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Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

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Nino-Lowry-Apples is working right now so they wont /should not be separated for a while.

Top 2 lines not so much.

With Vilardi gone for a while it messed things up. Not a fan of Connor with Scheifele even though Scheif has been a lot better defensively so far this season (he actually backchecks).

If Perfetti is on the wing, that messes up things, too. Connor/Perfetti/Iafallo/NinoBarron all LW.
 
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jungles said:
I am repeating myself, but I still don't see it with Cole. He is a great passer with great vision, but I don't feel like he does anything else particularly well. Until he proves otherwise, he is basically Nic Petan. :)
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Top 10 in the league in CF% (top on the Jets) Top 10 in the league in Fenwick% (top on the Jets), Top 10 in the league in xGF% (tops on the Jets) amongst top in the league in PTs/60.

His hockey IQ and decision making is off the charts, positioning and defensive play is very good and wins more than his fair share of puck battles. His stick skills are elite. Shot is average.

Where he struggles right now are in faceoffs. Also, his speed is still below NHL average and his overall strength but those are improving and will continue to as he gets older.

Where I think some people "don't see it" is because he is a cerebral player and sits back and reads the play as opposed to flying around being hard on the forecheck etc where people notice a big fast guy. But that is him using his brain to be successful.

Anyways respect your opinion, but I think if you watch the little things he does more, you will come to appreciate it more over time.
 
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jungles said:
I am repeating myself, but I still don't see it with Cole. He is a great passer with great vision, but I don't feel like he does anything else particularly well. Until he proves otherwise, he is basically Nic Petan. :)
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Petan 164 gp ... 7-26 for 33 points
Perfetti 77 gp ... 11-30 for 41 points
Perfetti has 24% more points in just 45% of the games.
 
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Mortimer Snerd said:
So ........ how would he (or you) have 'handled' EK9? :naughty:

Pretty much all NHL players were the best players on their teams as kids. They may have moved down the ladder a bit as they moved to higher levels of competition but every NHL team is going to have a lot of competing alpha males. It must be a bit like herding cats except that the cats are all angry when the other cats don't follow them.:laugh:
Then there are the coaches who are sometimes the most alpha of the alpha males.


Real cats don't care whether anybody follows them or not. They are just interested in themselves. Kane was more of a real cat, I think. No leadership in him at all.
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E. Kane was (is) someone who wanted/needed his ego stroked constantly and has the maturity level of a teenager, problem is other professional athletes won't stroke his ego for him so he did the next best thing in his mind and made himself constantly the centre of attention. IMO at least a coach can only hold this together for so long before there is a breaking point. As we witnessed first hand first hand with the track suit incident. The biggest problem for coaches with E. Kane is he actually has talent and can help the team on the ice if his antics can be managed.
 
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KingBogo said:
E. Kane was (is) someone who wanted/needed his ego stroked constantly and has the maturity level of a teenager, problem is other professional athletes won't stroke his ego for him so he did the next best thing in his mind and made himself constantly the centre of attention. IMO at least a coach can only hold this together for so long before there is a breaking point. As we witnessed first hand first hand with the track suit incident. The biggest problem for coaches with E. Kane is he actually has talent and can help the team on the ice if his antics can be managed.
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The same problems have followed him everywhere he's gone. He lasts a few years in each market before he starts becoming a distraction that the room turn on.
 
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surixon said:
Perfetti also is excellent defensively and tilts the ice. Both things Petan didn't do.
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I've been following along on the Perfetti discussion and I'd like to see him moved back with Scheifele and let them each take their strong side draws. Scheifele makes for a good triggerman, but also has the play making chops to give Perfetti his looks. Put them with a puck chaser like Iafallo and I think you have a very formidable line. Side benefit is this would also bring up Perfetti's minutes. I'd also put Cole on the #1 PP instead of Ehlers.
 
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NA Hockey said:
Top 10 in the league in CF% (top on the Jets) Top 10 in the league in Fenwick% (top on the Jets), Top 10 in the league in xGF% (tops on the Jets) amongst top in the league in PTs/60.

His hockey IQ and decision making is off the charts, positioning and defensive play is very good and wins more than his fair share of puck battles. His stick skills are elite. Shot is average.

Where he struggles right now are in faceoffs. Also, his speed is still below NHL average and his overall strength but those are improving and will continue to as he gets older.

Where I think some people "don't see it" is because he is a cerebral player and sits back and reads the play as opposed to flying around being hard on the forecheck etc where people notice a big fast guy. But that is him using his brain to be successful.

Anyways respect your opinion, but I think if you watch the little things he does more, you will come to appreciate it more over time.
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Very well said. He's not as flashy as some offensive skilled players that always look like they are doing something out there. He excels based on reading and reaching to the play at a level above most on the ice. With him you need to pay just as much attention to what doesn't happen while he's on the ice to what does.

He's developing just fine and imo is already a fist line talent. He just needs a consistent amount of minutes for overall point totals to match.

