Collapse of the PAC-12: Oregon State & Washington State left in the dust

[red devil]

 

[BKarchitect]

These developments don't change my view about wanting not only Boise State, but also Memphis, SMU, South Florida, Temple, Tulane and UConn in the conference, with the home markets of the latter 6 being the main attraction (markets do matter after all, it's been a driving factor of realignment for decades now). I fully expect Cal and Stanford also be accepted into the Big Ten. All in all, the Big 12 and Big Ten would become the largest conferences in all of college sports, both spanning from coast to coast.

I mean I get it but that’s a big fat no to all of that from this Big 12 fan. 16 is plenty big enough to wrap my head around right now, I don’t want to only play teams in my own conference like once every six years. We may be headed to the mega-conference but I’m loving this 16 team alignment for the sheer competative depth.

Markets matter but only when the people care. I mean you basically listed the AAC - why isn’t the American a power conference if it’s all about markets? It’s a lot about markets but it’s a lot about other things as well. And the market is only worth what your media partners will pay you for it. I don’t want the Big 12 to merge with the American. We just basically merged with half the PAC.

The ACC is gonna get nuked. I don’t believe the GoR is going to stand up for the next 12 years or whatever.

I’m saving seats at the table for Pitt, UL, VaTech, NC State, possibly the Canes, etc.

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

With the Pac-12's demise imminent, the shots of MW schools other than Boise State being accepted into a P5 are dwindling more and more. Air Force should go indie in football and join the Patriot League in other sports to further their ties with Army and Navy.

Even with UNLV's P5 hopes dashed, I still think they should change the institution name to Nevada Tech University and their nickname to Blackjacks. Nevada would join a short list of states where the two biggest athletic programs are University of (state name) and (state name) Tech.

I mean I get it but that’s a big fat no to all of that from this Big 12 fan. 16 is plenty big enough to wrap my head around right now, I don’t want to only play teams in my own conference like once every six years. We may be headed to the mega-conference but I’m loving this 16 team alignment for the sheer competative depth.

The ACC is gonna get nuked. I don’t believe the GoR is going to stand up for the next 12 years or whatever.

I’m saving seats at the table for Pitt, UL, VaTech, NC State, possibly the Canes, etc.

I have faith that the ACC can keep it together. If they can negotiate a new more generous deal with ESPN soon that could help.

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

Until 2021, one notable thorn in Oregon's side was Ohio State.

Before their win at Ohio Stadium that year, the Ducks had never beaten the Buckeyes, going 0-9.

This included a loss in the very first CFP title game, which has been the only national title game in the 31-year history of national title games under various systems not to include at least one team from the Southern United States.

 

[GKJ]

more like the remnants merge with the Mountain West and just adopt the PAC name.

Mountain West teams would have to pay something like a $32m exit fee. Hard to see any of them doing that except for San Diego State given they are trying to.

 

[mouser]

If ND joins the Big Ten it will be for non-football sports only. NBC doesn't want ND in the conference for football because they want two packages on their network. Even then, ND has to wait until the ACC GOR expires. ND would play some Big Ten teams in football every year as part of the deal, with ND having access to the Big Ten's lineup of minor bowls - the same deal they have with the ACC now,

The Big Ten won’t accept ND as a full non-football associate member, that’s why ND is in the ACC.

The only exception they’ve made is for ice hockey. Where ND had a long history with the B1G schools in the old CCHA.

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

The Big Ten won’t accept ND as a full non-football associate member, that’s why ND is in the ACC.

The only exception they’ve made is for ice hockey. Where ND had a long history with the B1G schools in the old CCHA.

The Big Ten has a new commissioner. He could be on board with this whereas his predecessors weren't.

 

[mouser]

The Big Ten has a new commissioner. He could be on board with this whereas his predecessors weren't.

His predecessors weren’t onboard with allowing ND as a full associate member because the member schools were against it. A new commissioner doesn’t change that long standing opposition of the membership.

The B1G is very prideful, powerful, and elitist. If ND wants in that has to include football.

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

His predecessors weren’t onboard with allowing ND as a full associate member because the member schools were against it. A new commissioner doesn’t change that long standing opposition of the membership.

NBC could have something to say about this as I mentioned.

 

[Gnashville]

So Oregon St, Stanford, California, and Washington St are the only remaining “free agents” out there. SEC should say “f*** it” and absorb all 4

 

[MMC]

 

[No Fun Shogun]

The biggest tragedy in all of this is that the Big Ten won’t be able to stylize itself as the B16 Ten now. Ho-hum.

 

[red devil]

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Football is the economic driver here. If there was interest in Notre Dame in joining the Big Ten, football would be contingent on that.

But I think it’s a safe bet that neither side are interested.

The B1G is very prideful, powerful, and elitist.

To be fair, that’s Notre Dame in a nutshell even more so for two of those three words. Plus, the Big Ten did offer them a spot decades ago and Notre Dame turned up their nose at the notion.

 

[gstommylee]

it'll be interestesting this super conference will end up causnig a massive college sport collapse at some point.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

So Oregon St, Stanford, California, and Washington St are the only remaining “free agents” out there. SEC should say “f*** it” and absorb all 4

Cal and Stanford are likely Big Ten or indy-bound, with Oregon State and Washington State stuck on the outside looking-in. None really make sense for the SEC.

