Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[surixon]

Everyone wants to earn more, but I’m guessing that Perfetti will almost certainly get a bridge deal following this season. It makes sense from his position as he will unlikely have the body of work for the long term contract he would want. Also from the team’s standpoint they would want him on a lower salary to afford to keep more vets around for the first couple years of Helly and Scheifele’s deals.

Yeah he's likely getting the Vilardi or slightly better deal.

 

[Flair Hay]

And we as fans have no idea how this is communicated within the team, as us fans are pretty much kept in the dark on any inner workings and can only speculate on things.

At the heart of it, it's really a morale issue I guess? Same dynamic as if this stuff happened at a business. Every situation is different, do you know what I'm getting at though?

It's definitely not just a Winnipeg Jets issue. But if a higher performing employee is taking a back seat to a more experienced, slightly lesser performing employee... that is not ideal for performance of the business, or either employee.

Not pretending I know the inner working of the club, just offering that this situation is not unique to the Jets or hockey, but it is an area for improvement

 

[Flair Hay]

Having Overcharge as his agent is a concern. Having someone whispering in your ear that you should be treated better and your career is not on the arc that it should be will take a toll.

If Overcharge is getting involved with Cole's situation, it is because Cole wants him to get involved. Just like with Trouba.

If he is fine taking his time, the agent isn't bulldozing his way into the Jets business to advocate for Perfetti unless Cole wants him to.

If Friedman is speaking about it, it's because Cole himself isn't happy. In my opinion.

 

[Flair Hay]

I also don't think we need to shoehorn Cole into 2nd line center role. If it makes more sense to have Namestnikov at C while Vilardi is out then keep doing that.

Developing some versatility is not a bad thing. Lots of great centers spend time on the wing for spurts if the coach thinks it makes sense.

It's cutting his ice time late in games I don't agree with, not the position switch

 

[NA Hockey]

Yeah he's likely getting the Vilardi or slightly better deal.

Villardi got his contract coming off his draft +6 season with 41 points in 63 games. He has a career .51 ppg.

If Perfetti puts up 50+ points at a much younger age I would think his bridge would be significantly higher than Gabe's. I think it looks closer to Zegars's bridge than Gabe's, but it all depends on health and production the rest of the year.

I wouldn't rule out a long term deal (similar to KC's) either, again if he is healthy and productive. This team likes to sign young stars to long term deals and get that stability and Cole seems to like Winnipeg.

 

[surixon]

Villardi got his contract coming off his draft +6 season with 41 points in 63 games. He has a career .51 ppg.

If Perfetti puts up 50+ points at a much younger age I would think his bridge would be significantly higher than Gabe's. I think it looks closer to Zegars's bridge than Gabe's, but it all depends on health and production the rest of the year.

I wouldn't rule out a long term deal (similar to KC's) either, again if he is healthy and productive. This team likes to sign young stars to long term deals and get that stability and Cole seems to like Winnipeg.

Yeah, good point on Zegras. You are right that they like to sign there kids to long term deals. Cole would have to be open to that and I think that only happens if his usage improves and he puts up 60 points ala KFC.

 

[NA Hockey]

I also don't think we need to shoehorn Cole into 2nd line center role. If it makes more sense to have Namestnikov at C while Vilardi is out then keep doing that.

Developing some versatility is not a bad thing. Lots of great centers spend time on the wing for spurts if the coach thinks it makes sense.

It's cutting his ice time late in games I don't agree with, not the position switch

Agreed, as part of a win now, and a long term development plan, playing wing for a while is toyally fine, but in no way his having him play 10 mins better for the team to win now or for the future.

 

[Bob E]

I wonder if Lambert’s fast start in the A factors into which position Cole plays this season? Apples and oranges, and different leagues, but IF Lambert continues to develop well in the AHL, there’s less pressure to develop Cole for the 2C role.

Lots of unknowns, and factors, but more options is always good.

 

[Jet]

Managing personalities. Jesus f***ing christ.

You might want to read up on sports psychology.

Like it or not, you have 23 humans on a hockey team, all with their own personalities and egos.

Having a tight knit group that are all pulling hard on the rope in the same direction is critical for success.

That's part of the reason lesser teams win and better teams lose. It's a combination of talent, systems and managing the psyches of the players.

 

[BoneDocUK]

More ink for the PEN line!

 

[DRW204]

If Overcharge is getting involved with Cole's situation, it is because Cole wants him to get involved. Just like with Trouba.

If he is fine taking his time, the agent isn't bulldozing his way into the Jets business to advocate for Perfetti unless Cole wants him to.

If Friedman is speaking about it, it's because Cole himself isn't happy. In my opinion.

They didn't come across as they new exactly what the relationship or situation was. moreso just explaining they hope there's communication from the team to player/agent that this is the plan/role for you, and how you can change that or gain more ice time etc.

 

[KingBogo]

You might want to read up on sports psychology.

Like it or not, you have 23 humans on a hockey team, all with their own personalities and egos.

Having a tight knit group that are all pulling hard on the rope in the same direction is critical for success.

That's part of the reason lesser teams win and better teams lose. It's a combination of talent, systems and managing the psyches of the players.

On a bit of an aside, a little over a decade ago when I was first hired into a senior management position, the CEO at the time suggested I work with a leadership coach in terms of my staff development in the role. It turned out to be a great decision. While working with the guy it became clear I was a huge hockey fan, so he shared that he had been contracted by a couple NHL teams to work with their coaching staff (he didn't share what teams but not the Jets). According to him the X's and O's were the easy part for these guys as they had spent their lives in and around the game. The more difficult part of their jobs was managing the competing personalities of the players in the room. At the time it was early in the Jets 2.0 era, and he used E. Kane a couple times as a case study on how you might manage a very difficult personality. Very interesting part of my career.

