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Confirmed Trade: [COL/NYR] Ryan Lindgren (50% retained), Jimmy Vesey, Hank Kempf, for Juuso Parssinen, Calvin de Haan, 2025 2nd round pick, 2025 4th round pick

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Avs44 said:
Not good for the Avs. Avs have two 2nds and two 4ths. Rangers get the higher pick at the end of the season on both of them.
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To be fair, the Avs haven't drafted a legit NHLer outside of the 1st round since 2009, so they were always going to have to trade these picks to get something useful out of them.

My only concern is whether this prevents them from trading the Carolina 2nd before the TDL.
 
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Hard to see the Avs as better after their trades so far. I could easily see them upsetting whoever in round 1 and even round 2, only to get spanked by the Jets in round 3.
 
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Avs44 said:
Not good for the Avs. Avs have two 2nds and two 4ths. Rangers get the higher pick at the end of the season on both of them.
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Eh, would have preferred it the other way around, having it be the lower of the two, but it works.

I think being lost in all of the value of the picks is the retained salary. Yes, in the grand scheme the cap space is probably meaningless to NYR this year -- but 2.25 million in retained cap space is probably worth a late 3rd round pick give or take?

Avs get a bottom two line winger, an upgrade on the bottom pair on D without giving anything off the everyday roster.

Trade basically is the Avs giving up a 3rd Round Pick (Parssinen), a 2nd Round Pick for Lindgren 50% retained and then a 4th for Vesey? (with a few other inconsequential bits in there). While not stellar value, its not terrible given how much D men and depth forwards go for typically at the deadline.
 
benfranklin said:
Hard to see the Avs as better after their trades so far. I could easily see them upsetting whoever in round 1 and even round 2, only to get spanked by the Jets in round 3.
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The Avs are 100% better in a playoff series with Lindgren, Necas, Drury, and Vesey while only really giving up Rantanen that was an every day player. Parssinen and de Haan were nothing for the Avs, and adding Drury took Parker Kelly where he belongs in the lineup.

Lindgren is also going to be better than de Haan and/or Middleton. Plus he seems like a much more logical choice to play with Malinski or possibly Manson.

Avs lacked depth. In trading Rantanen they for sure got 3 players who will play every night in Necas, Drury and Lindgren - with decent odds that Vesey also plays regularly.

The Avs have done the stacked top talent thing for a few playoffs and done exactly what you listed - its usually the deeper teams that win in the 3rd round.
 
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Drury_Sakic said:
The Avs are 100% better in a playoff series with Lindgren, Necas, Drury, and Vesey while only really giving up Rantanen that was an every day player. Parssinen and de Haan were nothing for the Avs, and adding Drury took Parker Kelly where he belongs in the lineup.

Lindgren is also going to be better than de Haan and/or Middleton. Plus he seems like a much more logical choice to play with Malinski or possibly Manson.

Avs lacked depth. In trading Rantanen they for sure got 3 players who will play every night in Necas, Drury and Lindgren - with decent odds that Vesey also plays regularly.

The Avs have done the stacked top talent thing for a few playoffs and done exactly what you listed - its usually the deeper teams that win in the 3rd round.
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I really hope youre right, just dont see it yet.
 
Barnaby said:
Lindgren is declining. However, his biggest problem is the Rangers asking him to be a first pairing defenseman. I'd assume Colorado isn't asking him to do that. Play him down the line up (ideally 3rd pair) and I do believe he will have success and can be a nice addition to a playoff team. Vesey is a capable, cheap, experienced depth forward.

From a Ranger standpoint, this is as much value as they were going to get. It also gives you some peace of mind that it doesn't appear that the Rangers will be adding just to try to slip into a playoff spot by the skin of their teeth.
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I doubt Vesey carried much value, and while I don't know much about Kempf, what I have read/heard doesn't sound like there's a ton of NHL potential.

I'm seeing it as:

Lindgren for a 2nd+a bottom-6 forward, which seems about right.
Vesey+Kempf for the 4th.
CDH coming back to alleviate salary, clear a contract for COL, and probably be the 7th D.

Essentially looks a bit underwhelming overall, but win-win. Like you said, probably as much value as possible. For a playoff team like Colorado, the depth could pay off, and the Rangers get assets for guys they were unlikely to bring back anyway.

I think Drury had the right idea on this one.
 
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benfranklin said:
I really hope youre right, just dont see it yet.
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I think they are. We know depth is always a massive part of the playoffs.

Vesey won't add a ton, but he's generally invisible, which is what you want with a guy in his role. It's not often something great happens, but bad things don't happen very much, either. He can play physically, and he's a veteran presence at this point. He knows his role.

Lindgren is a blue-collar guy. He's going to fight every battle, defend his teammates, lay down to block shots, PK...if his workload is lighter than it was here in NY, then I think you'll be happy with how he plays. He'll be a playoff warrior for Colorado.

Rantanen was great for Colorado, but my question was always if he would be as good away from MacKinnon. It's nothing against Rantanen, because he is a very good player, but MacKinnon is so good that he elevates everyone else.

With Necas essentially being the guy on his line in Carolina, I was suspecting that a lot of people were really sleeping on that trade. Maybe it is a matter of adjustment, and I think Rantanen is certainly better than his numbers have been, but I don't know if he'll ever be as impressive as he was in Colorado.

If the salary numbers were scaring Colorado, I think they turned it into an overall plus all around--saved a couple bucks and managed to bring in not just a younger player that looks to be of a similar caliber, but also additional depth with him.
 
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GirardSpinorama said:
Avs fans tend to be sad about most deadline deals. Ranger fans should be happy to get an asset but its waste a year of their best player's prime.
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Rangers don't even have any players who are worthy of saying they had the Rangers ruin a year of their prime, tbh. They pretty much all suck collectively.

Plus, this was known to be a waste year long before this deal. Fans are not gloating about jettisoning a bad player onto someone else, they are simply happy that the organization is starting to get rid of lot of the rotten core players who just aren't good enough instead of continuing to stick with them.

Maybe he turns out okay for you, as I said, that's an entirely different point and discussion.
 
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