Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

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Keeping them in the minors long after they are ready is what I mean by over-ripening. I think they become discouraged, resentful and slip into bad habits eventually.

When they are "ready", really ready, they need to be given their chance. They should not have to wait for an injury.

Yep. Not every player needs to finish out a junior career and then toil in the AHL to “season” before they are ready for the show. And players do not stop developing in the NHL — good, smart players who can be trusted with the basics learn on the job, and should be challenged at the highest level they are capable of handling well.

Part of he problem with the Jets has been the rigid division of lines into scoring, checking, and energy, leaving just 6 slots open for “skill” players, with vets in Stats and Wheeler locked into two of them, and four of the team’s best younger players rightfully taking up the other 4. That leaves a spot on the Lowry line and maybe one or two more on the 4th, where the tie always has and always will go to the vet — whoever he has, and however well he plays.

I don’t see a big problem in Perfetti starting the year in the AHL, and maybe being released to play at the WJHC, but he’s already so good and so quick off the mark that I doubt he will have many challenges there by mid-season. If he’s capable of out-playing someone on the Jets, why should he sit in the A?

Heinola offers a different challenge. He’s a very competitive kid who, I suspect, knows just how good he is, and will not relish spending another year dominating the A, so maybe he slots in with an injury — Samberg stays where he is, IMO.

The point is that players who are ready aren’t necessarily going to benefit from playing at a level or 2 below their capabilities, so they can be viewed as “having earned it.” And there’s no hard and fast rule that I know of about what age a player is most likely to help their team. As a friend of mine said the other day: “Who would you rather have on your team — 18-20 or 21-23 YO Patrik Laine?”
 

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Yep. Not every player needs to finish out a junior career and then toil in the AHL to “season” before they are ready for the show. And players do not stop developing in the NHL — good, smart players who can be trusted with the basics learn on the job, and should be challenged at the highest level they are capable of handling well.

Part of he problem with the Jets has been the rigid division of lines into scoring, checking, and energy, leaving just 6 slots open for “skill” players, with vets in Stats and Wheeler locked into two of them, and four of the team’s best younger players rightfully taking up the other 4. That leaves a spot on the Lowry line and maybe one or two more on the 4th, where the tie always has and always will go to the vet — whoever he has, and however well he plays.

I don’t see a big problem in Perfetti starting the year in the AHL, and maybe being released to play at the WJHC, but he’s already so good and so quick off the mark that I doubt he will have many challenges there by mid-season. If he’s capable of out-playing someone on the Jets, why should he sit in the A?

Heinola offers a different challenge. He’s a very competitive kid who, I suspect, knows just how good he is, and will not relish spending another year dominating the A, so maybe he slots in with an injury — Samberg stays where he is, IMO.

The point is that players who are ready aren’t necessarily going to benefit from playing at a level or 2 below their capabilities, so they can be viewed as “having earned it.” And there’s no hard and fast rule that I know of about what age a player is most likely to help their team. As a friend of mine said the other day: “Who would you rather have on your team — 18-20 or 21-23 YO Patrik Laine?”

I've already posted a prediction that Perfetti starts in the A, goes to the WJC and moves up to the Jets as soon as the Jet lag wears off - and sticks.

So, not making it out of TC, but full time NHL in early/mid January and never looking back.
 

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Yep. Not every player needs to finish out a junior career and then toil in the AHL to “season” before they are ready for the show. And players do not stop developing in the NHL — good, smart players who can be trusted with the basics learn on the job, and should be challenged at the highest level they are capable of handling well.

Part of he problem with the Jets has been the rigid division of lines into scoring, checking, and energy, leaving just 6 slots open for “skill” players, with vets in Stats and Wheeler locked into two of them, and four of the team’s best younger players rightfully taking up the other 4. That leaves a spot on the Lowry line and maybe one or two more on the 4th, where the tie always has and always will go to the vet — whoever he has, and however well he plays.

I don’t see a big problem in Perfetti starting the year in the AHL, and maybe being released to play at the WJHC, but he’s already so good and so quick off the mark that I doubt he will have many challenges there by mid-season. If he’s capable of out-playing someone on the Jets, why should he sit in the A?

Heinola offers a different challenge. He’s a very competitive kid who, I suspect, knows just how good he is, and will not relish spending another year dominating the A, so maybe he slots in with an injury — Samberg stays where he is, IMO.

The point is that players who are ready aren’t necessarily going to benefit from playing at a level or 2 below their capabilities, so they can be viewed as “having earned it.” And there’s no hard and fast rule that I know of about what age a player is most likely to help their team. As a friend of mine said the other day: “Who would you rather have on your team — 18-20 or 21-23 YO Patrik Laine?”

What a great post :thumbu: :thumbu: The 2 bolded thoughts get right to the heart of this entire discussion re moving young talent up to the big club.
 