 

[JetsFan815]

If Friedman is speaking about it, it's because Cole himself isn't happy. In my opinion.

Yep. I was shocked to see Friedman comment about a 2nd year player playing 3 line mins on a mid table team in an unsexy market like Winnipeg. Someone important obviously urged Marek/Friedman to comment on it.

I really hope the Jets don't burn another player relationship. Not saying he should be gifted top minutes and top PP time but his play should dictate his ice time which means at the bare minimum those late 3rd period benchings have got to stop.

 

[NA Hockey]

Yep. I was shocked to see Friedman comment about a 2nd year player playing 3 line mins on a mid table team in an unsexy market like Winnipeg. Someone important obviously urged Marek/Friedman to comment on it.

I really hope the Jets don't burn another player relationship. Not saying he should be gifted top minutes and top PP time but his play should dictate his ice time which means at the bare minimum those late 3rd period benchings have got to stop.

To be fair at the beginning of the season on HNIC, Friedman picked Perfetti as his breakout player in the NHL for the coming season. He was obviously aware of him and what he could do. He likely has been keeping his eye on him through the first 7 games and noticed he’s been playing very well and been productive but not getting much ice. I think it’s been pretty noticeable to most hockey people that the ice time doesn’t match the play or underlying statistics.

Add: Also last Saturday night after the game on the HNIC panel, Bieksa/Friedman et al were openly asking if Cole was hurt in the last 7 minutes because they couldn't understand after the way he had played why he didn't get ice to finish out the game. So Friedman has obviously been checking in on the situation since.

 

[TS Quint]

You might want to read up on sports psychology.

Like it or not, you have 23 humans on a hockey team, all with their own personalities and egos.

Having a tight knit group that are all pulling hard on the rope in the same direction is critical for success.

That's part of the reason lesser teams win and better teams lose. It's a combination of talent, systems and managing the psyches of the players.

Tight knit groups are not necessary. See Malkin/Kessel, coaches like Hitchcock and Bowman, Micheal Jordan, Kobe/Shaq, or watch the 30 for 30 I Hate Christian Laettner.

Accountability and the goal to win is what's necessary.

 

[JetsFan815]

Perfetti with 16.5 mins of icetime tonight... looks like bitching to Friedman if that was what happened, worked

 

[Heldig]

Perfetti with 16.5 mins of icetime tonight... looks like bitching to Friedman if that was happened, worked

Now give him a sniper to pass to (Connor).

 

[Frank Cannon PI]

Now give him a sniper to pass to (Connor).

It'll be very interesting when it does (inevitably) happen. Perfetti played with Connor and PLD, but with his being shifted to C now, I've been kind of anxious to see them test that scenario out. They'd both be benefitting; racking up numbers.

 

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[GeorgeJETson]

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[jungles]

I am repeating myself, but I still don't see it with Cole. He is a great passer with great vision, but I don't feel like he does anything else particularly well. Until he proves otherwise, he is basically Nic Petan.

 

[Buffdog]

Tight knit groups are not necessary. See Malkin/Kessel, coaches like Hitchcock and Bowman, Micheal Jordan, Kobe/Shaq, or watch the 30 for 30 I Hate Christian Laettner.

Accountability and the goal to win is what's necessary.

Maybe it's not necessary if you have that level of talent, but I don't think that's what hebwas referring to

Think more along thr lines of the St Louis Blues the year they won the cup

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

On a bit of an aside, a little over a decade ago when I was first hired into a senior management position, the CEO at the time suggested I work with a leadership coach in terms of my staff development in the role. It turned out to be a great decision. While working with the guy it became clear I was a huge hockey fan, so he shared that he had been contracted by a couple NHL teams to work with their coaching staff (he didn't share what teams but not the Jets). According to him the X's and O's were the easy part for these guys as they had spent their lives in and around the game. The more difficult part of their jobs was managing the competing personalities of the players in the room. At the time it was early in the Jets 2.0 era, and he used E. Kane a couple times as a case study on how you might manage a very difficult personality. Very interesting part of my career.

So ........ how would he (or you) have 'handled' EK9?

Pretty much all NHL players were the best players on their teams as kids. They may have moved down the ladder a bit as they moved to higher levels of competition but every NHL team is going to have a lot of competing alpha males. It must be a bit like herding cats except that the cats are all angry when the other cats don't follow them.
Then there are the coaches who are sometimes the most alpha of the alpha males.


Real cats don't care whether anybody follows them or not. They are just interested in themselves. Kane was more of a real cat, I think. No leadership in him at all.

 

[Jet]

Maybe it's not necessary if you have that level of talent, but I don't think that's what hebwas referring to

Think more along thr lines of the St Louis Blues the year they won the cup

There is more than one way to skin a cat for sure but people being dismissive about the need to manage people and the complex psychological ecosystem of a hockey team are missing a huge component.

There's skill, systems and the team and player psyche. They are all extremely important. You can win without having all 3 locked down, but I'd say the 3rd might be the most important, and it's the one I think that's hampered the Jets since 17-18.

It presents in a number of ways, like players not being ready for games, going absent for stretches, collapsing and giving up leads, wilting when things get tough. All that sounds pretty familiar doesn't it?

Maurice couldn't get a decently talented team to consistently play the way he wanted. Of course his systems weren't perfect but they worked pretty damned well when we were a 'pack of wolves'

It's really hard to force an identity on a team. You can coach to it and reinforce it, but at the end of the day you need strong willed players who are bought in and committed fully to the team.