Trade: [CLE/HOU] Deshaun Watson (signs 5 years, $230M) and 2024 5th for 2022, 2023, and 2024 1sts, 2023 3rd, 2024 4th

[93LEAFS]

I'm talking about the guaranteed money amount. Going 80 million above the previous record is a huge commitment and not necessarily the precedent other owners want in future labor and CBA negotiations.

We've already seen fully guaranteed deals, so they didn't really break an unwritten rule, if that rule was broken, it was broken in 2018 with Cousins. Cousins, Brady, and Rodgers's deals are also fully guaranteed. Hell, DeAndre Hopkins's current deal is written in such a way it is practically 100% guaranteed.

 

[DougieSmash]

While Watson is really good, I just don't think he's better than Burrow. Not to mention than healthy Ravens are better team. So, I guess this will be your typical era of Browns football. I don't expect much from them even with Deshaun.

 

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[Blackhawkswincup]

f***ing insane that extension

Didn't his most recent deal not even kick in yet?

 

[Troy McClure]

We've already seen fully guaranteed deals, so they didn't really break an unwritten rule, if that rule was broken, it was broken in 2018 with Cousins. Cousins, Brady, and Rodgers's deals are also fully guaranteed. Hell, DeAndre Hopkins's current deal is written in such a way it is practically 100% guaranteed.

Good QBs are pretty much getting guaranteed contacts going forward.

 

[Unholy Diver]

I'm talking about the guaranteed money amount. Going 80 million above the previous record is a huge commitment and not necessarily the precedent other owners want in future labor and CBA negotiations.

The contract and guarantees were always a part of it, the reason the Panthers were dropped from the list was their unwillingness to guarantee the 3rd & 4th years of the contract he already had

 

[BB88]

Sports showing again nothing but money matters

 

[TheAngryHank]

Road fans are going to have a field day with this dude ,the signs...happy endings..what he is going to hear on the side lines...protests..circus.

 

[StreetHawk]

Good QBs are pretty much getting guaranteed contacts going forward.

With future cap hits so high like Cousins at $45 mill this upcoming season until he restructured it and talks about Ryan doing the same, the QB can always get new money added into the contract to help the team kick future cap hits down the line.

Cousins just got another $35 mill guaranteed added onto his contract. So QBs will always get their money. A little surprised that money ended up being a big deciding factor for him.

 

[hatterson]

Good QBs are pretty much getting guaranteed contacts going forward.

Are they though? Rodgers is the only other one to get everything guaranteed and even in that it’s not fully guaranteed.

 

[Troy McClure]

Are they though? Rodgers is the only other one to get everything guaranteed and even in that it’s not fully guaranteed.

Kirk Cousins has his fully guaranteed. Brady's Tampa money has all been fully guaranteed.

And for the other QBs, if you look at them the percentage of the contracts that are fully guaranteed keeps going up and up. Stafford's new deal is mostly guaranteed.

We're heading in the direction of more contracts looking like this.

 

[hatterson]

Kirk Cousins has his fully guaranteed. Brady's Tampa money has all been fully guaranteed.

And for the other QBs, if you look at them the percentage of the contracts that are fully guaranteed keeps going up and up. Stafford's new deal is mostly guaranteed.

We're heading in the direction of more contracts looking like this.

Brady and Cousins are older QBs on very short (1 or 2 year deals). No one has signed a long term deal, especially a big money deal, that is fully guaranteed, especially not right at signing.

Generally the trend has been the longer the contract the less that’s guaranteed. The Watson contract broke that mould. 4 year deals for too guys (stafford, Prescott, Wilson) have had 75-80% guaranteed. 5 year deals (Carr, Garoppolo, Ryan) have had more in the range of 60-70% guaranteed.

Watson went to 5 years and also fully guaranteed it (versus a practical guarantee like “on the roster next year”). It’s very much an aberration of a contract

 

[hatterson]

So the Browns claim they did “extensive investigative, legal and reference work” as part of the Watson trade…but didn’t provide any details on that and also didn’t speak to any of the women accusing him of anything nor did they speak to the lawyer representing them. So I’m a tad skeptical of how extensive this work was.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

So the Browns claim they did “extensive investigative, legal and reference work” as part of the Watson trade…but didn’t provide any details on that and also didn’t speak to any of the women accusing him of anything nor did they speak to the lawyer representing them. So I’m a tad skeptical of how extensive this work was.

Maybe he just promised to stick to strippers and places where the rub-and-tug are clearly consensual(Plenty of sites offering that and more).

 

[Voight]

Sports showing again nothing but money matters

Correct. Look at Vick, he got a 2nd max contract after he was released from jail.

Especially when it comes to in demand positions like QB

 

[Troy McClure]

The final trade had a couple of tweaks.

 

[BB88]

Correct. Look at Vick, he got a 2nd max contract after he was released from jail.

Especially when it comes to in demand positions like QB

& this is their new franchise guy.

Would like to think there will be lots of booing

 

[John Price]

the amount of hot dogging and grand standing by "browns fans" over this is confusing

if memory serves me correct Watson was not convicted by a grand jury

so what is the problem here, why is there so much outrage from Browns faithful on this. The judicial system found him not guilty and the NFL has cleared him to play

 

[Dubi Doo]

Let's all hope this blows up in the Browns face.

 

[Voight]

the amount of hot dogging and grand standing by "browns fans" over this is confusing

if memory serves me correct Watson was not convicted by a grand jury

so what is the problem here, why is there so much outrage from Browns faithful on this. The judicial system found him not guilty and the NFL has cleared him to play

Society as a whole is happier to see someone fail than see someone succeed.

 

[John Price]

Society as a whole is happier to see someone fail than see someone succeed.

the legal system literally vindicated him of any harm which is why the NFL freed him up to be traded

the legal system works. And then people want to complain and root against him?

Oh well. The same with Vick too who served his time and then people still hated him. "HE MUST BE INCARCERATED FOR LIFE!"

 

[Troy McClure]

the legal system literally vindicated him of any harm which is why the NFL freed him up to be traded

the legal system works. And then people want to complain and root against him?

Oh well. The same with Vick too who served his time and then people still hated him. "HE MUST BE INCARCERATED FOR LIFE!"

No, the legal system didn't vindicate him. A grand jury decided not to press charges. We don't know why, but it's probably because every one of these situations had no recording and no other witness. These situations are very difficult to prosecute.

 

[GKJ]

Correct. Look at Vick, he got a 2nd max contract after he was released from jail.

Especially when it comes to in demand positions like QB

That was also Vick’s second contract after returning to the league, not first. His play, and work, got him that deal. Not because teams were tripping over each other to get him.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

No, the legal system didn't vindicate him. A grand jury decided not to press charges. We don't know why, but it's probably because every one of these situations had no recording and no other witness. These situations are very difficult to prosecute.

It's also why the restraining order(or other equivalent terms like protective order, peace order here in MD) exist. Because there are precisely situations where only testimony exist but not hard evidence. They are also "civil" cases but taken seriously in criminal events(don't want to get political, but I will mention Daunte Wright had a restraining order in his history).

Now, that doesn't mean restraining orders can't be used by parties in bad faith; likely many of the stories that make it to court are for other intended "business" reasons. But if the filing is granted, the system treats the testimony as fact.