Speculation: Coaching Search - Part III: Dan Bylsma deal "imminent"
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cheesedanish87
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I don't know much about Mckee, i didn't even know he wanted to coach.
But i'd be pretty surprised if Granato wasn't one of his assistants, DB and Granato are close.
Well, I figure Tim Murray will really think hard about who he hires. It will be his first coaching hire. And likely the one that could get him fired if he fails.
With Babcock out of the way, Boucher, Bylsma, Deboer seem like the next level of candidates that have a solid NHL coaching track record.
A lot of people say "Richardson". But I'm wondering if Murray can even afford to go with an unproven NHL coach at this point.
With Babcock out of the way, Boucher, Bylsma, Deboer seem like the next level of candidates that have a solid NHL coaching track record.
A lot of people say "Richardson". But I'm wondering if Murray can even afford to go with an unproven NHL coach at this point.
I hope so. I really don't want a coach to be hired this week. Will be especially annoying if it's Bylsma sometime in the next 7 days because it will feel like we just went to the next big fish and didn't do our due diligence.
Regarding compensation, it is quite simple
The NHL has said that teams have the right to seek compensation for coaches and executives under contract.
There is no guaranteed 3rd round pick. In fact - there is no guarantee of anything at all.
Generally speaking - if a coach or executive on a team is still actively part of that organization - the team will seek some compensation if the coach or executive is going to be signed by another team. The two teams will have to agree on that compensation. In the case of Mike Babcock - the price was agreed to be a 3rd round pick. Remember that Babcock was still under contract, was the current head coach of the Red Wings AND the Red Wings were trying to retain his services.
In the case of a guy like Bylsma - the Pens relieved him of his duties. However, they are still paying $1 or 2 million or whatever he was supposed to be paid per his contract. He is not actively a part of their organization and is a pure financial liability. So, when a team like Buffalo comes a callin' - they usually will be happy to rid themselves of the salary. Once a fired coach who is still under contract gets hired by another team - the original team is off the hook.
Technically, they do have the right to seek compensation but the the team that is trying to sign Bylsma has the right to tell them to go pound sand and walk away. I suppose if Buffalo wanted Bylsma so badly they could possibly be coerced into a compensatory pick or even payment. In most cases, however, the team paying the fired coach will be happy to be relieved of the financial burden of paying a fired coach will be happy to just move on.
The NHL has said that teams have the right to seek compensation for coaches and executives under contract.
There is no guaranteed 3rd round pick. In fact - there is no guarantee of anything at all.
Generally speaking - if a coach or executive on a team is still actively part of that organization - the team will seek some compensation if the coach or executive is going to be signed by another team. The two teams will have to agree on that compensation. In the case of Mike Babcock - the price was agreed to be a 3rd round pick. Remember that Babcock was still under contract, was the current head coach of the Red Wings AND the Red Wings were trying to retain his services.
In the case of a guy like Bylsma - the Pens relieved him of his duties. However, they are still paying $1 or 2 million or whatever he was supposed to be paid per his contract. He is not actively a part of their organization and is a pure financial liability. So, when a team like Buffalo comes a callin' - they usually will be happy to rid themselves of the salary. Once a fired coach who is still under contract gets hired by another team - the original team is off the hook.
Technically, they do have the right to seek compensation but the the team that is trying to sign Bylsma has the right to tell them to go pound sand and walk away. I suppose if Buffalo wanted Bylsma so badly they could possibly be coerced into a compensatory pick or even payment. In most cases, however, the team paying the fired coach will be happy to be relieved of the financial burden of paying a fired coach will be happy to just move on.
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So when Murray was on the radio saying he has spoken to guys before and after Babcock he was lying and was just looking at pictures of Bylsma on the Internet?
Are you of the opinion that the only time Murray does anything is when it is tweeted about?
