Confirmed Signing with Link: [COL] Tyson Barrie (4 years, $5.5M AAV)

[93LEAFS]

I wonder if Colorado will stop drafting players who are repped by Newport?

Probably not a viable option. Newport are some of the biggest players in the industry, you would be doing your team a disservice in the long-term. Say Avs win the lottery next year and the top prospect is repped by Newport? It would be insane to pass on a kid because of his agent. Plus, a kid you do draft could easily fire his agent and end up at Newport.

 

[Avsblitzkrieg]

Probably not a viable option. Newport are some of the biggest players in the industry, you would be doing your team a disservice in the long-term. Say Avs win the lottery next year and the top prospect is repped by Newport? It would be insane to pass on a kid because of his agent. Plus, a kid you do draft could easily fire his agent and end up at Newport.

DGAF, I hope the avs NEVER draft a newport client again. Honestly and truely I do t care if he is the next gretzky. Maybe a bit overboard. But as a fan I'm done with newport. They wanna burn the avs at every chance

 

[Avs44]

DGAF, I hope the avs NEVER draft a newport client again. Honestly and truely I do t care if he is the next gretzky. Maybe a bit overboard. But as a fan I'm done with newport. They wanna burn the avs at every chance

That's a silly attitude Newport represents a couple hundred players. They're not here to screw the Avs, they're here to maximize their clients money, if their clients are open to it.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

So basically, the Avs are going to lose their best young defenseman as a UFA. I don't understand this team's strategy.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Stastny was a good call not to re-sign, they couldn't afford it and he's not worth 7 million. O'Reilly signed a two year deal in the KHL under the old regime, signed a two year offer-sheet structured to create an ugly QO, went the brink of arbitration, then demanded 8 million from the team. The first screw up might be Barrie.

I agree on letting Statsny walk. At the time, I was like they should at least be able to get him at number that works within their cap. But when it came out for how much he was wanting, it was the right move to let him go.

Honestly you're probably a better team with Soderberg.

 

[bohlmeister]

So basically, the Avs are going to lose their best young defenseman as a UFA. I don't understand this team's strategy.

The strategy is to not overpay players because their agents try and strong arm deals that their players have not yet earned. Not sure what is so hard to understand. This isn't Nick Lidstrom. Avs locked EJ up long term because he is our #1 defenseman. Barrie plays behind him, is younger, and wants more money.

 

[EdAVSfan]

So basically, the Avs are going to lose their best young defenseman as a UFA. I don't understand this team's strategy.

Most likely because you don't understand the situation it seems.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

So basically, the Avs are going to lose their best young defenseman as a UFA. I don't understand this team's strategy.

You also appear to not understand how contracts work.

 

[tigervixxxen]

When the Avs signed MacKinnon a few weeks ago nobody even gave it two seconds of thought. There was nothing in the national news about it , no articles, nothing. That was the player that was critical to lock up, someone they didn't want to have trouble with. But he signed a great, team friendly deal quickly and with zero drama and not a single peep.

Avs can't avoid Newport entirely but it could break a tie between similar prospects. Not like certain agents in other sports aren't avoided (Boras, Rosenhaus). They won't be bullied into overpaying guys by an agency.

 

[AslanRH]

I'm not trying to start an argument, but that's the perception from the outside. Like I kinda get Statsny, but then ROR goes, and he wanted out bad. And now we've been hearing issues with Barrie for close to a year. It's crazy to me because the Avs need a player like him.

What issues are those?

There has been little talk of negotiations up until the Avs season ended. If you are hanging on to the Stauffer via Frei tidbit that was after as well, and not much of anything beyond media made drama.

 

[Cypher]

That this is true and one is FOUR YEARS younger should tell you why it's a laughable idea. Risto at 21 is a fine comparable to Barrie fully developed.

Barrie just turned 25 last week, and Risto turns 22 in Oct... more like 3 years

 

[AslanRH]

Before that happens, if Barrie wins the arbitration award, and the Avs were amenable to trading him, what are their needs?

Are they looking for anything specific to help them now, or are they interested in increasing their prospect depth, or both?

Of course depends on the team, but I would think if possible
1st choice: a hockey trade (example being a Tanev for Barrie type trade).
2nd: a near future based trade similar to ROR
3rd: further out future trade with a short 1-2 year term fill in on RD (someone akin to Klein of NYR)

 

[dahrougem2]

Any outsider who claims there have been "issues" between Barrie and the Avs for a year is simply spewing nonsense. Because it's not factual whatsoever and sounds like a direct report from Terry Frei himself

 

[Benji Frank]

When the Avs signed MacKinnon a few weeks ago nobody even gave it two seconds of thought. There was nothing in the national news about it , no articles, nothing. That was the player that was critical to lock up, someone they didn't want to have trouble with. But he signed a great, team friendly deal quickly and with zero drama and not a single peep.

