Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[BrickNHL]

Can I also just add that it would be great to get some @henchman insight into this monstrosity of a move.

Hope everything is good with him.

Maybe he’s lurking around under a different name.

He tweeted about it

Thinks the Aves are a worse team now but also thinks more moves are coming.

 

[dmac7719]

Necas gonna be on the spitting chicklets episode tomorrow, that should be an interesting listen

Will have to wait till tomorrow to find out, but very likely it was an interview that was pre-recorded before the trade.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Will have to wait till tomorrow to find out, but very likely it was an interview that was pre-recorded before the trade.

I highly doubt it. Necas would be such a random special guest and absurd coincidence

 

[BrickNHL]

Will have to wait till tomorrow to find out, but very likely it was an interview that was pre-recorded before the trade.

That is what I was thinking too but would they still release it considering most people are tuning in for the trade talk?

 

[Avsfan1921]

It sounds like the basic framework of the Carolina deal was laid out during the offseason, but the offer wasn't compelling enough to accept at that time. Or maybe the front office thought they could net a similar return in season.

I have no idea whether this played into their approach, but it's possible the team also wanted to see how Mikko would look in a contract year and see whether his form would be closer to the line-driving impact he showed in 20-21 and 21-22. We don't need to rehash things, but I don't think it's a big secret that for whatever reason Mikko didn't come into the 23-24 season in the best playing shape. Whether it's $90 million or $100 million or whatever, you probably don't want to commit that amount of money to someone who isn't driven to win and might end up aging like Huberdeau

Yeah, I dunno. As @RoyIsALegend said, conversations never got serious in regards to a trade in the offseason and I personally don’t think Necas was ever put on the table until the last week or so when the canes decided to seriously pursue Rantanen.

I’m just having a hard time making sense of Lebrun saying that the Avs knew in the back of their head that they likely couldn’t afford to keep all three, while still offering fair contracts at this stage. If they know they can’t fit him, this was obvious all season and going back to last season. They couldn’t even activate the captain if they’d wanted to. You’d have to think if they thought it couldn’t work, they would look to trade him. Instead they got an offer they couldn’t refuse given the circumstances. Those are two vastly different reasons for trading a player.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

He tweeted about it

Thinks the Aves are a worse team now but also thinks more moves are coming.

Did he tweet about it before Sunday's game or after? Just curious.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

It's also a fact he didn't sign for 11.75M.

That's all I needed to know.

And to me it's also clear, they didn't counter this with 12mil or 12.25mil because the deal is probably done. The difference was bigger.

I'd be surprised if they let him go for 250-500k a season. Especially 250k.

 

[BrickNHL]

Did he tweet about it before Sunday's game or after? Just curious.

Before, I believe

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

According to insiders, the offers in the summer weren’t that great and talks never got serious. Even with the Hurricanes.

Once they were willing to put Necas on the table and made it clear they could pivot to Vancouver, CMac felt time was running out. They wouldn’t include Necas in a Vancouver deal but were willing to do that for Rantanen.

CMac has coveted Necas. Once he was included in the talks, it got serious. He wasn’t on the table in the summer.

Necas was on table for Pettersson, then Cmac probably pulled the trigger.

 

[Toothless Legend]

Mikko's comments don't change anything AFAIC. Not only are they filled with vagueness (what's market value? what's a significant discount?), but because we have no way of verifying their truth, they feel quite self-serving to make it seem like he didn't force CMac's hand. The best I can tell is $11.75m was the Avs line in the sand, and I don't think Mikko's camp came down below $13m. Even though we're only talking about $1.25m, every cent matters to this team, especially after locking up Blackwood. The Avs desperately need to mine contracts with excess value to maximize competitiveness and extend whatever window they still have, and Mikko at $13m or more isn't that.

A few things I'm also wondering...
-How did the org's shift in philosophy on goaltending affect the eagerness to retain Mikko? Not only the extra money now allocated to the position, but does CMac look at the goaltending and say, "now we don't need to score our way out of problems as much and can take a risk on downgrading the position?" Sure feels like an understated turning point which gave CMac more confidence that they could move on from Mikko if worse came to worst.
-While people are musing about how Mikko will perform away from Nate (I think the effect will be minimal, personally), I also wonder what his inevitable drop in icetime (I expect 1-2 min) will do to his numbers.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

And to me it's also clear, they didn't counter this with 12mil or 12.25mil because the deal is probably done. The difference was bigger.

I'd be surprised if they let him go for 250-500k a season. Especially 250k.

On the flip side, I'm kinda surprised the Mikko walked over 1M and has the balls to cry to the press about it.

Yes, Mikko knew this was coming. He might like to tell reporters it was a surprise, but you don't go f***ing around with your GM and not expect it. His agent probably should be fired but more importantly, Mikko is a bigger idiot than anyone suspected if he didn't think that was a very real possibility.

 

[dahrougem2]

On the flip side, I'm kinda surprised the Mikko walked over 1M and has the balls to cry to the press about it.

Yes, Mikko knew this was coming. He might like to tell reporters it was a surprise, but you don't go f***ing around with your GM and not expect it. His agent probably should be fired but more importantly, Mikko is a bigger idiot than anyone suspected if he didn't think that was a very real possibility.

Mikko probably thought the org valued him like Landeskog and MacKinnon and would do anything to keep him down to the last second giving him everything he asked for.

