Collapse of the PAC-12: Oregon State & Washington State left in the dust

[Big Z Man 1990]

I've always admired Oregon's uniforms in football.

More football teams at all levels should take that approach to uniforms.

 

[Spydey629]

I'm just saying I don't see why the death of the Pac-12 (or any conference) is anything to get upset about. It's a corporate body that really hasn't produced anything positive in quite some time now. I've been watching UCLA sports my whole life and never developed any sort of loyalty or fandom towards it. I wasn't actively shitting on it or wanting UCLA to leave before they did but it's insane to me that people feel legitimate sadness towards seeing it go. I get why Wazzu or OSU fans would be because those schools will probably never have the prestige they did in a conference with schools like USC and UCLA, but for fans of any of the schools able to jump ship I don't see how anything of value is being lost. I'm more sad about Bed Bath and Beyond dying and I couldn't tell you the last time I went in one of those.

I once sat in a job interview where I was informed that I was pretty much told that I had no chance at the position because I went to a Big Ten school, all because the person doing the interview went to a Pac-10 school. That point was made before a single question was asked.

The interview was in Reading, PA, so his vastly outnumbered attitude struck me as odd. But it always stuck with me. Worst interview of my life.

Point of the story… conference pride is a thing. Has been for a long time. And always will be.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I once sat in a job interview where I was informed that I was pretty much told that I had no chance at the position because I went to a Big Ten school, all because the person doing the interview went to a Pac-10 school. That point was made before a single question was asked.

The interview was in Reading, PA, so his vastly outnumbered attitude struck me as odd. But it always stuck with me. Worst interview of my life.

Point of the story… conference pride is a thing. Has been for a long time. And always will be.

I would have left the interview right after that initial comment to be honest.

I'm not wasting my time when there's other positions in the proverbial sea, and who on Earth would be so psychotic to discard a potential employee based on their Alma mater's conference? I mean, I hate UF more than life itself but if I'm interviewing a candidate that went to college in Gainesville I'm giving them the same chance as everyone else.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

No movements on the Bay area yet. I wonder if Cal and Stanford played themselves out of major conference consideration.

 

[Spydey629]

I would have left the interview right after that initial comment to be honest.

I'm not wasting my time when there's other positions in the proverbial sea, and who on Earth would be so psychotic to discard a potential employee based on their Alma mater's conference? I mean, I hate UF more than life itself but if I'm interviewing a candidate that went to college in Gainesville I'm giving them the same chance as everyone else.

I was a 22-year old graduating senior at the time. He used it to intimidate me - and it worked. A couple years later, I would’ve walked out. And now, 20+ years later I would’ve shamed him for trying it before walking out.

 

[KevFu]

It will be easier to rebrand the logo when they get to 31 teams

Baskin Robbins will sue them.

When these super conferences defect from the NCAA and a bunch of other schools follow then to a new banner, the process just starts over

Here's the thing with that... there's really NO REASON for them to leave. They've met the goals of a breakaway WITHIN the NCAA. "They want to go it alone, have ALL the money and not share with anyone." That's what they HAVE NOW. "They want to make all the rules" they have THAT TOO.

They don't need to leave the NCAA.... THEY ARE THE NCAA.

Oh wait, if the Big Ten sticks at 18, then the geographic split would cut through Illinois, leaving it up in the air in regard to which division that the Illini are in….

Oy….

I'd assume that non-football/basketball scheduling would be based on three groups of six, the four new schools from the Pac-12 plus Nebraska and Iowa; Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St; and then the middle six in IN, IL, WI, MN.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I was a 22-year old graduating senior at the time. He used it to intimidate me - and it worked. A couple years later, I would’ve walked out. And now, 20+ years later I would’ve shamed him for trying it before walking out.

Dude probably punches the air during the Rose Bowl even when his team isn't in it. What a loser.

 

[BKarchitect]

Posting this not because I think it’s likely but because Scheer has been pretty spot on the last few weeks. I don’t doubt that talks are happening.



Oregon State is emerging is a very viable candidate - I think they’ve completely separated themselves from Wazzu. Corvallis is much closer to Portland and the major population centers than Pullman is. Oregon State is a bigger school (biggest in the state), just built a new football stadium and has a ton of on the field momentum with a really strong team. Obviously you don’t select candidates based on football records but Oregon State just has a much stronger case. I think they are being seriously considered for the Big 12. I think Wazzu is MWC bound at this point. Pullman is very remote and Wazzu has a rather large athletic department deficit as it stands.

San Diego State has always been a growth property and they have really strong football and basketball and would get the Big 12 into SoCal.

Again, I don’t think it’s likely but if the Big 12 keeps adding - I think an Oregon State and San Diego State combo on the West Coast is pretty sensible and more attractive than Oregon State and Wazzu or trying to go East until matters with the ACC start to take shape.

At the least - I think Oregon State has emerged as the clear next choice in the Big 12 in terms of fits as a large land grant university with their strong football program on the ascendancy. I would not be surprised to see the Beavers joining some of their old PAC partners in the Big 12.