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To start the season contract status, waiver eligibility and NHL experience all likely trump Cole's skill and "readiness" to play in the NHL. I'm sure there will continue to be a consideration to sliding his ELC as that will be a big thing down the road. But I also think that injuries are likely to happen and a strong showing at the WJC would go a long way to seeing him promoted.

Anything could happen but I'd rate the following 3 scenarios as most like in order:

1) Strong AHL and WJC showing, some level of contribution to the Jets in the 2nd half.

2) Plays most or all of the season in the AHL / WJC and only plays enough NHL to keep his contract from kicking in.

3) Shocks everyone out of TC and makes the team or is an early season injury call up that sticks in the NHL.

I don't want to rush him and I don't want to hold him back.
I'll leave that up to people far better informed then me to decide.
 

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Yep. Not every player needs to finish out a junior career and then toil in the AHL to “season” before they are ready for the show. And players do not stop developing in the NHL — good, smart players who can be trusted with the basics learn on the job, and should be challenged at the highest level they are capable of handling well.

Part of he problem with the Jets has been the rigid division of lines into scoring, checking, and energy, leaving just 6 slots open for “skill” players, with vets in Stats and Wheeler locked into two of them, and four of the team’s best younger players rightfully taking up the other 4. That leaves a spot on the Lowry line and maybe one or two more on the 4th, where the tie always has and always will go to the vet — whoever he has, and however well he plays.

I don’t see a big problem in Perfetti starting the year in the AHL, and maybe being released to play at the WJHC, but he’s already so good and so quick off the mark that I doubt he will have many challenges there by mid-season. If he’s capable of out-playing someone on the Jets, why should he sit in the A?

Heinola offers a different challenge. He’s a very competitive kid who, I suspect, knows just how good he is, and will not relish spending another year dominating the A, so maybe he slots in with an injury — Samberg stays where he is, IMO.

The point is that players who are ready aren’t necessarily going to benefit from playing at a level or 2 below their capabilities, so they can be viewed as “having earned it.” And there’s no hard and fast rule that I know of about what age a player is most likely to help their team. As a friend of mine said the other day: “Who would you rather have on your team — 18-20 or 21-23 YO Patrik Laine?”


Lots of good points -
The Jets do have a lineup based on scoring, checking and energy - but some of that comes from what they have had to work with.
I can see this changing with the addition of Cole and the recently drafted offensive players and our much improved prospect pool on D.
I don't see it as a "system" but more to do with the players available - and I can see a shift taking place on the third line soon. I see less immediate opportunity for our D prospects.

You're right that Wheels blocks a spot in the top 6 - but I can see this going away at some point not too far down the road.
I see Stast's being a depth player that was signed due his ability to ride up and down the line up.
If we have a winger / center ready to move in, I can see him moving to accommodate.

The Jets will work with the young guys via the Moose - that is where they will receive the most attention if not the highest competition while on the ice. This is a good model IMO and best prepares the young guys (regardless of talent) for the NHL game.
IMO, you will benefit playing on the Moose regardless - assuming they are teaching and preparing these guys for a higher level - and there's no reason to believe other wise.
I don't believe our guys are toiling in the A.

The final hurdle with our up and coming guys is our depth - and now you can add our D to that situation.
That leaves the real issue wide open for debate - our forth line needs to be more than an energy line because that is the where we should be introducing the kids in the line up and not at 6 minutes a night or as an energy only line.

This is where I can see things changing - and it comes down to who you have on the sidelines that needs exposure - we have more of that now than we have in a while (and I'm referring to higher end talent) - and - we have fewer vets ready to be plugged in. This would lead me to believe the young will get opportunities and the 4th line structure will change.

Nice post - lots of solid insight
 
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Our very own Goal Peretti makes the Top 5 of Scott Wheeler's 50 best NHL prospects under 23 -- making the list at only 19 YO, after a year of very impressive achievements:

NHL top 50 prospects, 2021 edition: Byfield, Caufield and Power headline Wheeler’s drafted skaters ranking

5. Cole Perfetti, C/LW, 19 (Winnipeg Jets — 10th overall, 2020)
Loyal readers will know that I think the world of Perfetti as a player and person. The only knock on Perfetti in terms of his ability to reach his upside has always been his average(ish) athleticism in terms of his strength and skating. But I believe as strongly today as I did when the Jets drafted him that the skating isn’t going to be an issue because of the way he problem solves and anticipates out there, both of which grade among the best outside the NHL. Perfetti’s ability to adjust to the play in front of him, whether that’s shaping a shot around a stick, bending a pass through a seam, navigating into or away from pressure for an intended purpose or just reading and reacting to quickly execute a difficult play, should make him a multidimensional, offensive winger who is equal parts scorer and playmaker.
 
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Yep. Not every player needs to finish out a junior career and then toil in the AHL to “season” before they are ready for the show. And players do not stop developing in the NHL — good, smart players who can be trusted with the basics learn on the job, and should be challenged at the highest level they are capable of handling well.