Avs can't avoid Newport entirely but it could break a tie between similar prospects. Not like certain agents in other sports aren't avoided (Boras, Rosenhaus). They won't be bullied into overpaying guys by an agency.

no team should be bullied into overpaying. unfortunately there are whacked out GM's under pressure to build a winner who do it. In Barrie's case, if the Avs win the Arby, you can be Barrie's gone before he gets to UFA. If Barrie wins, he'll be gone this year so Colorado doesn't have to deal with qualifying him at over $6M next summer assuming they can't come to an agreement on a LT number over the next few months. I can guarantee some GM is sitting there with a $40M for 6 offer just waiting for Sakic to give the signal....

 

[Mad Brills*]

2 hours it should be happening.

 

[AslanRH]

no team should be bullied into overpaying. unfortunately there are whacked out GM's under pressure to build a winner who do it. In Barrie's case, if the Avs win the Arby, you can be Barrie's gone before he gets to UFA. If Barrie wins, he'll be gone this year so Colorado doesn't have to deal with qualifying him at over $6M next summer assuming they can't come to an agreement on a LT number over the next few months. I can guarantee some GM is sitting there with a $40M for 6 offer just waiting for Sakic to give the signal....

Thankfully we have 3 years to work through that

 

[Mr Positive]

no team should be bullied into overpaying. unfortunately there are whacked out GM's under pressure to build a winner who do it. In Barrie's case, if the Avs win the Arby, you can be Barrie's gone before he gets to UFA. If Barrie wins, he'll be gone this year so Colorado doesn't have to deal with qualifying him at over $6M next summer assuming they can't come to an agreement on a LT number over the next few months. I can guarantee some GM is sitting there with a $40M for 6 offer just waiting for Sakic to give the signal....

I don't think it's bullying into overpaying. Barrie obviously feels he's worth a certain amount and he's allowed to pursue it. There's a disagreement here, and that's what arbitration is for. For all we know, it's the team that's being greedy here. We don't know what their negotiations were really like, but it's obvious they seem quite far apart. Maybe they're both being greedy.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

no team should be bullied into overpaying. unfortunately there are whacked out GM's under pressure to build a winner who do it. In Barrie's case, if the Avs win the Arby, you can be Barrie's gone before he gets to UFA. If Barrie wins, he'll be gone this year so Colorado doesn't have to deal with qualifying him at over $6M next summer assuming they can't come to an agreement on a LT number over the next few months. I can guarantee some GM is sitting there with a $40M for 6 offer just waiting for Sakic to give the signal....

I looked back at arbitration awards since 2006, and I can find a single instance where the player was awarded 100% of their asking price, so I doubt Barrie gets the full $6m.

Also, the Avs opted for a two year award, so there is no chance they have to worry about qualifying Barrie next summer.

 

[Avsblitzkrieg]

I don't think it's bullying into overpaying. Barrie obviously feels he's worth a certain amount and he's allowed to pursue it. There's a disagreement here, and that's what arbitration is for. For all we know, it's the team that's being greedy here. We don't know what their negotiations were really like, but it's obvious they seem quite far apart. Maybe they're both being greedy.

having gone through it with ROR, and having done this before with this agency of course they may have went really low with their off. I don't blame them.

 

[Super Cake]

2 hours it should be happening.

It can take much longer than 48 hours to decide a case. Hoffman is an example of this. Took more than 48 hours for the arbitrator to decide.

So while we could hear a decision within the next hour or two, don't be surprised if you don't and it takes much longer for a decision to be reached.

 

[Goulet17]

It can take much longer than 48 hours to decide a case. Hoffman is an example of this. Took more than 48 hours for the arbitrator to decide.

It could, but if it does the arbiter is not in compliance with the CBA, which states that a decision "must" be rendered within 48 hours from the close of the hearing. Of course, the arbiter could provide a later decision, but it would be in the arbiter's best interest to obtain written consent from the parties.

Perhaps this is what happened in Hoffman's case?

 

[xbestboybandever]

having gone through it with ROR, and having done this before with this agency of course they may have went really low with their off. I don't blame them.

I think they went low, but I feel like the numbers that came out are very fair for what Barrie brings. Point totals aside, what makes Tyson an elite d-man?

 

[Avsblitzkrieg]

and each and everyone of them is going to find a new agent 'cuz newport is silly and playing every card available to them to ensure they're client is setup for life and their next generation is and the one after that and....

"Let's go with Billy down the street as your agent son, 'cuz i heard he'll advise you to sign whatever the Avs think is fair" said no player's parent ever.

If they play their cards right a million won't break tbem they'll never have to work again! It's flipping greedy. I have zero pity for them

 

[Mad Brills*]

I think it's 48 hours until we know whether it's going to an arb reward or a deal is reached.

 

[bryndogcanucks]

This is the relevant CBA article, page 68:

Salary Arbitration Decision.
(i) Each salary arbitration decision must be issued by e-mail to each of the parties simultaneously within forty-eight (48) hours of the close of the hearing.

There's a difference between deciding and announcing publicly.
Perhaps the Hoffman decision was communicated to the parties within 48 hours but not announced publicly.