KingBogo said:
I've been following along on the Perfetti discussion and I'd like to see him moved back with Scheifele and let them each take their strong side draws. Scheifele makes for a good triggerman, but also has the play making chops to give Perfetti his looks. Put them with a puck chaser like Iafallo and I think you have a very formidable line. Side benefit is this would also bring up Perfetti's minutes. I'd also put Cole on the #1 PP instead of Ehlers.
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I'd be fine with that as he'd tilt the ice for Mark and they would spend less time in their end.

Not sure if Conner, Name and Eheles would work but I'd give it a try.
 
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Buffdog said:
Maybe it's not necessary if you have that level of talent, but I don't think that's what hebwas referring to

Think more along thr lines of the St Louis Blues the year they won the cup
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I'm not sure what means.

I want a Bomber philosophy where the leaders know what it takes to win and you can FIFO. You don't see a player on that team who would dare shit talk Oshea. I'm hoping that is gone from the Jets when Wheeler left.
 
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KingBogo said:
I've been following along on the Perfetti discussion and I'd like to see him moved back with Scheifele and let them each take their strong side draws. Scheifele makes for a good triggerman, but also has the play making chops to give Perfetti his looks. Put them with a puck chaser like Iafallo and I think you have a very formidable line. Side benefit is this would also bring up Perfetti's minutes. I'd also put Cole on the #1 PP instead of Ehlers.
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Agree with this, just posted something similar. It would bring up Perfetti's minutes too and he can learn a lot from Schief.

Guessing Schief is the one who wanted Connor on his line, but he might be satisfied with a mentorship role and I think him and Perfetti would have chemistry.
 
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KingBogo said:
E. Kane was (is) someone who wanted/needed his ego stroked constantly and has the maturity level of a teenager, problem is other professional athletes won't stroke his ego for him so he did the next best thing in his mind and made himself constantly the centre of attention. IMO at least a coach can only hold this together for so long before there is a breaking point. As we witnessed first hand first hand with the track suit incident. The biggest problem for coaches with E. Kane is he actually has talent and can help the team on the ice if his antics can be managed.
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Yup. That's him. He has sometimes been OK on a team for a while, but eventually he wears out his welcome everywhere.

Oil signed him to a cheap contract after SJS terminated his contract. He behaved reasonably well and contributed on ice so they signed him to a 4x5.125 contract. Now he is contributing very little and the behaviour problems are starting. Big surprise. He won't finish that contract in Edm. You did NOT hear it here first. :laugh:
 
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NA Hockey said:
Top 10 in the league in CF% (top on the Jets) Top 10 in the league in Fenwick% (top on the Jets), Top 10 in the league in xGF% (tops on the Jets) amongst top in the league in PTs/60.

His hockey IQ and decision making is off the charts, positioning and defensive play is very good and wins more than his fair share of puck battles. His stick skills are elite. Shot is average.

Where he struggles right now are in faceoffs. Also, his speed is still below NHL average and his overall strength but those are improving and will continue to as he gets older.

Where I think some people "don't see it" is because he is a cerebral player and sits back and reads the play as opposed to flying around being hard on the forecheck etc where people notice a big fast guy. But that is him using his brain to be successful.

Anyways respect your opinion, but I think if you watch the little things he does more, you will come to appreciate it more over time.
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Thanks for posting that. Bodes well.

Still think he needs a sniper on his line: Connor or Vilardi. In future it could v well be McGroarty.
 
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10Ducky10 said:
Petan 164 gp ... 7-26 for 33 points
Perfetti 77 gp ... 11-30 for 41 points
Perfetti has 24% more points in just 45% of the games.
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surixon said:
Perfetti also is excellent defensively and tilts the ice. Both things Petan didn't do.
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KingBogo said:
I've been following along on the Perfetti discussion and I'd like to see him moved back with Scheifele and let them each take their strong side draws. Scheifele makes for a good triggerman, but also has the play making chops to give Perfetti his looks. Put them with a puck chaser like Iafallo and I think you have a very formidable line. Side benefit is this would also bring up Perfetti's minutes. I'd also put Cole on the #1 PP instead of Ehlers.
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Not sure I agree or disagree with this, but it would be interesting to try and it would break up the KFC/Scheifele marriage.
 
If he is so elite defensively why does he get benched at the end of games and in overtime?
 
jungles said:
If he is so elite defensively why does he get benched at the end of games and in overtime?
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Because our coach's would rather ignore data and defer to vets at important minutes of games. Not all that different then a good many coaches in the league. Our coaches are doing the same thing with Snerg, opting to play the vets (Dillon, Pionk, JoMo, DeMelo) at the end of games over him. I doubt anyone would argue that Snerg isn't very good defensively but that doesn't seem to matter. Coaches overemphasize experience

Heck Maurice did the same thing with Conner, Scheifele, Ehlers and JoMo etc when they broke into the league. Now all those players are experienced and play in those situations even if cough Connor cough shouldn't be deployed defending a lead. Once Cole is more tenured he'll also be deployed in those situations.
 
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