forgotten about Michel Goulet and nothing erased him from franchise history, not bringing a banner along did none of that. And it doesn't sound like it bothers Goulet himself all that much, he even worked for the organization for years (tried to enact revenge on them when he was in Calgary but that was likely due to him being fired in 2008 IIRC).
 
*Bourque's number shouldn't be retired in Colorado. He barely played for them!!! Nobody remembers him as an Av*

*Unbelievable that Colorado did not retire Goulet and the Stastnys' numbers*

umm.....
 
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