 

[GKJ]

The biggest tragedy in all of this is that the Big Ten won’t be able to stylize itself as the B16 Ten now. Ho-hum.

It will be easier to rebrand the logo when they get to 31 teams

 

[BKarchitect]

I think the only hope for Wazzu and OSU is if ESPN agrees to 17 & 18 in the Big 12 just to keep a presence on the West Coast because as of now, Fox owns the Pacific Time zone completely. And then Wazzu and OSU would have to take a considerable less than the full amount from the Big 12.

Part of me kinda wants to be like “screw it - let’s keep the continuity and let’s give the good fans in Pullman and Corvallis a break here and keep them at the table”. Looking at those schools and those college towns is like looking in a mirror for more than a few original Big 12 schools and what might have been their fate in an alternate world - I think their fanbases would absolutely fit.

I don’t think that’s gonna happen though.

 

[Gnashville]

Cal and Stanford are likely Big Ten or indy-bound, with Oregon State and Washington State stuck on the outside looking-in. None really make sense for the SEC.

I was joking

 

[93LEAFS]

I have no complaints. There is no better option that's still out there once Oregon and Washington were off the table since the better realistic options in the East are all locked in by the ACC's GoR for now. They're easily a better add than Oregon State, Washington State, or Cal (who just doesn't give af about football) and Stanford is probably going to go independent and still be fine. Now, what they're not is a better add than NC State or Virginia Tech, but they're both off the table... for now.

The only people this could legitimately anger is BYU.

Sort of surprised they took Oregon over getting a Bay Area team. Seattle is a big market. Oregon has the best program of the 4 right now as Nike U, but they don't really fit Big 10's recent expansion goals which have been about getting big markets outside of Nebraska. Rutgers was to open NYC, UCLA/USC were to open LA, Maryland was to open the DMV, Seattle is a sizable get but not quite the size of those other massive regions.

Getting UCLA/USC is probably the biggest get for any conference outside of maybe SEC poaching Texas in recent memory.

 

[93LEAFS]

Cal and Stanford are likely Big Ten or indy-bound, with Oregon State and Washington State stuck on the outside looking-in. None really make sense for the SEC.

I think the only schools that really make sense for the SEC going forward are UNC, Clemson, Virginia, FSU and Miami. Maybe they find one more to make it 6 when they eventually raid the ACC although no one immediately jumps to mind since I don't see a world where ND joins the SEC. I guess they could take Virginia Tech since I'm sure they want a presence in the DMV but Virginia would give them that anyway.

 

[GKJ]

With the Pac-12's demise imminent, the shots of MW schools other than Boise State being accepted into a P5 are dwindling more and more. Air Force should go indie in football and join the Patriot League in other sports to further their ties with Army and Navy.

Even with UNLV's P5 hopes dashed, I still think they should change the institution name to Nevada Tech University and their nickname to Blackjacks. Nevada would join a short list of states where the two biggest athletic programs are University of (state name) and (state name) Tech.


I have faith that the ACC can keep it together. If they can negotiate a new more generous deal with ESPN soon that could help.

The ACC’s media rights deal doesn’t expire until 2036. Everyone else might go through 2 more rounds of new contracts. The ACC doesn’t really have a card to play here other than to hope no one is willing to pay whatever price they have to do leave, which clearly Florida State is going to try to attempt, which means Clemson will too.

 

[DaveG]

Sort of surprised they took Oregon over getting a Bay Area team. Seattle is a big market. Oregon has the best program of the 4 right now as Nike U, but they don't really fit Big 10's recent expansion goals which have been about getting big markets outside of Nebraska. Rutgers was to open NYC, UCLA/USC were to open LA, Maryland was to open the DMV, Seattle is a sizable get but not quite the size of those other massive regions.

Getting UCLA/USC is probably the biggest get for any conference outside of maybe SEC poaching Texas in recent memory.

I think the logic is that they're already in California now with the two LA area teams and judging by Cal and Stanford's attendance nobody really gives a damn about college football in that area. Oregon gets you into a sizable state even if it has no true major markets, and has a diehard fanbase, plus the Nike money. Washington is Washington, that one always made sense.

 

[gstommylee]

It will be easier to rebrand the logo when they get to 31 teams

I think there would be a lot of internal fighting involving the courts when it gets to that point. At what point does the sherman act get involved again and the courts tell the NCAA/conferences to knock it off again.

 

[GKJ]

Sort of surprised they took Oregon over getting a Bay Area team. Seattle is a big market. Oregon has the best program of the 4 right now as Nike U, but they don't really fit Big 10's recent expansion goals which have been about getting big markets outside of Nebraska. Rutgers was to open NYC, UCLA/USC were to open LA, Maryland was to open the DMV, Seattle is a sizable get but not quite the size of those other massive regions.

Getting UCLA/USC is probably the biggest get for any conference outside of maybe SEC poaching Texas in recent memory.

I think they bet on UCLA/USC to cover the NorCal market, which is probably a good bet to make. Otherwise Oregon is a better brand overall.