 

[BKarchitect]

Lol. Of course in the crazy world of NCAA realignment this entire report is disavowed by another source within minutes…



I’m more inclined to believe the Big 12 does NOT want to take on any more radical change for now and yet I’m sure other schools are calling. And I do very much think Oregon State should be at the table the more I learn about them. They seem like a great fit in the Big 12.

 

[GKJ]

We’re well beyond anyone not acting out of fear of radical change. 12 hours before before all these schools jumped, with the exception of Colorado, we were being told it wasn’t happening.

 

[tucker3434]

Maybe I’m just out of touch, but I don’t like the direction of college football. We’re adding some compelling football games to the schedule, but swapping some traditional rivalries for games with zero history. I know they’ll make a ton of money (my alma mater included), at least in the short term. But I preferred CFB to NFL for a reason, and it feels like we’re just turning CFB into the minor league NFL. It’s going to lose some of its charm.

 

[Fatass]

Maybe I’m just out of touch, but I don’t like the direction of college football. We’re adding some compelling football games to the schedule, but swapping some traditional rivalries for games with zero history. I know they’ll make a ton of money (my alma mater included), at least in the short term. But I preferred CFB to NFL for a reason, and it feels like we’re just turning CFB into the minor league NFL. It’s going to lose some of its charm.

Yup. Big money changes things. And not always for the better.

 

[varsaku]

Maybe I’m just out of touch, but I don’t like the direction of college football. We’re adding some compelling football games to the schedule, but swapping some traditional rivalries for games with zero history. I know they’ll make a ton of money (my alma mater included), at least in the short term. But I preferred CFB to NFL for a reason, and it feels like we’re just turning CFB into the minor league NFL. It’s going to lose some of its charm.

Yup. Big money changes things. And not always for the better.

My only hope is that when cable eventually collapses and the streaming money which is not as lucrative, will push CFB back to its roots.

 

[joelef]

My only hope is that when cable eventually collapses and the streaming money which is not as lucrative, will push CFB back to its roots.oryou watch d2 d3 naia

 

[Spydey629]

My only hope is that when cable eventually collapses and the streaming money which is not as lucrative, will push CFB back to its roots.

This whole thing is like a sports version of Atlas Shrugged.

 

[The Marquis]

It’s not awesome for the few of us with interests left in the Pac-…. Uh, 4. f*** college sports forever.

 

[ColinM]

I was a 22-year old graduating senior at the time. He used it to intimidate me - and it worked. A couple years later, I would’ve walked out. And now, 20+ years later I would’ve shamed him for trying it before walking out.

I totally get that. In my early 20s I would have eaten stuff I wouldn't put up with now that I am in my mid 40s.

Although conference pride is a thing you also never know who for the first time in their life had a taste of power.

 

[ColinM]

Maybe I’m just out of touch, but I don’t like the direction of college football. We’re adding some compelling football games to the schedule, but swapping some traditional rivalries for games with zero history. I know they’ll make a ton of money (my alma mater included), at least in the short term. But I preferred CFB to NFL for a reason, and it feels like we’re just turning CFB into the minor league NFL. It’s going to lose some of its charm.

Agreed. I wish College Football could keep its small conferences and just add a small playoff (say 6 team playoffs). Instead we have a conference shuffle where not all teams play each other in a given year and instead will play a regular season that will be devalued by its playoffs. Its akin to some of the changes the NHL saw in the mid 90s.

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

The Big Ten wants to go to 10 conference games. If anything they should cut back to make more room for juicy OOC games and preserve major rivalries that would otherwise be lost to realignment.

If they add Cal and Stanford, I could see a 7-game schedule with 4 protected opponents for each team and 3 rotating opponents on a 10-year schedule.

The goal should be to impress the CFP committee.

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

Similar, a Big 12 that includes Oregon State and Washington State could protect these three groups of six opponents:

Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Baylor, Colorado, Houston, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech

Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, UCF, West Virginia

These would account for five of each team's conference games each season. The other two would be rotating opponents.

 

[GKJ]

The Big Ten wants to go to 10 conference games. If anything they should cut back to make more room for juicy OOC games and preserve major rivalries that would otherwise be lost to realignment.

If they add Cal and Stanford, I could see a 7-game schedule with 4 protected opponents for each team and 3 rotating opponents on a 10-year schedule.

The goal should be to impress the CFP committee.

3 major networks ain’t paying them to cut back on their schedule.

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

3 major networks ain’t paying them to cut back on their schedule.

The thing is, most conference games in any conference aren't attractive ratings-wise. It's the clashes between heavyweights from different conferences that pay the bills.

 

[MMC]

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

The Big Ten is in a better place than the ACC now.

 

[GKJ]

The thing is, most conference games in any conference aren't attractive ratings-wise. It's the clashes between heavyweights from different conferences that pay the bills.

They get plenty big matchups on their own in-conference. They’re routinely the highest rated games in the regular season. Ohio State/Michigan blew everyone out of the water last year.

Some out of conference games did too, and even if there’s too few of them, one of the reasons they do is because they are infrequent.