Post-Game Talk: Cole's RETURN OF PLUS/MINUS: Pens/Boltzzz

[Harvey Birdman]

Zucker will get like a 5x5 extension so his contract will be right in line with Rakell's contract. The only thing that may potentially jeopardize that is the situation going around with Bally Sports and other RSNs declaring for bankruptcy, but that just impacts the cap going forward.

If the cap goes to $83.5 million, you're sitting with $20.9 million in cap space with 7 F, 6 D and a goalie after dumping McGinn. $5 million for Zucker and $1 million each for Smith, Poehling and O'Connor brings them to 10 F, 7 D and 1 G with $12.9 million in cap space. If you go with both POJ and Smith as regulars next year, I think you have the cap space to be able to afford to bring back Zucker while also adding a good goalie.

I can’t remember where, I listen to way to many podcasts. It was ether on the Athletic or SDPN I think… But I remember a conversation that there will probably be a jump the next two off seasons then see it plateau for a couple of years after to give the league time to adjust to new revenue streams after all these broadcasting nightmares get sorted. But they can give teams some breathing room the next couple of years riding already accrued revenues.

 

[enviSAGE]

a dad had jersey no.23, no idea who that was...

That's what made me think of it, like "was McGinn's dad already a part of the trip when Brock got waived, after he had already become a part of the dad posse??" Maybe awkward but hey I'm not giving up my box seats and free beer easily either

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'm never not gonna advocate it.

As Sid/Geno age they need more "heavy lifting" type of players and less skilled finishers. We should be willing to exchange offensive genius for better athletes.

In addition, we need a shakeup.

In addition again, we must keep Zucker.

In addition for the third time, I want no part of the 7 year, $56M deal coming Jake's way in the middle of next season.

I think Jake gets $9 million AAV on his next deal, with a NTC. I think it's a foregone conclusion this team's gonna hold on to him until it's too late to get any value from the player. It is what it is.

They'll re-sign Zucker though, whether it makes sense or not. I do think he'll take a bit off of what he's currently making though, seems to love it here and he's beloved by coaches and teammates alike. Probably comes in somewhere between $4.5-5 million.

 

[NewAgeOutlaw]

Why wouldn't McGinn's dad still be on the trip? He's not the one who went like 30 games without a point.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

4 and 0 post Kappy. Plus Zucker, Jarry, Carter, DOC and Petry

Kapanen needs to be healthy scratched, he's been virtually invisible in the last 3-4 games.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

I think Jake gets $9 million AAV on his next deal, with a NTC. I think it's a foregone conclusion this team's gonna hold on to him until it's too late to get any value from the player. It is what it is.

They'll re-sign Zucker though, whether it makes sense or not. I do think he'll take a bit off of what he's currently making though, seems to love it here and he's beloved by coaches and teammates alike. Probably comes in somewhere between $4.5-5 million.

I don’t think you can not resign Zucker. But I do have my reservations about it given his health issues. I just worry he will be the tale as old as time. Injury prone player gets healthy to have outstanding season earning himself a solid contract only to sustain a serious injury. I just get a bad gut feeling that’s how it’ll play out. But given his standing with the team and coaches along with his performance it’s a dice roll you almost have to take.

 

[BigEezyE22]

That's what made me think of it, like "was McGinn's dad already a part of the trip when Brock got waived, after he had already become a part of the dad posse??" Maybe awkward but hey I'm not giving up my box seats and free beer easily either

Imagine if McGinn's dad showed up wearing an O'Connor jersey...

Edit...better yet...pull the ol' tape over mods to make the 23's into 28's and put Petterson across the nameplate with Sharpie...

 

[Fordy]

++Zucker
++DOC
++Petry
+Petts

+/- Sid
+/- Granlund. Clearly has offensive talent, he plays so passively on defense. One of these "I got the secondary/tertiary" type dudes who is afraid to actually defend the puck carrier. Can't stand it. Why is he PKing? Unneeded. Hopefully after Poehling returns that will be over.

