Confirmed Signing with Link: [COL] Tyson Barrie (4 years, $5.5M AAV)

[Goulet17]

I think it's 48 hours until we know whether it's going to an arb reward or a deal is reached.

Subparagraph 12.9(n)(i) on page 68 of the CBA:

Salary Arbitration Decision.

(i) Each salary arbitration decision must be issued by e-mail to each of the parties simultaneously within forty-eight (48) hours of the close of the hearing.

 

[Goulet17]

This is the relevant CBA article, page 68:

Salary Arbitration Decision.
(i) Each salary arbitration decision must be issued by e-mail to each of the parties simultaneously within forty-eight (48) hours of the close of the hearing.

There's a difference between deciding and announcing publicly.
Perhaps the Hoffman decision was communicated to the parties within 48 hours but not announced publicly.

Perhaps Ottawa waited for a portion of the subsequent 48 hours after the decision to determine if it wanted to exercise its "walk-away" option? It seems like the arbiter's decision for Hoffman would have leaked fairly quickly with the Canadian media.

 

[Super Cake]

Perhaps Ottawa waited for a portion of the subsequent 48 hours after the decision to determine if it wanted to exercise its "walk-away" option?

Hoffman was only awarded 2 million.

I think teams are only allowed to walk away if they awarded over 3.9 million?

I could be wrong about this though.

 

[Homesick]

no team should be bullied into overpaying. unfortunately there are whacked out GM's under pressure to build a winner who do it. In Barrie's case, if the Avs win the Arby, you can be Barrie's gone before he gets to UFA. If Barrie wins, he'll be gone this year so Colorado doesn't have to deal with qualifying him at over $6M next summer assuming they can't come to an agreement on a LT number over the next few months. I can guarantee some GM is sitting there with a $40M for 6 offer just waiting for Sakic to give the signal....

No player should be bullied into signing a lessor contract either. Just because a player is a "restricted" free agent doesn't mean he should make less than market value.
I think Barrie is absolutely worth 6 million per

 

[Goulet17]

Hoffman was only awarded 2 million.

I think teams are only allowed to walk away if they awarded over 3.9 million?

I could be wrong about this though.

CBA states $3.5 million, so you are correct, Ottawa had no walk-away option.

 

[Cypher]

No player should be bullied into signing a lessor contract either. Just because a player is a "restricted" free agent doesn't mean he should make less than market value.
I think Barrie is absolutely worth 6 million per

Only 16 dman make 6 million or more. Is Barrie a top 17 dman in the league? No. And most of those top 16 contracts, if not all, include some UFA years. Barrie wants 6 million for one RFA year.

 

[KreiderHouseRules*]

No player should be bullied into signing a lessor contract either. Just because a player is a "restricted" free agent doesn't mean he should make less than market value.
I think Barrie is absolutely worth 6 million per

He's not on the open market, thus the "market" is one team: Colorado.

So whatever Colorado is willing to pay him is his "market" value.

He hasn't earned the right to be on the open market yet. Comparing to UFAs isn't fair. It's like saying McDavid should get 10M a year. Of course he's worth that, but the team gets the benefit of owning his rights because they drafted him.

I think Barrie signs a 2 year deal for 4.5M per.

 

[dahrougem2]

No player should be bullied into signing a lessor contract either. Just because a player is a "restricted" free agent doesn't mean he should make less than market value.
I think Barrie is absolutely worth 6 million per

You are one of the select few then who think that, because 6M AAV absolutely is not market value for Tyson Barrie.

 

[Benji Frank]

No player should be bullied into signing a lessor contract either. Just because a player is a "restricted" free agent doesn't mean he should make less than market value.
I think Barrie is absolutely worth 6 million per

my point wasn't clear i guess.

a team can do what it wants. it should not for example sign barrie at $6M when it budgets for $5M. There are mechanisms in place via trade, walk away, whatever. But at the end of the day as soon as sakic plays that card there's going to be a GM willing to give the player what he wants and the Avs have to be cognizant of that when setting their budget for a player of Barrie's calibre.

 

[Avsblitzkrieg]

That's a silly attitude Newport represents a couple hundred players. They're not here to screw the Avs, they're here to maximize their clients money, if their clients are open to it.

I said it was a bit overboard. But I stand by what I said. I definitely do not select a new port player going forward. It has tarnished the avs image. If the avs ever do have the opportunity to select a can miss and they need to take a team to the cleaners.

 

[cobra427]

No player should be bullied into signing a lessor contract either. Just because a player is a "restricted" free agent doesn't mean he should make less than market value.
I think Barrie is absolutely worth 6 million per

Based on what? You have to remember the NHL has a three tiered salary structure, ELC/RFA/UFA. ELC's have very few rights. RFA's have a few rights but not much. Barrie's RFA contract will be compared to what other RFA's at this stage of their career command. Forget comparing him to what a UFA or pending UFA player will be paid. Barrie is not a UFA so he won't get UFA money.

 

[cgf]

You are one of the select few then who think that, because 6M AAV absolutely is not market value for Tyson Barrie.

On a long term deal that buys some UFA years, or on a short term RFA contract? Cause he is worth it on the former, if not the latter.

