Post-Game Talk: Cole's RETURN OF PLUS/MINUS: Pens/Boltzzz

[ChaosAgent]

Oh, I've made it clear, much to the disdain of a lot of people around , that I don't care about hanging on to anybody with a white-knuckle grip. I'm fine selling off whoever, whenever. I just think when it's time to move Jake, you move him for something like Staal got (top-10 pick, good/great prospect, roster player) and then it's time to pack it up and start the dismantling. The team's not finding a better fit for Sid, or getting more production (even though I think a lot of Jake's production is empty calories, and a product of being Sid's sidecar).

I just don't think there's a snowball's chance in Hell this team moves Jake before next TDL, and if he makes it through next season with the team, he's 100% getting that $9 million AAV deal for like 6 years, along with the restrictive NTC because everybody gets one nowadays. Then you're shit outta luck as far as getting value for the guy when it's time to tear down, because he'll be 30 when his new deal kicks in, making a shitload of money, and he'll have complete control over when or where he's dealt.

I'm all for exploring a Jake deal, I just don't think it's anywhere within the same universe of reality as this one. It just won't happen, for better or worse.

You and I are largely aligned on this one.

I'm just not sure I agree on the fit for Sid. I think Sid needs someone to do more work on his line and would benefit from that kind of player just as much as a top 5% skill/vision guy. If we ever started L1 in the defensive zone we would also see the benefit of upgrading the 2-way play as well.

In addition, though everyone sh1ts on the bottom-6 and deservedly so, our first powerplay is entirely comprised of the "elite" guys and sucks. Guentzel in particular is just there because of his stature and that he's one of the best overall players, and is in no way benefitting the results of that unit. If we could get the powerplay back to ~5th again that could more than offset, say, Zucker on L1 and either DOC on Granlund at 2LW. In addition, you get the assets to remake your team as you see fit next TDL.

 

[SomeDude]

Why wouldn't McGinn's dad still be on the trip? He's not the one who went like 30 games without a point.

He got sent down too. From the Florida trip to Wilkes-Barre in March. Woof.

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrots]

MP's dad looks younger than MP wtf

I was wondering if one of the dads stashed a brother in their luggage

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

You and I are largely aligned on this one.

I'm just not sure I agree on the fit for Sid. I think Sid needs someone to do more work on his line and would benefit from that kind of player just as much as a top 5% skill/vision guy. If we ever started L1 in the defensive zone we would also see the benefit of upgrading the 2-way play as well.

In addition, though everyone sh1ts on the bottom-6 and deservedly so, our first powerplay is entirely comprised of the "elite" guys and sucks. Guentzel in particular is just there because of his stature and that he's one of the best overall players, and is in no way benefitting the results of that unit. If we could get the powerplay back to ~5th again that could more than offset, say, Zucker on L1 and either DOC on Granlund at 2LW. In addition, you get the assets to remake your team as you see fit next TDL.

I think how comfortable Sid feels on a line with a guy is as much a factor in finding a good player for him as anything, tbh. It's never been about the best player, but whoever Sid felt most comfortable with. I think Rakell does a lot of the little stuff away from the puck to help those two out a ton, and it's why I've always wanted GCRakell since he found his way onto the team.

Agree on the power play. It's a mess, and I think it's always performed the best when it had someone who could hold the puck away from Sid, Geno and Letang and dictate things like Phil or Gonchar. Everybody just defers to those guys now and they just play catch and/or try to force passes through a forest of legs and sticks to make the highlight reel play. The top PP unit is definitely made up by hierarchy.

 

[metalan2]

I was 100% sure we were losing tonight and was fine with it. Even blowing leads didn't matter since I assumed loss, getting to ot was a bonus, a win, is bingo.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Nice

 

[Ugene Magic]

 

[GregR]

So it appears the narrative from the local mopes is going to be genius Sullivan is overcoming the horrible GM'ing

 

[Zirakzigil]

@ColePens :

You forgot the thread title prefix buddy!


Remember when most of you guys wanted to ship off Zucker and pay to do it? What do you think now huh? HUH!?! Guy has so much heart and what a rocket for the game winner.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Nice to see Petry score twice. One of the reasons I was excited about his addition was because I thought he'd add some goal scoring from the back end. It hadn't really happened this season, but hopefully tonight is the start of him getting on track.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

@ColePens :

You forgot the thread title prefix buddy!


Remember when most of you guys wanted to ship off Zucker and pay to do it? What do you think now huh? HUH!?! Guy has so much heart and what a rocket for the game winner.

The ask was a first round pick to get rid of him.

We have had GMs who would have done it.

 

[Headshot77]

Assets could be anything! They could even be Jake Guentzel!

 

[Jobeycool]

His hands are fine, and he does create a lot of scoring chances with very little room. I disagree with you, he doesn't have a elite hands, but he gets the job done. He's killing it right now!

What I mean about his hands is he cannot seem to find that scoring touch he use to have when he played with the Minnesota Wild, however I looked at his stats he is having a better year than I thought. He has dealt with serious I think they where torn muscle injuries so. At least he is better when he works hard than Kapanen who was working really hard but just cannot seem to time everything together.

 

[BusinessGoose]

It's real good Zucker has managed to be a factor all year

I still don't want to pay him more than he makes now

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

So it appears the narrative from the local mopes is going to be genius Sullivan is overcoming the horrible GM'ing

The bootlicking in the Pens' media is nauseating.

I bet Yohe's probably got a life sized poster of Sullivan up in his study that he gazes adoringly up at as he writes these articles.

 

[Power Surge]

I feel like Zucker was pumped up to have his old linemate back with him.

 

[DearDiary]

4-0

post Kapanen Era

 

[AuroraBorealis]

A net positive L3 vs a contender. Sooo refreshing. That's your W right there.

 

[Zirakzigil]

The ask was a first round pick to get rid of him.

We have had GMs who would have done it.

Sorry no go. He’s a franchise legend. We’re more classy with that than the Kings.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

5 goals when you only had 10 high danger chances?

That's the magic of good finishing. Just wish we had more nights like this, then we wouldn't be in this mess.
It's an outlier, so enjoy it.

 

[Zbynek]

4-0-0 since unloading Kap. Zuck Petry Petts DOC and ... BIG JEFF CARTER!

 

[Honour Over Glory]

How'd a team every member of the free hockey press declare dead and finished 24 hours ago beat the juggernaut Lightning?

Tampa has been ass for most of this season. Very up and down. Too much hockey and losing a lot of depth players will do that. Also Brisebois went all JR on his team.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Nice to see Petry score twice. One of the reasons I was excited about his addition was because I thought he'd add some goal scoring from the back end. It hadn't really happened this season, but hopefully tonight is the start of him getting on track.

He hurt his arm too so he's probably just starting to feel normal again.

 

[Power Surge]

Tampa has been ass for most of this season. Very up and down. Too much hockey and losing a lot of depth players will do that. Also Brisebois went all JR on his team.

Yeah they kinda remind me of us. "Cup hangover, Nothing to prove, going through the motions, Country club."

Oh and a coach past his expiration date.

 

[Lust for Life]

I like winning