Part of he problem with the Jets has been the rigid division of lines into scoring, checking, and energy, leaving just 6 slots open for “skill” players, with vets in Stats and Wheeler locked into two of them, and four of the team’s best younger players rightfully taking up the other 4. That leaves a spot on the Lowry line and maybe one or two more on the 4th, where the tie always has and always will go to the vet — whoever he has, and however well he plays.

I don’t see a big problem in Perfetti starting the year in the AHL, and maybe being released to play at the WJHC, but he’s already so good and so quick off the mark that I doubt he will have many challenges there by mid-season. If he’s capable of out-playing someone on the Jets, why should he sit in the A?

Heinola offers a different challenge. He’s a very competitive kid who, I suspect, knows just how good he is, and will not relish spending another year dominating the A, so maybe he slots in with an injury — Samberg stays where he is, IMO.

The point is that players who are ready aren’t necessarily going to benefit from playing at a level or 2 below their capabilities, so they can be viewed as “having earned it.” And there’s no hard and fast rule that I know of about what age a player is most likely to help their team. As a friend of mine said the other day: “Who would you rather have on your team — 18-20 or 21-23 YO Patrik Laine?”

Let's keep in mind that Perfetti, as well as other CHL players from his draft class & the year prior, were provided a unique opportunity to play in the AHL last season due to the pandemic wiping out the junior hockey schedule.

Perfetti playing in the AHL is a rare opportunity, not a slight against his game. We should all be very happy he will once again get that chance this season.
 

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Perfetti was good in the AHL last season, but it's a stretch to say he "dominated" the AHL. He still has room to develop at the AHL level in terms of strength and speed and developing techniques for how to succeed against big, fast pros.

Given who we have now inked upfront there isn't room for him barring injuries. I expect he'll get into some NHL games but play most of the season in the AHL.

I suspect he may play the first game with Mark suspended in a top 6 role to give him a taste and show him what level he needs to be at and then send him down to work on it in the AHL.
 
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I want to be excited, but he's just going to get like 10-14mins TOI and that's it.

Afterwards, straight to The Moose.
 
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Given who we have now inked upfront there isn't room for him barring injuries. I expect he'll get into some NHL games but play most of the season in the AHL.

I suspect he may play the first game with Mark suspended in a top 6 role to give him a taste and show him what level he needs to be at and then send him down to work on it in the AHL.

They've known for half a year Scheifele was missing game one. Rather than play Perfetti in the top 6 during camp and preseason, they promoted Stastny back into the top 6.

Further these were todays lines & pairings from practice:

Connor-Stastny-Wheeler
Copp-Dubois-Ehlers
Harkins-Lowry-Perfetti
Vesalainen-Nash-Svechnikov

Morrissey-Schmidt
Dillon-Pionk
Stanley-DeMelo

Heinola-Beaulieu

We did however see Perfetti plays some PP during camp. He's possibly provided that opportunity tomorrow.
 

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They've known for half a year Scheifele was missing game one. Rather than play Perfetti in the top 6 during camp and preseason, they promoted Stastny back into the top 6.

Further these were todays lines & pairings from practice:

Connor-Stastny-Wheeler
Copp-Dubois-Ehlers
Harkins-Lowry-Perfetti
Vesalainen-Nash-Svechnikov

Morrissey-Schmidt
Dillon-Pionk
Stanley-DeMelo

Heinola-Beaulieu

We did however see Perfetti plays some PP during camp. He's possibly provided that opportunity tomorrow.

Yeah, should have known Moe would use a vet in that spot.

Seems Cole forced his way into the lineup in another position and we shall see how long he keeps it.
 

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what's wrong with that? he's 19 years old, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

I would very much like to have is 27 year old season instead of his 19 year old season if I ended up only being able to have 1 of them. I'm so pumped he's going to play because I honestly didn't think he was going to. Will make staying up late extra worth it!
 

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Yeah, should have known Moe would use a vet in that spot.

Seems Cole forced his way into the lineup in another position and we shall see how long he keeps it.
I think playing wing with Lowry is nice little sheltering for his first game. Do you really want him playing first line center on the road with 2 wings that are not defensive minded? Safe is probably best at this point especially if he gets a little PP time.
 
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I think playing wing with Lowry is nice little sheltering for his first game. Do you really want him playing first line center on the road with 2 wings that are not defensive minded? Safe is probably best at this point especially if he gets a little PP time.

I wouldn't be using Wheeler/Conner/Perfetti as a first line. I would be using the PLD and Lowry lines as the marchup lines and giving the makeshift top 6 line the soft matchups.

I am fine with him playing with Lowry to learn some of the off the puck positioning and play but I question if there will be anyone on that line to take advantage of his creativity.
 
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I wouldn't be using Wheeler/Conner/Perfetti as a first line. I would be using the PLD and Lowry lines as the marchup lines and giving the makeshift top 6 line the soft matchups.

I am fine with him playing with Lowry to learn some of the off the puck positioning and play but I question if there will be anyone on that line to take advantage of his creativity.

But they are on the road, so do not get to dictate the matchups....
 
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