--This was a Rondu game because Geno was horrible
--This was also a Rondu game because Letang was horrible

he was tasked with pking which isn’t his normal
role, and i thought he was solid defensively. he tied up a man repeatedly, and got stick on puck on several passes. i DEFINITELY don’t want him in that role going forward but… he played well

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don’t think you can not resign Zucker. But I do have my reservations about it given his health issues. I just worry he will be the tale as old as time. Injury prone player gets healthy to have outstanding season earning himself a solid contract only to sustain a serious injury. I just get a bad gut feeling that’s how it’ll play out. But given his standing with the team and coaches along with his performance it’s a dice roll you almost have to take.

Yeah, Zucker and Jarry are almost 100% returning, whether it makes sense or not. I'm still like 70/30, maybe more, leaning toward Dumo being given a retirement deal by this team too, but not nearly as confident as the first two guys.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

Zucker will get like a 5x5 extension so his contract will be right in line with Rakell's contract. The only thing that may potentially jeopardize that is the situation going around with Bally Sports and other RSNs declaring for bankruptcy, but that just impacts the cap going forward.

If the cap goes to $83.5 million, you're sitting with $20.9 million in cap space with 7 F, 6 D and a goalie after dumping McGinn. $5 million for Zucker and $1 million each for Smith, Poehling and O'Connor brings them to 10 F, 7 D and 1 G with $12.9 million in cap space. If you go with both POJ and Smith as regulars next year, I think you have the cap space to be able to afford to bring back Zucker while also adding a good goalie.

Jars is a good goalie. If you are ok with running Dragon, POJ and Ty Smith on LD, then

 

[Empoleon8771]

Jars is a good goalie. If you are ok with running Dragon, POJ and Ty Smith on LD, then
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I wouldn't even be planning on adding 2 guys like ERod and Gaudreau, I was just thinking of one for the 3rd line. I think you need to give the young guys some sort of opportunity and at least have a 4th line spot open for competition.

But yeah, they can make re-signing both Zucker and Jarry work pretty easily it seems. Especially if the cap rises a bit, which it seems like it's expected it will go up to $83.5 million.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I think Jake gets $9 million AAV on his next deal, with a NTC. I think it's a foregone conclusion this team's gonna hold on to him until it's too late to get any value from the player. It is what it is.

They'll re-sign Zucker though, whether it makes sense or not. I do think he'll take a bit off of what he's currently making though, seems to love it here and he's beloved by coaches and teammates alike. Probably comes in somewhere between $4.5-5 million.

If the team can't figure out cashing out on Guentzel, they really are hopeless. And/or just a need to not have the same group of like 8 players go through their entire hockey lives together. This is not a tenure competition.

Zucker has played like a $7-8M player this year. He's also been healthy and it's also a contract year. But he's gonna get paid this summer and we need his crash-bang, speed and finish. We can't let him walk.

The assets that would have landed us Chychrun were 1st round picks from bad teams. What bad team is paying for Jake?

I think 2 1st round picks from any team beats the 14th overall pick, thanks.

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

Perhaps this kind of thing is overrated. But I think the lockerroom needs guys like Zucker.


Guys who not only everyone loves, but can be really good player as well. His energy is infectious

 

[Gurglesons]

If the team can't figure out cashing out on Guentzel, they really are hopeless. And/or just a need to not have the same group of like 8 players go through their entire hockey lives together. This is not a tenure competition.

Zucker has played like a $7-8M player this year. He's also been healthy and it's also a contract year. But he's gonna get paid this summer and we need his crash-bang, speed and finish. We can't let him walk.


I think 2 1st round picks from any team beats the 14th overall pick, thanks.

It’s been reported it didn’t.

 

[KareemTrustfund]

@KareemTrustfund is gonna get u

@Jacob was the true mastermind behind this

And also this is obviously the template for playoff avatars this year, right?

 

[ChaosAgent]

It’s been reported it didn’t.