I think the exact opposite. I think he will hire whoever Pegula backs without a fight knowing that the odds are a new coach will be replacing them in a few years to get them to the next level, like every team does. Then not only does he get to make that call...it doesn't reflect on him anyway. Besides as long as the team is back in the playoffs in a few years Murray doesn't have anything to worry about in the slightest. He got to last like they wanted...when that results in success he easily gets another coach hire...
The structure of the United States government and the NHL league office are nothing alike.
And we weren't talking about "every decision"
Super clever response though.
Checks and balances. Bettman wants something done...he checks with Boston. Lol
The old NHL contract ends when the coach gets a new NHL job. If Bylsma lands the Buffalo job - he will be paid only by Buffalo and not by Buffalo and Pittsburgh.
CatsforReinhart
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And yet Fleury's playoff numbers under Therien and Johnston are significantly better than his under Blysma... But systems and coaching don't matter
1.97/.933/.700 - cup run with Therien
Then and bunch of garbage under Blysma... And then right back to:
2.12/.927/.800 - this year under Johnson
But hey... Let's not place consistently giving up high percentage scoring chances, while consistently NOT creating said chances on the coach, especially when his predecessor and successor had no where near as much trouble
and neither won a cup.
Sabretip
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McKee was an assistant under Rolston for 1 season in Rochester before being let go for philosophical differences - and was the assistant coach in Erie the past season. He still lives in Buffalo, IIRC.
Granato was one of Babcock's assistants in Detroit last season so one can assume he might be headed to Toronto to join him. He also apprenticed under Quenneville and has HC experience in 2 stints in Colorado - so he's an appealing option if Bylsma is in fact the eventual hire for Buffalo.
I've brought up many times he was looking before and during Babcock for other candidates. But if the team goes out and hires Bylsma a few days after interviewing him it would pretty annoying. Murray also said that the searches aren't very extensive at this point because of the scouting meetings so I'd say most of their non Babcock stuff hasn't been very intensive.
You don't think his job is safe once this team goes from intended basement to playoff team? They'll fire the next coach after an early exit like everyone else does. The GM doesn't get canned in those situations.
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JThorne
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Yes, McKee still lives in Buffalo. I'd see him rather often at the Tops on Niagara St downtown.
Harrington talks Buffalo's coaching search and Jack Eichel
5/25/2015 9:31 Mins
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Mike Harrington of the Buffalo News joins NHL Live to discuss the team's current search for a new head coach, and how Mike Babcock ended up in Toronto.
5-26: ADAM GRETZ OF CBS SAYS BYLSMA IS A GOOD COACH ON WGR (13:42)
5/25/2015 9:31 Mins
[nhl]825688[/nhl]
Mike Harrington of the Buffalo News joins NHL Live to discuss the team's current search for a new head coach, and how Mike Babcock ended up in Toronto.
5-26: ADAM GRETZ OF CBS SAYS BYLSMA IS A GOOD COACH ON WGR (13:42)
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Sabretip
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Kind of annoying rehash of Harrington's repeated blog rants - he made a big deal of the Sabres thinking they had a deal in principle and were "miffed" when Babcock rejected them, despite Murray's denial of such, and also pointed out that Babcock was "turned off by the many layers surrounding Pegula", even though Murray said that it was just him, the Pegulas and Babcock in negotiations.
He also threw in as if it he had some omniscient prediction that Babcock's wife not joining him on the trip to Buffalo was telling. According to all the reports, she also didn't tour Toronto with him.
Refreshing, objective analysis by a media member who was very familiar with Bylsma's time in Pittsburgh. Most of the criticisms on Bylsma seems to come from resentful Penguin fans that blame him for their team's failures - but media members seem to consistently praise Bylsma as a good coach.
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TalkingProuder
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So is Bylsma a good puck possession coach or not? I hear he upgraded Therrien's system, improved puck possession and won a cup. Then I hear he is a "dump and chase" coach from Pittsburgh fans and some sports writers.
Can someone help me out with this? Which is it?
Can someone help me out with this? Which is it?
joshjull
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He didn't change Therrien's system when he took over that year. It was the years after. It's pretty hard to change much in season.
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