 

[AslanRH]

That's a silly attitude Newport represents a couple hundred players. They're not here to screw the Avs, they're here to maximize their clients money, if their clients are open to it.

It is somewhat valid if the player is likely to be a star. Granted, both ROR and Barrie were not seen that way when drafted, but I could see there being hesitation from the Avs with a mid-high 1st rounder with a high ceiling.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Hoffman was only awarded 2 million.

I think teams are only allowed to walk away if they awarded over 3.9 million?

I could be wrong about this though.

Do you remember if his hearing was on a Friday too?

 

[tigervixxxen]

No player should be bullied into signing a lessor contract either. Just because a player is a "restricted" free agent doesn't mean he should make less than market value.
I think Barrie is absolutely worth 6 million per

If he only wanted 6M for his UFA years I don't think there would have been an issue.

 

[Super Cake]

Do you remember if his hearing was on a Friday too?

It was on a Friday.

I think it took about 4 days before us Sens fans found out what Hoffman was awarded.

 

[tigervixxxen]

It was on a Friday.

I think it took about 4 days before us Sens fans found out what Hoffman was awarded.

Thanks, I think that's part of the delay too.

 

[Super Cake]

Thanks, I think that's part of the delay too.

Just found an article on it.

Hearing was held on Friday. The ruling was announced on Monday.

So i was wrong about it taking 4 days.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Just found an article on it.

Hearing was held on Friday. The ruling was announced on Monday.

So i was wrong about it taking 4 days.

Gotcha, it wouldn't surprise me if it took until tomorrow too.

 

[Super Cake]

Gotcha, it wouldn't surprise me if it took until tomorrow too.

The CBA does state that a decision must be reached within 48 hours, but i wonder if that is business hours.

Does the NHL consider Saturday and Sunday to be business hours?

 

[Jarey Curry]

The CBA does state that a decision must be reached within 48 hours, but i wonder if that is business hours.

Does the NHL consider Saturday and Sunday to be business hours?

48 hours period, otherwise they would not make appointments for fridays

 

[Homesick]

Only 16 dman make 6 million or more. Is Barrie a top 17 dman in the league? No. And most of those top 16 contracts, if not all, include some UFA years. Barrie wants 6 million for one RFA year.

How old are those contracts? of those coming up in the next year how many will be looking at big raises?
Players usually take less money for long term deals so I'm not sure what your point is.
No idea why the Avs managment and their fans can't see how valuable a 50 point RHD is in todays NHL.

 

[slobbergob]

How old are those contracts? of those coming up in the next year how many will be looking at big raises?
Players usually take less money for long term deals so I'm not sure what your point is.
No idea why the Avs managment and their fans can't see how valuable a 50 point RHD is in todays NHL.

Not when they're an RFA and you're buying some UFA years.

They do see how valuable it is. Doesn't mean you go and pay something like 7 million for it. Barrie elected arbitration, not the Avs. He wanted 6 million for one RFA year, anything longer and that price goes up.

 

[dahrougem2]

On a long term deal that buys some UFA years, or on a short term RFA contract? Cause he is worth it on the former, if not the latter.

On a long term deal of 5+ years, sure. But on a short-term 2 year deal? Absolutely not. It does nothing but make his next QO insanely high and gives Newport the ability to ask for 7+ next negotiation.

How old are those contracts? of those coming up in the next year how many will be looking at big raises?
Players usually take less money for long term deals so I'm not sure what your point is.
No idea why the Avs managment and their fans can't see how valuable a 50 point RHD is in todays NHL.

You don't really believe that, do you? That the Avs management and fans don't see how valuable he is? Why is it so difficult for you to understand that the reason this negotiation, or lack thereof, has gone down this path is because of the stubbornness of Newport as an agency and Tyson Barrie being willing to listen to them.

As I've stated earlier: Matt Duchene, Gabriel Landeskog, Semyon Varlamov, Erik Johnson, and Nathan MacKinnon were all signed to long-term contracts without so much as a blink of an eye, and were paid market value. So, explain, why is it so difficult for Tyson Barrie and Newport to be reasonable? The Avs are not going to pay him 6M+ on a short-term deal. They may pay him up to 6.25M AAV on a long-term deal (he will not be the Avs' highest paid player), but that would have to eat up significant UFA years. We're talking a 6-7 year contract here that the Avs would want him to sign.

You really think Newport would want that? If they are given a 6-7 year deal, they no doubt will be asking for 6.5M+ AAV, because they are an extremely unreasonable agency. They've shown this in the past. Whereas the Avalanche have, with proven contracts, shown that a reasonable negotiation can result in a long-term contract that is fair for both sides. Thus far, only the Avs are willing to dance in this negotiation.

 

[Homesick]

Not when they're an RFA and you're buying some UFA years.

They do see how valuable it is. Doesn't mean you go and pay something like 7 million for it. Barrie elected arbitration, not the Avs. He wanted 6 million for one RFA year, anything longer and that price goes up.

Barrie elected arbitration because he didn't feel they were anywhere close to a deal. So he wanted an independent voice(the opposite of yours) to make the decision.

So he took 4 years at 5.5 million