Can't have your cake and eat it, too, if you can't drive your own line big boi.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Personally, I'm looking forward to the inevitable "Bring Mikko Home" brigade from now until he retires

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Mikko probably thought the org valued him like Landeskog and MacKinnon and would do anything to keep him down to the last second giving him everything he asked for.

Can't have your cake and eat it, too, if you can't drive your own line big boi.

Again, that just makes Mikko a bigger idiot than most realized.

 

[Avs_19]

Friday evening, Rantanen was in his Boston hotel room, assuming he’d suit up with his Avalanche teammates and play the Bruins the next day. Then he got a call from Avalanche general manager Chris MacFarland, who asked him to come to his room.

“I had a sniff that something might be happening, but I only had a sniff because he called me, not before that,” the Finnish winger said. “I had no idea. It’s surprising, for sure.”

MacFarland and coach Jared Bednar were in the room when Rantanen arrived, and they all talked for 10 or 15 minutes. The player didn’t delve into specifics of the conversation, but he left knowing he was off to Carolina.

“I didn’t know we were in a rush,” he said. “That’s what I felt. That’s my honest opinion. …

“It’s business, and I understand. They’re trying to think what’s best for them.”

Rantanen got to say goodbye to some of his Avalanche teammates before leaving Boston. The evening of the trade, he met with the team’s Finnish players: Artturi Lehkonen, Joel Kiviranta, Juuso Parssinen and Jere Innala. He texted with Makar and chatted on the phone with MacKinnon, who told reporters Saturday he “never thought in a million years he’d leave.” Rantanen ran into several other teammates at breakfast the next morning, including Devon Toews, Miles Wood and Calvin de Haan.

“I’m going to call some other guys, too, here when the dust settles a little, probably next week,” he said.

“My rookie year we weren’t a winning team, but after that we made the playoffs every year,” he said. “To win it all with that organization is a dream come true. It’s a raw business, and you’re out of there.

“I’m very thankful for everyone in Colorado. The fans, the city and obviously players, coaches, staff.”

Good piece from old friend Peter Baugh. The "significant discount" part of Mikko's comments is getting a lot of play everywhere but he has been nothing but class is every comment I've seen. You have idiots like Andy Strickland spewing nonsense and that might be coming from the agency but Mikko himself all class. Should get a rousing ovation in his return to Denver and eventually his jersey retired.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Reading Mikko's thoughts are like a comedy. I didn't know we were in a rush? What the f*** dude? *LMAO* You're in the final year of your contract...you were in a rush last July to get it done. You wait until the new calendar year, you've basically told the GM you have no interest in sticking around. You're good with whatever. So Chris chose "whatever" and personally, I think the team is better today than it was with the Moose playing only partly inspired sometimes.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Personally, I'm looking forward to the inevitable "Bring Mikko Home" brigade from now until he retires

For sure. We can have Mikko back with double retention.

 

[Alienblood]

Reading Mikko's thoughts are like a comedy. I didn't know we were in a rush? What the f*** dude? *LMAO* You're in the final year of your contract...you were in a rush last July to get it done. You wait until the new calendar year, you've basically told the GM you have no interest in sticking around. You're good with whatever. So Chris chose "whatever" and personally, I think the team is better today than it was with the Moose playing only partly inspired sometimes.

He wasn't even the 3rd best in the team for me. Nuke is better and nore important to me.

Mikko turned into a point producing specialist and not much more.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

He wasn't even the 3rd best in the team for me. Nuke is better and nore important to me.

Mikko turned into a point producing specialist and not much more.

Nuke is maybe third best player or influential but Mikko was more reliable, so Mikko gets the edge easily. I'd argue Blackwood is more valuable at the current level though.

 

[the_fan]

Can I also just add that it would be great to get some @henchman insight into this monstrosity of a move.

Hope everything is good with him.

Maybe he’s lurking around under a different name.

I can go find him. All I need is his address, his full name, his height, weight, eye and hair color, shoe size, who he lives with, his bank accounts, his pets names, family history, history of his tax returns, and if he owns Avs jerseys, which ones so if i spot someone wearing it I can ID him.

 

[Alienblood]

Nuke is maybe third best player or influential but Mikko was more reliable, so Mikko gets the edge easily. I'd argue Blackwood is more valuable at the current level though.

Well now we get Nuke and Necas for 1 Mikko salary so it's a big win for me.

And yes I meant when Nuke is available

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Well now we get Nuke and Necas for 1 Mikko salary so it's a big win for me.

And yes I meant when Nuke is available

That's true. I def take Necas and Nuke over Mikko. That won't last long though because Necas will go for a big raise.

 

[Avs_19]

Val is an extremely important and valuable piece but also one of the most unreliable players in the entire league. He misses 20-30 games every single season and is a suspension waiting to happen. He's an absolute monster when in the lineup but I'd trade him tomorrow if a team was willing to take that chance.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Val is an extremely important and valuable piece but also one of the most unreliable players in the entire league. He misses 20-30 games every single season and is a suspension waiting to happen. He's an absolute monster when in the lineup but I'd trade him tomorrow if a team was willing to take that chance.

I don't care about regular season that much, but he left us twice during the playoffs. That's just.. okay we are done.

Regular season is way too long as it is. I can understand why they get bored.

 

[the_fan]

Val will have tons of value if Avs decided to trade him. Even with missing games and the suspension, there will be teams out there that would be willing to give up a lot to get Val.

Just my opinion