I'll take my chances on having 2-3 more arrows in our quiver should we be good enough next year to find the players we actually need, versus just Sully's go-to "duo" that he can reflexively write on the lineup card.

Also dropping a player who plays on our first powerplay based on pedigree, not actual powerplay ability and undercuts our powerplay's production in the process.

I can't deny what Guentzel has meant to this team; he's a top 10 Penguin of this era and his performance in 2017, 2018 and last year's playoffs were incredible. He's still a really good player. But we need to make a change and honestly Granlund's cap issues force it as well.

 

[WickedWrister]

+++

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrots]

They found a way to win it rather than the other way around, and against a good team.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Two fantastic passes by Pettersson in this game. The deep lob to Zucker on the breakaway, and then that fantastic shake-and-bake feed to Zucker for the OT winner.

This team has elements that make it dangerous. It'd be nice if the front office could construct a full roster to help them take advantage of those elements.

2 primary assists that were super clean and 1 goals by 2 separate defensemen. If we can get offense like that finally generated in the back end that can make up for some bottom 6 lack of scoring.

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrots]

Why does it seem like Zuck is the only dude putting his entire being into this team, this year?

Contract Year?

He got hit by the Penguins bad luck curse pretty after getting traded here, I think he feels he has something to prove. He's never taken a night off that I've seen, but he's upping his asking price for sure this season.

Good for him - he comes across like a gem of a guy.

 

[PensandCaps]

The rumor from Friedman is that they want to add another 3rd liner, ideally a physical guy.

But what we have learned over the last week is that no insiders have any god damn clue what Hextall is going to be doing.

Preparing for Josh Anderson.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I miss Barbero. RIP!!!

Same.... but I miss Alyonka too...

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrots]

I genuinely want Hextall to go mug Rossi.

He's so... idk, smarmy? Definitely a bit of a shit-stirrer, which one might say goes with the job, but he seems better suited writing for a tabloid than being on the sports beat.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Same.... but I miss Alyonka too...

A quick google search...

Alyonka Larionov

ALYONKA LARIONOV. Host, Producer, Podcaster, Life Coach, Emotional Intelligence Guide, Writer.

www.alyonkalarionov.com

Life Coach
Mindfulness Teacher
Emotional Intelligence Guide
TV/Online Host
Producer
Environmental Advocate
Writer, Speaker
Podcaster
Eating disorder Recovery
Mental Health Advocate
Businesswoman

Sleepy would take like 8 lifetimes to even write out what those things are

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If the team can't figure out cashing out on Guentzel, they really are hopeless. And/or just a need to not have the same group of like 8 players go through their entire hockey lives together. This is not a tenure competition.

Zucker has played like a $7-8M player this year. He's also been healthy and it's also a contract year. But he's gonna get paid this summer and we need his crash-bang, speed and finish. We can't let him walk.


I think 2 1st round picks from any team beats the 14th overall pick, thanks.

Oh, I've made it clear, much to the disdain of a lot of people around , that I don't care about hanging on to anybody with a white-knuckle grip. I'm fine selling off whoever, whenever. I just think when it's time to move Jake, you move him for something like Staal got (top-10 pick, good/great prospect, roster player) and then it's time to pack it up and start the dismantling. The team's not finding a better fit for Sid, or getting more production (even though I think a lot of Jake's production is empty calories, and a product of being Sid's sidecar).

I just don't think there's a snowball's chance in Hell this team moves Jake before next TDL, and if he makes it through next season with the team, he's 100% getting that $9 million AAV deal for like 6 years, along with the restrictive NTC because everybody gets one nowadays. Then you're shit outta luck as far as getting value for the guy when it's time to tear down, because he'll be 30 when his new deal kicks in, making a shitload of money, and he'll have complete control over when or where he's dealt.

I'm all for exploring a Jake deal, I just don't think it's anywhere within the same universe of reality as this one. It just won't happen, for better or worse.